[Superman Mythos]
03-16-04, 10:23 AM
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[Superman Mythos]
I would like to make a semi comprehensive list of (changes/additions/yet to come) pieces
in the Superman Mythology that Smallville has touched on or will touch on.
One easy thing would be his powers.
Flight obviously doesn't seem like it will be used in this show.
His freeze breath is another power I don't beleive he has used yet.
What else?
Anything else that the avid readers of the comics could share.
About his powers, the characters or things that
have/will/should happen. I know some such things
have been discussed in previous threads, I was just looking
to get them in one place and see what the different incarnations
of the comic books, movies, Lois and Clark and now Smallville keep
static or change in the whole scheme
of the Superman universe.
in the Superman Mythology that Smallville has touched on or will touch on.
One easy thing would be his powers.
Flight obviously doesn't seem like it will be used in this show.
His freeze breath is another power I don't beleive he has used yet.
What else?
Anything else that the avid readers of the comics could share.
About his powers, the characters or things that
have/will/should happen. I know some such things
have been discussed in previous threads, I was just looking
to get them in one place and see what the different incarnations
of the comic books, movies, Lois and Clark and now Smallville keep
static or change in the whole scheme
of the Superman universe.
03-16-04, 11:36 AM
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In the movies, Jonathan (the dad) dies, sparking Clark to leave and ultimately go to Fortress of Solitude to become Superman.
In Lois & Clark, Jonathan was alive and well.
I have no idea what happened to him in the comics.
In Lois & Clark, Jonathan was alive and well.
I have no idea what happened to him in the comics.
03-16-04, 11:48 AM
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On Smallville, Clark hasn't turned back time yet. 
So far I think they've shown laser vision, xray vision, superhearing, superspeed, superstrength, superjump, superdurability, and problems with kryptonite.
So far I think they've shown laser vision, xray vision, superhearing, superspeed, superstrength, superjump, superdurability, and problems with kryptonite.
03-16-04, 03:23 PM
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I don't watch Smallville, but I am a Superman geek. It's going to be hard to do this, a little. Without getting into too many technicalities, there was a major revision of Superman in 1985, in which a whole bunch of things were changed wholesale and the comic character, essentially rebooted, so that continuity was started from the beginning again.
This is not to mention that before then, and even now on a possibly lesser scale, minor tweaking was made to the character along the way as different writers gently changed things. For instance, it was strongly implied when the character first showed up that he had started his career as an adult in Metropolis (which was itself unnamed for awhile, and was actually Cleveland in at least one issue, if I remember correctly). Then, in the 40's, it was decided that Superman was actually active as a boy, named "Superboy" in a town called Smallville.
Take Jonathan Kent as another example already mentioned. Pre-1985, both of Superman's parents died before he became Superman. However, in the revision of the character, it was decided that Superman should have both parents living. In addition, in the rebooted continuity, Superman was never Superboy.
So when you talk about plot threads that have or may happen, we have different continuities we can look at.
I realize, reading your question again, that you probably don't care about any of this and doesn't even address your question, but I enjoyed geeking out for a few minutes, and decided to post this anyway. Enjoy!!?!
This is not to mention that before then, and even now on a possibly lesser scale, minor tweaking was made to the character along the way as different writers gently changed things. For instance, it was strongly implied when the character first showed up that he had started his career as an adult in Metropolis (which was itself unnamed for awhile, and was actually Cleveland in at least one issue, if I remember correctly). Then, in the 40's, it was decided that Superman was actually active as a boy, named "Superboy" in a town called Smallville.
Take Jonathan Kent as another example already mentioned. Pre-1985, both of Superman's parents died before he became Superman. However, in the revision of the character, it was decided that Superman should have both parents living. In addition, in the rebooted continuity, Superman was never Superboy.
So when you talk about plot threads that have or may happen, we have different continuities we can look at.
I realize, reading your question again, that you probably don't care about any of this and doesn't even address your question, but I enjoyed geeking out for a few minutes, and decided to post this anyway. Enjoy!!?!
03-16-04, 05:33 PM
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In the comics, Pete is white instead of invisible. 
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03-16-04, 09:14 PM
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Originally posted by Laertes
I don't watch Smallville, but I am a Superman geek. It's going to be hard to do this, a little. Without getting into too many technicalities, there was a major revision of Superman in 1985, in which a whole bunch of things were changed wholesale and the comic character, essentially rebooted, so that continuity was started from the beginning again.
This is not to mention that before then, and even now on a possibly lesser scale, minor tweaking was made to the character along the way as different writers gently changed things. For instance, it was strongly implied when the character first showed up that he had started his career as an adult in Metropolis (which was itself unnamed for awhile, and was actually Cleveland in at least one issue, if I remember correctly). Then, in the 40's, it was decided that Superman was actually active as a boy, named "Superboy" in a town called Smallville.
Take Jonathan Kent as another example already mentioned. Pre-1985, both of Superman's parents died before he became Superman. However, in the revision of the character, it was decided that Superman should have both parents living. In addition, in the rebooted continuity, Superman was never Superboy.
So when you talk about plot threads that have or may happen, we have different continuities we can look at.
I realize, reading your question again, that you probably don't care about any of this and doesn't even address your question, but I enjoyed geeking out for a few minutes, and decided to post this anyway. Enjoy!!?!
I don't watch Smallville, but I am a Superman geek. It's going to be hard to do this, a little. Without getting into too many technicalities, there was a major revision of Superman in 1985, in which a whole bunch of things were changed wholesale and the comic character, essentially rebooted, so that continuity was started from the beginning again.
This is not to mention that before then, and even now on a possibly lesser scale, minor tweaking was made to the character along the way as different writers gently changed things. For instance, it was strongly implied when the character first showed up that he had started his career as an adult in Metropolis (which was itself unnamed for awhile, and was actually Cleveland in at least one issue, if I remember correctly). Then, in the 40's, it was decided that Superman was actually active as a boy, named "Superboy" in a town called Smallville.
Take Jonathan Kent as another example already mentioned. Pre-1985, both of Superman's parents died before he became Superman. However, in the revision of the character, it was decided that Superman should have both parents living. In addition, in the rebooted continuity, Superman was never Superboy.
So when you talk about plot threads that have or may happen, we have different continuities we can look at.
I realize, reading your question again, that you probably don't care about any of this and doesn't even address your question, but I enjoyed geeking out for a few minutes, and decided to post this anyway. Enjoy!!?!
No...uhhh...that was...great. Geeking out is cool, every now and again...
Seriously though, that is what I am trying to sort out, in a way. What happened where and what is common for the different incarnations and what is totally out of left field.
I guess the retooling that Smallville is doing is not that big of a deal for the most part, but it still has some of the more drastic changes of any Superman story out there IMO
03-17-04, 08:40 AM
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Another thing, since someone mentioned Pete Ross, in the pre-1985 continuity, in which Clark was Superboy in Smallville, while on a camping trip, Pete Ross saw Clark change into Superboy. Pete never told Clark what he saw and that he knew, and instead helped him by creating excuses or distractions whenever Clark needed to change into Superboy to avert a disaster.
Yes, Pete is white in the comic book, but I kind of like him being a person of colour now. And, even though I don't watch "Smallville," I understand Clark told Pete about his powers, so I thought that was nice echo of the pre-1985 continuity.
If I remember correctly, and I haven't read a regular Superman comic in about 9 years, in the post-1985 continuity (in which Superman was never Superboy while in Smallville), Pete and Lana end up married.
In a weird plot turn, Lex Luthor becomes president of the USA, and IIRC, Pete Ross is his VP.
Another thing, since someone mentioned Pete Ross, in the pre-1985 continuity, in which Clark was Superboy in Smallville, while on a camping trip, Pete Ross saw Clark change into Superboy. Pete never told Clark what he saw and that he knew, and instead helped him by creating excuses or distractions whenever Clark needed to change into Superboy to avert a disaster.
Yes, Pete is white in the comic book, but I kind of like him being a person of colour now. And, even though I don't watch "Smallville," I understand Clark told Pete about his powers, so I thought that was nice echo of the pre-1985 continuity.
If I remember correctly, and I haven't read a regular Superman comic in about 9 years, in the post-1985 continuity (in which Superman was never Superboy while in Smallville), Pete and Lana end up married.
In a weird plot turn, Lex Luthor becomes president of the USA, and IIRC, Pete Ross is his VP.
03-17-04, 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by Laertes
In a weird plot turn, Lex Luthor becomes president of the USA, and IIRC, Pete Ross is his VP.
In a weird plot turn, Lex Luthor becomes president of the USA, and IIRC, Pete Ross is his VP.
03-17-04, 04:15 PM
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The original Superman(30's) didn't fly...he leaped. Hence the "leaps tall buildings in a single bound" right?
I thought I heard that somewhere....
I thought I heard that somewhere....
03-17-04, 04:21 PM
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The original Superman(30's) didn't fly...he leaped. Hence the "leaps tall buildings in a single bound" right?
I thought I heard that somewhere....
The original Superman(30's) didn't fly...he leaped. Hence the "leaps tall buildings in a single bound" right?
I thought I heard that somewhere....
Originally he was able to leap 1/8 of a mile, run faster than a locomotive and nothing less than a bursting shell (something like that) could penetrate his skin. By the time of the revision of 1985, he had become able to fly fast enough to travel through time, strong enough to juggle planets, etc. DC Comics, by 1985, had come to think he was too powerful to be interesting, so his powers were taken down a peg for the re-boot. I hear that his power levels have been slowly creeping up in the years since then, however.
03-17-04, 04:58 PM
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Originally posted by Laertes
Yes, that's true. He gradually started to be able to fly. That's the slight tweaking I was talking about. There was no specific instant where they seemed to decide he could fly, it just gradually started to happen....
Yes, that's true. He gradually started to be able to fly. That's the slight tweaking I was talking about. There was no specific instant where they seemed to decide he could fly, it just gradually started to happen....
03-17-04, 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by RaMMaR
Wasn't it explained as a limited form of telekinesis?
Wasn't it explained as a limited form of telekinesis?
03-17-04, 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by Laertes
Yes, that's true. He gradually started to be able to fly. That's the slight tweaking I was talking about. There was no specific instant where they seemed to decide he could fly, it just gradually started to happen.
Originally he was able to leap 1/8 of a mile, run faster than a locomotive and nothing less than a bursting shell (something like that) could penetrate his skin. By the time of the revision of 1985, he had become able to fly fast enough to travel through time, strong enough to juggle planets, etc. DC Comics, by 1985, had come to think he was too powerful to be interesting, so his powers were taken down a peg for the re-boot. I hear that his power levels have been slowly creeping up in the years since then, however.
Yes, that's true. He gradually started to be able to fly. That's the slight tweaking I was talking about. There was no specific instant where they seemed to decide he could fly, it just gradually started to happen.
Originally he was able to leap 1/8 of a mile, run faster than a locomotive and nothing less than a bursting shell (something like that) could penetrate his skin. By the time of the revision of 1985, he had become able to fly fast enough to travel through time, strong enough to juggle planets, etc. DC Comics, by 1985, had come to think he was too powerful to be interesting, so his powers were taken down a peg for the re-boot. I hear that his power levels have been slowly creeping up in the years since then, however.
Yeah DC did get wild with his powers by the time of the Crisis. But to be honest I've always thought of DC heroes as Gods anyway. Not simple mutants.
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Still waiting for the show to introduce:
Bizarro (about the same age as Superman from an alternate universe)
Mixylplyk (spelling may be incorrect)
Even another Superman in another timeline entering the show briefly
Bizarro (about the same age as Superman from an alternate universe)
Mixylplyk (spelling may be incorrect)
Even another Superman in another timeline entering the show briefly
