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Red Dog 05-11-04 10:27 AM


Originally posted by Patman
I think Shii Ann would have voted for any female against Rob. I think the key was Lex's vote.

Shi-Ann already said she would have voted for Rob over Jenna. Shi-Ann couldn't stand Jenna.

Vonner 05-11-04 11:04 AM


Originally posted by iggystar
Please help me remember, when Rob asked his beyotch, I mean Lex, to save Amber when they merged had Lex saved Jeri wouldn't Rob's tribe been outnumbered?!
Potenially. Lex would have had himself, Kathy, Shii Ann, and Jerri while Rob would have had himself, Tom, Rupert, Jenna, and Alicia. It stood at 5-4 Rob. BUT, the theory is that Lex would have swayed his good buddy from Africa, Tom, to his side giving him the 5-4 advantage.

BDLOU 05-11-04 11:08 AM


Originally posted by Vonner
Potenially. Lex would have had himself, Kathy, Shii Ann, and Jerri while Rob would have had himself, Tom, Rupert, Jenna, and Alicia. It stood at 5-4 Rob. BUT, the theory is that Lex would have swayed his good body from Africa, Tom, to his side giving him the 5-4 advantage.
That is one bad typo.....Good body and Tom do not belong anywhere near the same sentence. Please fix this.....LOL

Patman 05-11-04 11:16 AM

We'll never know about Shii Ann, but given her eyeball-rolling, I still think she'd have a hard time voting for any non-female finalist because of the feminist streak I see in her. She may have said it now, but then, I dunno...

monkyskunk 05-11-04 11:26 AM


Originally posted by Red Dog

The only way Rob could have won was if Jenna won the final IC and took him. In that case, Amber would have certainly voted for Rob. I wonder if he thought about that and considered throwing the challenge.

Now that would have been some serious strategizing. I never thought of that angle for Rob to consider.

Vonner 05-11-04 11:27 AM


Originally posted by BDLOU
That is one bad typo.....Good body and Tom do not belong anywhere near the same sentence. Please fix this.....LOL
:lol:, your right. Fixed.

Roto 05-11-04 12:01 PM


Originally posted by Groucho
What's the deal with Rob C? They described him as the "most strategic player in Survivor history" and talked him up as he was some sort of Survivor God. I think I saw his season, but I don't remember him at all. What was so great about him? He obviously didn't even win, and in Survivor All-Stars all he did was sit around, whine, and dig in the wrong area.
The first time he was on he was making alliances with everyone and was making the calls for each little group he was in. Sorta like Johnny Fairplay but without making everyone hate him. I remember his comments to the camera were damn funny. He was very arrogant about how well he was playing the game, but self-depricating about anything else.

He got booted early in this one because they all knew not to trust him. I think he was trying to gain their trust by not making alliances too soon, but he was gone before he knew what hit him.

SunMonkey 05-11-04 12:25 PM

Yeah. Rob C played the game exactly like Boston Rob, only he was physically a wuss and had no chance at the girl. ;)

Red Dog 05-11-04 12:32 PM


Originally posted by SunMonkey
Yeah. Rob C played the game exactly like Boston Rob, only he was physically a wuss and had no chance at the girl. ;)

I think Boston Rob was a lot more ruthless than Rob C. Rob C was a shoo-in to win had he gone to the Amazon final - he backstabbed people without pissing them off. That is what made him a master at the political part of the game.

Patman 05-11-04 12:34 PM

Rob C was fun to watch, and if he had the physical game to win the crucial immunity challenges down the stretch, he had a great shot of winning the Amazon season of Survivor. The way alliances flip-flopped that season was a great roller coaster ride.

shoppingbear 05-11-04 02:56 PM


Originally posted by Vonner
Potenially. Lex would have had himself, Kathy, Shii Ann, and Jerri while Rob would have had himself, Tom, Rupert, Jenna, and Alicia. It stood at 5-4 Rob. BUT, the theory is that Lex would have swayed his good buddy from Africa, Tom, to his side giving him the 5-4 advantage.
Yeah, and IIRC, it was Lex's talking about this (sometime around when Rob went to Lex to say he was voting him out) that gave Rob the idea that Lex and Tom had an alliance, which he made several to-camera comments about, and asked Tom about at the Finale. Tom claimed (at the finale) that there never was such an alliance, but I got the impression from Lex that he was sure about Tom, way back when...

das Monkey 05-11-04 03:01 PM

Lex and Kathy have both admitted that Lex was in an alliance with Big Tom from before the game. Speculation is that Tom refuses to admit it in part because it was against the rules.

das

Groucho 05-11-04 03:03 PM

Tom never denied that he had a pre-game alliance with Lex...he just dodged the question.

shoppingbear 05-11-04 03:04 PM


Originally posted by das Monkey
Lex and Kathy have both admitted that Lex was in an alliance with Big Tom from before the game. Speculation is that Tom refuses to admit it in part because it was against the rules.

das

Against the rules, really? That's interesting... no alliances before they start?

cdollaz 05-11-04 03:16 PM


Originally posted by Patman
We'll never know about Shii Ann, but given her eyeball-rolling, I still think she'd have a hard time voting for any non-female finalist because of the feminist streak I see in her. She may have said it now, but then, I dunno...
I disagree totally. She hated Jenna. Thought she was worthless. And if she is a feminist, there is nothing that a feminist likes less than a woman that they consider pathetic. They love strong women, but have no respect for the opposite.

Big Boy Laroux 05-11-04 03:20 PM

ha ha, i loved how they asked if voting had been different if it was rob vs. jenna. Shi-ann said she would have changed her vote... jenna then blurts out "i would have won!"

then jeff says, "um, no you wouldn't have"

Patman 05-11-04 03:48 PM

Shii Ann hated a lot of people while on the jury.

This is all just idle speculation anyhoot.

cdollaz 05-11-04 03:49 PM


Originally posted by Patman
Shii Ann hated a lot of people while on the jury.


Actually I thought Shii-Ann was one of the better losers of the group.

Patman 05-11-04 03:52 PM

Well, Shii Ann had a sense of perspective about the game, but while on the jury through the last 2-3 tribal councils, her eyerolling got old fast.

suziq999 05-11-04 03:59 PM


Originally posted by cdollaz
I disagree totally. She hated Jenna. Thought she was worthless. And if she is a feminist, there is nothing that a feminist likes less than a woman that they consider pathetic. They love strong women, but have no respect for the opposite.
:up:

MrR0boto 05-11-04 04:12 PM

Yeah, if I had to rank the jury in terms of most crybabyish, Shii-Ann, as much as I did not like her this season, would not be near the top.

1) Lex
2) Big Tom
3) Alicia
4) Kathy
5) Shi-Ann
6) Jenna
7) Rupert

shoppingbear 05-11-04 04:43 PM


Originally posted by Groucho
Tom never denied that he had a pre-game alliance with Lex...he just dodged the question.
No, I'm pretty sure he said he "never had an alliance with anyone but Rob and Amber". He said "never", that seems like it includes anything from before the game.

RandyC 05-11-04 05:06 PM

Not quite. I believe he qualified his statement to indicate that since getting on the island. He admitted there might have been phone calls before hand. It caused me to realize that this is one thing very different about allstars.

They had some idea who the other players were before they started the actual game. Smart to call and make alliances.

RandyC 05-11-04 05:10 PM


Originally posted by das Monkey
That's such a tough call, though. You have to wonder if crying like that actually got him Kathy's vote.
I think that is a good point, but I do believe that Kathy would have voted for him, no matter what. She could also be swayed based on "who played a better game" arguement. She is indeed a sucker as she admitted and she loved him, as she also admitted.

das Monkey 05-11-04 05:11 PM

The conversation was something like this:

Rob: Did you have an alliance with Lex before the game started?
Tom*: I had an alliance with you and Amber!
Rob: Did you have an alliance with Lex before the game started?
Tom: I never broke my alliance with you and Amber!
Rob: Did you have an alliance with Lex before the game started?
Tom: I don't have to answer to you!

das

* Tom's comments translated from bumpkin to English


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