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Old 01-30-04 | 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by Jadzia
Why does it seem that liberals can laugh at jokes about Dems, but conservatives get so upset over Bush jokes?
For the same reason conservatives' complaints got CBS to move "The Reagans" to Showtime, while liberals didn't really care about the numerous movies and miniseries portraying the Kennedys as less than perfect people.

Its just comedy, people. Stewart will crack jokes at whomever gets him more laughs. If you want comedy skewed toward the right-wing, just turn on Fox News at any time.
Old 01-30-04 | 11:03 AM
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No one remembers the Clinton and Al Gore jokes?

What's wrong with Jon Stewart showing his "preferences?" It's an entertainment show. There are no questions of liberal media or journalistic integrity. The man is a comedian.
Comedians don't interview authors of books on Jimmy Carter or whatever do they? I just wish they would go back to their old format of stupid news storys and then interview some dumbass that drove his car off a bridge then have some actor on talking about his next movie. Not this discuss politics for 30 mins BS. Is that too much to ask?
Old 01-30-04 | 11:05 AM
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The thing I have noticed lately is that Stewart seems a little more bitter about politics than usual. Sometimes when he cracks a joke about the actions of elected officials it seems like he can barely contain his contempt. However it can't be denied that he rips into both sides pretty equally. I actually like when he has political officials on rather than celebrities because I think most celebrities are not funny at all, and can be rather annoying minus a select few. At least when he has someone politically oriented on I get to hear opposing viewpoints. I also find it ridiculous to say he only has liberals on to interview because I always seem to see conservative people on there.
Old 01-30-04 | 11:07 AM
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Not this discuss politics for 30 mins BS. Is that too much to ask?
During an election year: yep.
Old 01-30-04 | 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by Draven
What's wrong with Jon Stewart showing his "preferences?" It's an entertainment show. There are no questions of liberal media or journalistic integrity. The man is a comedian.
When his preferences and ideology seeps into the content of the show, it has nothing to do with "entertainment" or "comedy"... it's politics.

Which is what I think the original poster was lamenting... he liked the Daily Show, and he liked the political humor, but he didn't like the serious political commentary (in any amount) in a comedy show.

Now I'm waiting for another loudmouthed follow up from somebody else about "why conservatives want to quiet everything", as if liberals have never expressed complaints or gripes about the content of programming.
Old 01-30-04 | 11:13 AM
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But they are trying hard to be a real news show with every freaking night being overun with election coverage. I'd rather have them make fun of some idiot that sells some stupid toy than what Howard Dean or George Bush did for the day. If I want to know that I'll watch the real news.
You're making the same mistake that Julia Stiles (I think) made earlier this week -- this is The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, not The Daily SHow with Craig Kilbourn. They're not about making fun of some hick in Nebraska who's got an ear of corn that looks like Grover Cleveland's head. They're about making fun of current events and the media's coverage of those events.
Old 01-30-04 | 11:16 AM
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Odd that I don't see you complaining about the right-wing politics on the "Dennis Miller Show."
Thank you
Miller also already stated that he will not make fun of Bush at all on his show...that seems biased to me somehow, no?

Originally posted by Mopower
Then why have a political guest or some author of a political book on every night and then have them on for 2 segments or half the show??
Because the show's always been political since Stewart took over.

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If I want to know that I'll watch the real news.
So, do that then.

Originally posted by nny
I don't have a problem with them making fun of anybody, but I think Stewart has taken it to the next level of criticizing the republicans, without making a joke, in the interviews. I don't have a problem with Stewart stating his opinions. I guess it's just that he's been on the air for years and I don't remember him ever doing this before. I guess I just always assumed he was more in the middle.
He criticizes all of them. He ripped into Joe Lieberman for about 15 min straight...then Howard Dean, then John Kerry...You're only listening to the Bush jokes to find something offensive.

Originally posted by nny
One other thing I forgot to mention is that the serious guests tend to get longer interviews often 2 segments which cuts down on the comedy. So when half the show is Stewart interviewing some boring liberal, it's NOT SATIRE.
It's much better this way. You can see that Stewart is passionate about politics...and he's terrible when there's some celebrity on there...I much prefer the political guests.

And how is it a boring liberal that in the past week he had on
Republican Christie Whitman, Republican Senator John McCain, and a Republican politician who wrote a book about fighting terrorism.
He doesn't attack them, he asks questions that are on people's minds and are pertinent to the discussion. If they can't answer them and you feel that they're being attacked....that's your problem.
Old 01-30-04 | 11:19 AM
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I actually prefer having a guest that I may not know come on and talk about some world events rather than some boring celebrity come on in order to plug their new movie. Stewart said after 9/11 he was going to make a concerted effort to book more serious guests in order to talk about world issues. I find it enlightening. Stewart regularly has guests on that havedifferent viewpoints. In fact, I think most of guests usually seem conservative. He rarely has people coming on complaining about Bush.

Just this past week he had Richard Perle on and that was a good discussion. Stewart did not attack him, but did ask some thoughtful questions in a light-hearted way.
Old 01-30-04 | 11:26 AM
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Comedians don't interview authors of books on Jimmy Carter or whatever do they? I just wish they would go back to their old format of stupid news storys and then interview some dumbass that drove his car off a bridge then have some actor on talking about his next movie. Not this discuss politics for 30 mins BS. Is that too much to ask?
I just need to know what show you've been watching.

The Daily Show hasn't been like that for years.
Old 01-30-04 | 11:27 AM
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And how is it a boring liberal that in the past week he had on
Republican Christie Whitman, Republican Senator John McCain, and a Republican politician who wrote a book about fighting terrorism.
That was not just any Republican politician -- that was former Deputy Secretary of Defense Richard Perle, one of the chief architects of Bush's preemption strategy.
Old 01-30-04 | 11:31 AM
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That was not just any Republican politician -- that was former Deputy Secretary of Defense Richard Perle, one of the chief architects of Bush's preemption strategy.
I knew he was important....I just couldn't remember who he was! Thanks!
Old 01-30-04 | 12:09 PM
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I aslo noticed that Emeril Live is getting a little too liberal... just stick to the cooking!.

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Old 01-30-04 | 12:11 PM
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I don't know what show the OP has been watching, but it's obvious that a little selective memory is at play here....Dean has gotten hammered just as much, if not moreso than Bush in the last month. And it's not as if Bush isn't providing tons of material free of charge I'll take Stewarts intelligent satire of both sides over Miller's blatantly partisan crap any day of the week. "I'm giving Bush a pass, i like the guy"! wow, Dennis, how edgy.

Perhaps those who have a problem with it are finding that the satire hits a little too close to home? I'm constantly amazed at how well Stewart (and his writers) are able to boil things down to their essence....each and every night offers sheer brilliance absent from 99% of the airwaves.
Old 01-30-04 | 12:14 PM
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Originally posted by Jaymole
I aslo noticed that Emerl Live is getting a little too liberal... just stick to the cooking!.
Old 01-30-04 | 01:00 PM
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Hey, here's an idea: when the original poster makes a gripe about the interview portion of the show (ie. not the satirical comedy portion of the show, where almost anybody should admit they're pretty evenhanded in who they pick on), let's respond as if the original poster was talking exclusively about the satire portion of the show! Let's then act as if the original poster is on crack, because, obviously, the satire portion of the show is brilliant and evenhanded.

It'll be fun.

[Look, here's the thing. The first part of the Daily Show isn't (and doesn't purport to be) a serious news show of any sort... it's comedy, and it seems to be done fairly. The interview portion is a step in a more serious direction, especially when you bring political guests on the show. That's the portion that objectively seems to resemble a serious show, and if I can pick up the host's politics from his questions/demeanor, then the host has failed at being non-partisan.

I don't know anything about Jon Stewart's personal beliefs, but based soley on his words/actions during the interview portion of the show, I know he slants towards the Democrat side. In contrast, I know equally little about Conan O'Brien outside his show, and based on his on-show behavior, I have idea how he slants politically. That's why I'm not usually irritated at O'Brien's interview behavior and why I am with Stewart's.

Should Stewart be allowed to believe whatever he wants? Sure. Should I (or the O.P.) be allowed to be irked when his beliefs seep into his (otherwise) excellent comedy show? I think so, just as I'm not surprised that those who politically agree with him are outright denying his slant or supporting it.]
Old 01-30-04 | 01:13 PM
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so the answer to this problem that you have is : DON'T WATCH THE SHOW AT ALL!

I don't watch Dennis Miller because i feel he's a right-wing lunatic, so don't watch the Daily Show if you think it has a leftist slant.
Jon Stewart has a very dry, witty, New York Jewish sense of humor and he's always interviewed in that way.
Old 01-30-04 | 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by Vegas9203
so the answer to this problem that you have is : DON'T WATCH THE SHOW AT ALL!

I don't watch Dennis Miller because i feel he's a right-wing lunatic, so don't watch the Daily Show if you think it has a leftist slant.
Jon Stewart has a very dry, witty, New York Jewish sense of humor and he's always interviewed in that way.

Calm down. Jeez. All we are saying is it used to be a comedy program covering all sorts of stupid stories and all it is NOW is political crap. Yes it is funny but its now like a funny Meet the Press.
Old 01-30-04 | 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by Vegas9203
so the answer to this problem that you have is : DON'T WATCH THE SHOW AT ALL!

I don't watch Dennis Miller because i feel he's a right-wing lunatic, so don't watch the Daily Show if you think it has a leftist slant.
Jon Stewart has a very dry, witty, New York Jewish sense of humor and he's always interviewed in that way.
"IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, LEAVE IT!"

If you like 90% of something (even when you liked it 95% a few months before), then stop watching it completely. Whatever you do, don't post a thread trying to discuss your gripe, on a discussion forum, with people who might agree. And if you do make the mistake of trying to discuss your particular gripe, be prepared to have everybody else treat it as if you've attacked the show in general.

You like 24 except for Chloe's character? DON'T WATCH THE SHOW AT ALL! You like Smallville except for the Kryptonite Freak of the Week concept? STAY AWAY ALTOGETHER! Don't discuss things you would like to change in order to make something you like even better.

Now that you've solved that problem, we can go ahead and close all the threads on DVDTalk now where somebody has a small gripe about something they otherwise like. That'll pretty much leave us with the Other Forum and a few nudie posts in the Mature Forum.
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Should Stewart be allowed to believe whatever he wants? Sure. Should I (or the O.P.) be allowed to be irked when his beliefs seep into his (otherwise) excellent comedy show? I think so, just as I'm not surprised that those who politically agree with him are outright denying his slant or supporting it.]

Well, first let's not make total generalizations: usually, there's no politics discussed with celebrity guests unless the celebrity brings it up in the first place (for example: Richard Lewis). Hence, let's narrow down the interviews in question to political guests and select celebrities who wish to engage in discussion about politics.

Second, if Stewart really does "irritate" with his politics, then I don't see why he still has so many Republicans and Conservatives who would agree to appear on his show (unless they're all truly offended that he keeps asking if Cheney is a "cyborg").

Third, since he DOES have Republican/Conservative guests, he does throw out certain questions that the original poster seems to deem as "criticizing the republicans, without making a joke". However, I always saw it as "okay, here's the current criticism" and allows the guest to respond (as opposed to just cutting off the guest *cough* Bill Mahar *cough*). He's had Democrats on as guests before, and I've seen him bring up the same kind of "here's the current criticism". I rather like this, since he's actually not snow-balling his remarks compared to "legitimate" news sources.

However, I do agree with brizz that the original poster is perhaps finding the humor "hits a little too close to home" because Stewart is bringing up alot of the questions/criticisms for his guests to answer...and at the moment, there's ALOT of criticism to be had
Old 01-30-04 | 01:41 PM
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Calm down. Jeez. All we are saying is it used to be a comedy program covering all sorts of stupid stories and all it is NOW is political crap. Yes it is funny but its now like a funny Meet the Press.

I think people are having a hard time understanding your complaint because we're currently in the middle of the Democratic primaries during a presidential election year. If you've been watching the Daily Show with Jon Stewart for the past few years, this kind of political coverage was expected.

Oh, and some of the guests for the week of 02/02 (as per the Comedy Central website): Ice Cube, Donald Trump, Noah Wyle

and last night's guest was Kelsey Grammar.

Not exactly all political crap, is it?
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This is one of the only shows I watch religiously (for lack of a better term )

I get all of my news from The Daily Show and Other.
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Well, first let's not make total generalizations: usually, there's no politics discussed with celebrity guests unless the celebrity brings it up in the first place (for example: Richard Lewis). Hence, let's narrow down the interviews in question to political guests and select celebrities who wish to engage in discussion about politics.
Granted. I generally have no problem with his non-political interviews, since they tend to stay more light-hearted, which is in keeping with the show.

Second, if Stewart really does "irritate" with his politics, then I don't see why he still has so many Republicans and Conservatives who would agree to appear on his show (unless they're all truly offended that he keeps asking if Cheney is a "cyborg").
A) Stewart does, in fact, irritate some with his politics, so that's not an "if."
B) I can think of an excellent reason why conservatives/Republicans would still choose to appear. It's still exposure; not appearing would just let the other side get all the exposure. I imagine this is the same reason why Democrats/liberals still speak with Fox News.

Third, since he DOES have Republican/Conservative guests, he does throw out certain questions that the original poster seems to deem as "criticizing the republicans, without making a joke". However, I always saw it as "okay, here's the current criticism" and allows the guest to respond (as opposed to just cutting off the guest *cough* Bill Mahar *cough*). He's had Democrats on as guests before, and I've seen him bring up the same kind of "here's the current criticism". I rather like this, since he's actually not snow-balling his remarks compared to "legitimate" news sources.
Agreed, at least with your interpretation of his remarks. He's nowhere near as offensive as O'Reilly or Maher. I think his politics only show in a much more subtle way, which is why I don't avoid watching the show. But I can certainly understand being irked.

However, I do agree with brizz that the original poster is perhaps finding the humor "hits a little too close to home" because Stewart is bringing up alot of the questions/criticisms for his guests to answer...and at the moment, there's ALOT of criticism to be had
I don't know. If the OP had a problem with the humorous portions of the Daily Show attacking Bush, I'd have to agree with you. But you just don't expect to see much political commentary coming out of an interviewer, especially on Comedy Central. And when it seems one-sided, that's plenty of cause to be peeved.

And the remarks may too hit close to home for the OP, but that's not the only reason to get upset. If I went to see a friend for a casual, friendly dinner, and at dinner they blasted me on my performance on my last exam, I'd be pissed as well. Not because it wasn't a valid criticism substantively, but because the criticism came at a time and from a source I wasn't expecting.
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I don't care if Jon Stewart was a nazi sympathizer & pediophile who only interviewed skinheads & Michael Jackson, I'd still watch his show... he's ***** funny!
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I used to watch this show, but it's just too liberal, and that was years ago when I stopped.
Which is why they had RICHARD PERLE on a few days ago. Trust me, we have larger concerns than which way a FAKE news show leans politically.
And the Left gets nailed all the time on that show. Especially when they do something. Which ain't been too often in recent months.
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I don't care if Jon Stewart was a nazi sympathizer & pediophile who only interviewed skinheads & Michael Jackson, I'd still watch his show... he's ***** funny!
Hell, I'd be damn sure to watch his show is it was like that. It'd be interesting to say the least.


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