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Old 03-05-04 | 03:07 PM
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The guy that got the boot the first night: We never really got know anything about him.

I think next season the first week should commence with no firings to let us get to know the the characters a bit more.
Old 03-05-04 | 03:43 PM
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No one has pointed out that after the men losing the first 4 challenges, that the last 5 ppl to be fired have all been the women.

The men are definitely far more loyal to each other. Kwame & Troy are butt buddies. Puttin' Heidi & Omarosa in the same 2-some was stupid of Kwame cuz they were inevitably gonna fight. Or maybe he was plannin' on losin' and knew that Omarosa would be a complete moron with Heidi and that would get her booted off.

Also, Trump is on Nick's nuts. 2 times Nick should've been fired (Planet Hollywood and last week sellin' water) but he kept him around. He probably sees a lot of himself in Nick.

And to the person who said that 10 minutes thing was the worst reward, I disagree. I think it was the best reward for Nick cuz it gave him a lil time to stroke Donald's ego which made him like Nick even more than before.
Old 03-05-04 | 03:49 PM
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We only saw about 30 seconds of the 10 minute "meeting." It cut off as Trump was taking Nick into the bedroom. I'm guessing that it wasn't just Trump's ego that got stroked.
Old 03-05-04 | 03:56 PM
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So glad to see Omarosa get fired. I think that was one of the most intense and satisfying board room event yet. My heart started to race when Omarosa barged into the board room with Donald saying something like "I didn't ask you to come in yet."
I was wondering why Heidi and Kwame followed her. They just walked in with her and sat down.
Old 03-05-04 | 04:12 PM
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They wanted to see the Donald chew Ponderosa's ass out.
Old 03-05-04 | 04:25 PM
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I thought the "weird" artists work weren't really paintings. I thought she said she took digital prints of objects and arranged them into a piece? The work looked way to realistic to be paintings. I think they were a bunch of photoshopped artwork. Who would want to pay $4,000 dollars for that? Please correct me if I am wrong.
Old 03-05-04 | 04:26 PM
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This morning on MSNBC they showed a clip of Omarosa's appearance on the Today Show that aired earlier. She was just as arrogant as ever! Apparently all reality shows portray black women as having an attitude, etc. so I guess it was all in the editing. What a load of *&%(!!! She still contends she is the best, most intelligent person of the cast and that the best person for the CEO position (I thought it was a President position??) will NOT win.

Sounds like sour grapes!
Old 03-05-04 | 04:32 PM
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What was that art piece Heidi thaught was for the bathroom and it was for the fireplace??..That was pretty funny

Someone please explain Trump's hair???..It looks awful. You'd figure with all his money he could pay for some kind of decent transplant a la Elton John
Old 03-05-04 | 04:56 PM
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Either he thinks his hair looks good or he doesn't care.
Old 03-05-04 | 05:56 PM
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Trump has enough money that people dont care about his hair. And to the guy that said that Nick should have been fired twice, no chance. Erika was a fool during the water sale show. And the planet hollywood show he was right on to object to selling autographs of Kwame Jackson. That was pretty unethical.
Old 03-05-04 | 07:21 PM
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...And the planet hollywood show he was right on to object to selling autographs of Kwame Jackson. That was pretty unethical.
You're right. The more I thought about it, the less I was upset about his checking out of that game and agreed with him. What was worst is the thing that was unsaid : namely that this ploy was all about race. If Troy or Bill were signing autographs, nobody would have thought twice. It was sleazy and wrong.
I wonder why nobody ever tried a "Come appear on a Network Reality Show" come-on?
Old 03-05-04 | 11:56 PM
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Between the psycho and the guy who incorporates toenail clippings into his work, the two choices should have been obvious.
I don't think it would've made much of a difference, because between the psycho artist and the toenail clipping, DNA-brushing painter, I think Protege was doomed from the start. While on the other side, Versacorp got to select between the two, by far, best artists (the colorful painter Nick chose and the photo re-painter artist) on this show, both of whom would sell fairly easily, so they really couldn't lose this challenge.

I think it may have been a rigged challenge to ensure that Protege - and the despised Omarosa - would be called into the boardroom.
Old 03-06-04 | 12:58 AM
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Originally posted by dhmac
I don't think it would've made much of a difference, because between the psycho artist and the toenail clipping, DNA-brushing painter, I think Protege was doomed from the start. While on the other side, Versacorp got to select between the two, by far, best artists (the colorful painter Nick chose and the photo re-painter artist) on this show, both of whom would sell fairly easily, so they really couldn't lose this challenge.
I was thinking about this too. There's no way you can get old money to buy loads of the gimmicky gene-art, or decapitated children. On the other hand, Versacorp's abstract artist was very high class and I could see any of his works on the walls of rich new yorkers. Their other choice, while she wasn't traditional, still had very attractive and classy art.

They might have also done this to balance out for the unfairness of the apartment project (lady signed a 1500 contract only because she knew she was going to pay less...)
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Protege could have picked the girl who did pop art from photos from her own life.
Old 03-06-04 | 07:31 AM
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Protege could have picked the girl who did pop art from photos from her own life.
No, they couldn't. Each team was assigned two artists to chose from and that particular artist was assigned to Versacorp.
Old 03-06-04 | 09:01 AM
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dhmac, you are wrong. I have watched it twice and I'm sure of this. Protege could have chosen Leah (snapshot painter). They discussed it before choosing Meghan and mentioned it again in the boardroom. Both teams had all 4 artists to choose from. I don't know how the situation would have been handled if both teams chose the same artist.
Old 03-06-04 | 09:43 AM
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Then they'd send in Troy to convince Katrina which artist her team wanted and then Troy would go for that artist.
Old 03-06-04 | 09:43 AM
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dhmac, you are wrong. I have watched it twice and I'm sure of this. Protege could have chosen Leah (snapshot painter). They discussed it before choosing Meghan and mentioned it again in the boardroom. Both teams had all 4 artists to choose from. I don't know how the situation would have been handled if both teams chose the same artist.
If that's the case, why did they show each team only visiting two of the artists? Were the extra visits edited out?

Then that would mean Protege really did majorly screw up, because the snapshot painter's art was very easy to like and would have sold quite well.
Old 03-06-04 | 09:47 AM
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Duh, thus the colossal blunder by Kwame and kompany to pick the photoshop artist from hell.

Old 03-06-04 | 09:49 AM
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This morning on MSNBC they showed a clip of Omarosa's appearance on the Today Show that aired earlier. She was just as arrogant as ever! Apparently all reality shows portray black women as having an attitude, etc. so I guess it was all in the editing.
I saw an interview with another contestant (can't remember which one) and they asked "Is Omarosa as bad as the editing makes her appear?"

The contestant said "No, no...not at all, She's much worse than that!"
Old 03-06-04 | 02:42 PM
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And to the guy that said that Nick should have been fired twice, no chance. Erika was a fool during the water sale show. And the planet hollywood show he was right on to object to selling autographs of Kwame Jackson. That was pretty unethical.
During the Trump Ice episode, Erika got wrattled, but Nick was stupid in many aspects (#1 he chose not to research his client...that's the same mistake that Project Mgr made on the guy's team when they were makin' the campaign ad for that airline service). He was terrible at sellin' the product cuz of that. "Uhh, we want you to take a truck. (awkward silence) How bout a pallat? (awkward silence) How bout a case then?" What a herb. Then in the board room, he was good at lyin' cuz he said that he researched the company when he 99% probably didn't.

Durin' the Planet Hollywood episode, even if he didn't agree with what Troy & Kwame did, then he shouldn't have completely checked out. Him sulkin', esp. when the guys were down a few ppl already, wasn't helpin' their team win. You can disagree with your leader, but in the end you still have to be a team player and can't check out when things don't go your way.
Old 03-06-04 | 04:23 PM
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While I agree with your assessment of Nick's mistakes, both times there was someone who should have been fired more. Nick's made some mistakes, but he still has the potential to perform the tasks at hand. Erika didn't have a prayer. She was just too emotional. Regardless of how well she can perform at some tasks, she'd get eaten alive as the President of one of Trump's companies. She was cute and all, but it was really time for her to go. As for the Planet Hollywood episode, I agree that Nick's complete checkout was really bad, and it's the big black mark on him from my perspective; however, Bowie (was it Bowie that week?) was infinitely more useless. He was going nowhere fast.

In both cases, Nick's mistakes were "trumped" (rimshot) by people worse than him.

In the end, the thing that I think some people forget is that this isn't a competition to win tasks as much as it's a job interview for a position as President of a company. While each of the people on this show has some good skills and may be succeeding at some of the tasks, the firing decisions seem to be made based on leadership ability and potential more than task-specific performance. He's shown clear favortism to those who stand up for themselves and aren't afraid to make tough decisions (even if they're horribly wrong). Keep in mind that he's not hiring for a salesperson position.

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Old 03-07-04 | 07:28 AM
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both times there was someone who should have been fired more.
That pretty much sums up this show. Who can fly under the radar and/or screw up the least.

I wouldn't hire any of these people to mow my lawn.

Well... Maybe Katrina.
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Protege could have chosen Leah (snapshot painter). They discussed it before choosing Meghan and mentioned it again in the boardroom. Both teams had all 4 artists to choose from. I don't know how the situation would have been handled if both teams chose the same artist.
From the Weekly Dossier at NBC.com:
1. Teams will meet with six artists and determine which one they would like to represent at an art gallery show tomorrow evening.

2. If both teams select the same artist, that artist will decide which team he or she would like to have represent them.
Interesting that there were 2 artists we were never shown. Also, it would be interesting to know why Protege chose not to pick Andrei. Or did they want him but he preferred Versacorp?
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Whoa, they saw all of them!?

Then yeah, that was just a stupid decision by Kwame.


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