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DaveNinja 05-12-04 11:17 AM


Originally posted by Tommy Ceez
Hell, If you asked me to call my G/F right now, without speed dial, I couldnt do it
What, you dont remember the prefix for Canada?
Booyah!

Michael Corvin 05-12-04 11:23 AM


Originally posted by Charlie Goose
Michelle looked so hot with that determined look on her face while trying to convince Saunders' henchman to release her.
I was thinking the same thing. That was a killer look.

One_hung_low 05-12-04 12:12 PM

Excellent episode!!!! Michelle is the stand out character for this season. The only problem I had with the ending was how CTU had no idea a helicopter was in the area. If the area was under satellite survellaince, why didn't somebody notice it and inform Jack. Still a cool ending with the planes!

Astro 05-12-04 02:15 PM

Why the hell did Jack order Michelle to surrender and go through with the transaction? She had a gun. Only two people were chasing her, one of them Saunders. The odds seemed better just having her handle things.

Dr. Rosenrosen 05-12-04 02:32 PM

Because then Jack wouldn't have had a reason to beat down on Tony yet again? And we'd miss the freaking F-18's?

Seriously, it would probably have been harder for Michelle to capture Saunders alive in that context. And I'm not sure she or anyone knew there were only 2 people chasing her.

IamFlip 05-12-04 03:43 PM


Originally posted by One_hung_low
Excellent episode!!!! Michelle is the stand out character for this season. The only problem I had with the ending was how CTU had no idea a helicopter was in the area. If the area was under satellite survellaince, why didn't somebody notice it and inform Jack. Still a cool ending with the planes!
CTU knows that the terrorists have a helicopter because they use it to blow MI6's office.

And they ask for Marines to provide a backup (mentioned when Chase is still in the CTU office) -- maybe incase the helicopter comes out. And nobody have the time to look at the satellite image of the area during the heat of the battle -- that's the reason why they didn't know the helicopter was there.

IamFlip 05-12-04 03:47 PM


Originally posted by Astro
Why the hell did Jack order Michelle to surrender and go through with the transaction? She had a gun. Only two people were chasing her, one of them Saunders. The odds seemed better just having her handle things.
Maybe Jack is afraid that Michelle might end up killing Saunders.

And by doing the exchange, they get to kill more terrorists and get rid of that helicopter.

Astro 05-12-04 04:18 PM


Originally posted by IamFlip
Maybe Jack is afraid that Michelle might end up killing Saunders.

And by doing the exchange, they get to kill more terrorists and get rid of that helicopter.

More afraid that Michelle would kill him than an F18 firing a missile at a helecopter he's three feet from? :)

I'm sure Michelle could have given them her location and sent in the special ops. She even had a cell phone. Can't CTU triangulate a position if she stayed on the line (assuming its not Chloe hanging up on her, heh)? Sorry, it just really bugged me that Jack went out of his way to risk Michelle's life.

The whole exchange was meant to free her, which she managed to do on her own. They were risking losing their leverage of Saunder's daughter, and Saunders wasn't even guaranteed to be there. Too many variables. Then again, maybe Jack isn't so sharp after what he's gone through today.

Boot 05-12-04 04:20 PM


Originally posted by Astro
Why the hell did Jack order Michelle to surrender and go through with the transaction? She had a gun. Only two people were chasing her, one of them Saunders. The odds seemed better just having her handle things.
More probably, it was because WE DON'T HAVE TIME!!!!

HN 05-12-04 04:35 PM


Originally posted by Boot
More probably, it was because WE DON'T HAVE TIME!!!!
and...and...WE DON'T HAVE A CHOICE!!!!

[Chloe]Whoever this is, you're getting really bad reception and I have a lot to do right now[/chloe] rotfl

Trelach24 05-12-04 05:50 PM

So how come Saunders takes all these measures to throw them off and make sure they can't trace him but then he just completely trusts that Tony won't bring in the entire national guard?

crankyman 05-13-04 07:04 AM

i'd like to open her socket:

http://www.24zone.nl/Personages/reiko_aylesworth.jpg

Bandoman 05-13-04 07:06 AM

Put it back in you pants, cranky, you're a married man now.

Cusm 05-13-04 10:47 AM


Originally posted by HN
[Chloe]Whoever this is, you're getting really bad reception and I have a lot to do right now[/chloe] rotfl

I loved this line. I am assuming that they have unlisted/private/confidentuial phone numbers, not like some yokel is just calling up to chat. Gee maybe it is one of the many field ops out in the field that is getting bad reception, maybe hanging up is not the right protocol to follow.

Buck Turgidson 05-13-04 05:10 PM

As funny as that line was, this has been a MAJOR stumbling block for me this year.

Ostensibly, CTU is the creme de la creme and yet this year we've got Kim the Spokesmodel and Adam and Chloe, who obviously ride the short bus to work each day.

Feneant 05-13-04 05:40 PM

Other than the Palmer bit, great episode, I wish they would just kill off Sherry or something.

hahn 05-13-04 06:15 PM


Originally posted by Feneant
Other than the Palmer bit, great episode, I wish they would just kill off Sherry or something.
That's why she's so great - everyone wants her to die.

Breakfast with Girls 05-13-04 06:45 PM


Originally posted by Buck Turgidson
Adam and Chloe obviously ride the short bus to work each day.
Adam seems like a good guy. Chloe is just annoying. But obviously both are written that way. In every office there's the instigator that sticks her nose in everyone's business.

Kal-El 05-14-04 03:15 PM


Originally posted by Achtung
I assume the jets were already in place, as a sort of "you got away last time, but not this time" response. It was pretty satisfying to see the helicopter get blown to bits.
They were already in the air "patrolling" as told by Palmer's assistant to him.

Jeremy517 05-14-04 04:00 PM

I'm not a Monkey, I'll just play one on the internet, since the real monkey appears to have been kidnapped, based on his posts in this thread :)

This episode had tons of silly moments (some already mentioned, naturally, since I was 2 days late in watching this episode). I enjoyed it, but I just can't ignore certain things, as much as I try.

- Jack radios in that Saunders in custody... while turning his back on Saunders, who isn't handcuffed or detained in any way.

- Saunders forgets to look around with binoculars (or with his eyes) when reaching the exchange site, thus not blowing the cover of the poorly hidden CTU folks

- Saunders, despite having his original hideout blown and despite being in building with Michelle with only one other person, somehow manages to bring 3 SUVs full of guys to the exchange site just minutes later

- Michelle calls Chloe instead of Tony, Jack, the janitor, the Pillsbury Dough Boy, Carrot Top, anyone else who might be a better choice (the 1-800-RETARDO joke was much better than my Dough Boy reference though :()

- Michelle forgets she has a gun when being chased. It was only 1 v 2 and she had the advantage of being able to hide and pick them off without being seen.

- Saunders finds the one escape route that no one was covering

I'm sure I'm forgetting some things, but those were the ones I could remember off the top of my head.

Chrisedge 05-14-04 04:28 PM

I hated this episode. "Let's give up Michelle, even though we still have his daughter."

Lame...Def. Jumped the Shark this year.

Buck Turgidson 05-14-04 11:09 PM


Originally posted by Jeremy517

- Jack radios in that Saunders in custody... while turning his back on Saunders, who isn't handcuffed or detained in any way.
I'm not positive, but didn't jack stand straddled over him, practically begging for a boot to the sac? If he did, this would be the first time they ever missed an exploitable cliche on this show.


- Michelle calls Chloe instead of Tony, Jack, the janitor, the Pillsbury Dough Boy, Carrot Top, anyone else who might be a better choice (the 1-800-RETARDO joke was much better than my Dough Boy reference though :()
Gracias. I thought of it an instant after I flung my shoe atthe screen...

Michael Corvin 05-15-04 12:01 PM


- Michelle forgets she has a gun when being chased. It was only 1 v 2 and she had the advantage of being able to hide and pick them off without being seen.
In defense of this, how would she know how many people Saunders has guarding the building? Which also brings me to:


- Saunders, despite having his original hideout blown and despite being in building with Michelle with only one other person, somehow manages to bring 3 SUVs full of guys to the exchange site just minutes later
It was a pretty big hideout. Like I've stated in numerous threads, Do they actually have to show EVERY little trite thing to advance the plot? No. He is the bad guy, he has dozens of guys working for him. If not, he isn't a very good bad guy. Had they ever shown the guys in the helicopter before? No. Damn 24! They didn't give us their backstory! You have to see them to know they are there? He had his right hand man on the floor with him and Michelle.

and:

- Saunders finds the one escape route that no one was covering
It looked like a pretty good drop. maybe 15-20 feet. Not an ideal escape route unless you want a broken leg.

lucasorion 05-16-04 11:10 AM

Could jack save Tony's ass by saying that it was a setup to get Saunders in a known place at a known time? Like "When Tony found out they had Michelle, he came to me and we arranged a phony breakout with Jane (had to make it look authentic because there might be a mole)" ?

johnglass 05-16-04 07:31 PM

They just played a preview for next weeks episode on Fox, with a pretty big, yet vague, spoiler:

Spoiler:
The tagline is "Two of these people won't survive the hour". The "people" shown are Jack, Saunders, Saunders daughter, Sherri and David Palmer, Tony, and Mrs. Milliken


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