Enterprise. It's dead(?), Jim.
 

Looks like they're preparing to pull the plug on the long-suffering patient.

Today, Dark Horizons is reporting that the supposedly-guaranteed 7 year run for Enterprise probably ain't gonna happen. Find the article here.

As a longtime Trek fan who spent his youth dreaming of a return of ST to the airwaves, I find it ironic that I'm so excited to hear this news. Maybe now they can let the "franchise" (Lord, I hate that word) rest… and come back with some new copper-based blood.

Maybe the franchise should be made into a chain instead. I hear it's less likely an enterprise would go under if there is a corporate office involved.

I stopped watching Enterprise in the first season. N'Pol got on my nerves - she was too emotional for a Vulcan. Tripp's pants were full of water balloons. And Scott Bakula couldn't act his way out of a wet paper bag.

They should just bring back Deep Space Nine!

Somebody (I can’t for the life of me remember who) said, back in Season 1, that B&B would be able to proudly put on their résumés that they are the ones who killed Trek.

I’m surprised they’re going for a 4th season. Maybe a lesson learned from Farscape? Naw, more likely they don’t have anything to fill the timeslot.

I hate to add a :banana: to this, but it’s there anyway. I’ve been a fan since TOS originally aired, and dislike the lack of respect they’ve given this travesty.

Now maybe the TOS season sets will come a year earlier.

Hardly unexpected.

But, it's UPN. There isn't much pulling better ratings.

According to recent Paramount ads in magazines, the TOS sets are coming out in 2004, concurrent w/Voyager.

Ultimately, I think most agree that the big problem with Trek over the past ten years has been Berman and Braga. Specifically, the series run directly by these two have been lacklustre to awful. Notice how good Deep Space Nine becamse once these two were focused on Voyager.

Trek can prosper, but it needs new blood and a new vision to carry it forward. And, ultimately, I don't think looking backwards to the past is the right way to do it, so maybe losing Enterprise is a necessary sacrifice.

I do think they should sit without any aired Trek for a couple of years, then maybe do something like a DS9 reunion tv-movie by some of the people who worked on THAT show towards the end and use that to gauge the continued interest in televised Trek.

Trek needs to take a 5 to 10-year break.

Or a 1-year break, if it returns with creative, talented people at the helm.

Trek will never be good as long as those two are at the helm.

It will come back in one form or another, if only because it's Paramount's cash cow. Well, it was untill it turned to crap. Maybe they've finally gotten the message?

They should just cancel it and make room for Shatner's new series, The Avenger.

Word!

I wonder who they would get to play Mrs. Peel. ;)




TOS sets next year?? :banana: :banana:

I can honestly say that I won't be sad to see Enterprise go. I only watched the first season, and then everything after that seemed to be the same plot storyline, i.e. get a disease, or get stranded somewhere, or get taken hostage, or get a disease while hostage...etc.

...whilst in caves...

think we'll get a parting full frontal shot of N'Pol's boobies..?

I'd be sad. I know everyone hates this show, but it's not that bad.

Oh, I don't hate Enterprise. I just don't see it doing anything new or adding anything significant to the overall Star Trek mythos.

You're right, it's not that bad, it's just completely and totally mediocre. Like most of what those two have put out in the last ten years.

Well, now that we've got a nice burn going, here's a little more potential fuel for the fire... courtesy of SyFy Portal.

Me too. While far from perfect, it's still Trek and still more fun than a lot of popcorn TV. The most recent episodes -- North Star (Western), Similitude (Hugh 2) and Carpenter Street (with Leland Orser) -- were particularly enjoyable.

Just to restate my affiliation: Wrath of Khan is the greatest ST movie ever (followed by Voyage Home and Insurrection, yeah, you heard me); watched and loved every episode of Next Generation as it aired (but, come on now, don't tell me Season One was high art); Deep Space What?; and Voyager only became tolerable once Six of Nine arrived.

Just hope Paramount has enough sense to shitcan Berman and Braga, too.

I'm actually amazed UPN is bringing Enterprise back at all next season. I thought for sure they would cancel it outright after this year. Hopefully if the report is true, they can wrap up the storylines in a solid way and go out on a high note.

I take that back!

Just checked here for the season-to-date totals. There are five UPN shows rating higher than Enterprise. :eek:

2003 3.88 Million viewers, 2.55 rating
2002 3.92 Million viewers, 2.59 rating
2001 5.73 Million viewers, 3.60 rating
2000 4.65 Million viewers, 2.99 rating (final season of Voyager)

All though Im not onto Enterprise as I was with TNG and even Voyager....

Paramount should have just made the series with Captain Sulu and the Excelsior crew and Im sure the storylines & viewership would have been up much more than Enterprise...

According to IGN, the cutback in episodes for this season (down to 24) has now been confirmed by Paramount.

And so it begins..........

If that report is to be believed, it is coming back for another year solely to create enough episodes for a reasonable syndication contract. That is, it's coming back for year 4 because they'll make a lot more $$$$ in the long run with 4 seasons than cancelling it outright and cutting their losses with only 3.

In my opinion ...it seems the majority of the naysayers and bashers are living in that world where the past is all roses and candy. I'm sure most have experienced that forlorn look at the past, however these trek "fans" take it to a new level.

I've watched the original series and >blasphemy< it's nothing to write home about.

However I realize the power of the first love...rose-tinted glasses etc.

I especially love the arguments of been there done that...I'm sorry but the orignial series was not coming up with sliced bread each episode.

I'm not old enough to have seen Trek in it's original run, but grew up on the series in the '70's and '80's. Later, I must of watched the complete run of the original series about 20-25 times during college and plenty of times since.

I can say with utmost confidence: it is, in fact, sliced bread.


I watched Star Trek. I knew Star Trek. Star Trek is a friend of mine. Enterprise, you're no Star Trek. *


*With apologies to Senator Bentsen :)

maxpower, yours isn’t the first accusation of “rose-tinted glasses.” However, as one who has been participating in Enterprise-bashing parties here since the beginning, I can tell you that this isn’t the case.

First, as someone who saw TOS when it originally aired, I can tell you it doesn’t stand the test of time. That’s JMO. But it IS a classic, and deserves considerable respect. However, TOS has nothing to do with the current incarnation.

Enterprise is poorly written, rehashing old ideas, with T&A thrown in to make it seem worthwhile. The decline of the “franchise” began with Voyager (at about the time 7 of 9 was introduced) and it’s only gotten worse.

I discount the “rehashing old ideas” part, personally. I don’t mind if they “borrow.” But if they’re gonna do that, they should at least make an attempt to put something fresh into the mix. There’s simply no effort made to that end.

The only reason Enterprise is still on the air is because Paramount (the “P” in “UPN”) thinks they can milk this and hasn’t the balls to say they have no “creative” in their creative staff.

The opening theme sucks, too. Always has, always will. It just ain’t Trek.

And Blalock needs to have a bag put over her head. Double bag, please.


Welcome to the forum. :)

[Buncha silly grownups fighting over whether TOS is sliced bread. Everyone knows TOS is a grilled cheese sandwich.]

:lol:

True, but you can't make a grilled cheese sandwich without sliced bread. ;)

:lol:

I’m pretty sure I ordered the club on whole wheat.

Though I respect most views. I can't help but feel something odd about the vehement dislike "fans" have toward a show carrying on the name of a series.

I for one was not a fan of DS9...didn't watch it...was not my cup of tea. Though I caught some of the later arcs in hopes something would click with me...it never did.

Not once did I wish it to be cancelled. I never did post how unwatchable the show was. It was not the original series nor was it next gen but I realized it was not meant to be. It was it's own series simple as that.

I just find something malicious about wishing ill for something that doesn't satiate you.

As for the "rehashed" stories. My opinion is that this is show based on space exploration.

You encounter new lifeforms and something exciting happens.
Exciting usually means danger. In deep space, alone and you basically don't have much leeway as to what the dread will be.

I just think some people are expecting too much...or I'm just not so deeply vested in the free entertainment we are privelaged to have...I can't express enough how odd it is to see the venom spouted by "fans". I may not be a true blue trek fan but I am a hardcore Simpsons fan...and though the writing may not have the kick of times past..I don't wish it to be cancelled etc. The day the show no longer interests me..I will simply change the channel...

It's that simple. I will not go to a forum and express my utter dislike for the show..though it will never become that.. it will just become disinterest.

by the by ..though I don't post often...been a member for well over a year...but thanks for the welcome ;)

That pretty well sums it up.

It’s not Trek. Never was, never will be. (That, of course, is JMO.)

And let us not forget the original premise given the “fans.” “Let’s do it a little different, and go back before Kirk and Spock and explore how the Federation that we’ve grown to love came about.” The amount of “exploration” wouldn’t fill an episode. You would be right to accuse me of holding on to that concept and being unyielding. But this “fan” was really hoping for something like this. A continuation of the sub par plots/writing/acting does nothing good for the Trek name.


:lol: Yeah, I do stuff like that all the time. Got no excuse, not even a bad one. :)

Enterprise was the first Trek show that I could ever watch. I've seen episodes of the others here and there but never cared for em. Maybe it's because Enterprise wasn't as hyper high tech as all the others, maybe it was because of the vulcan boobs. It was prolly the later, but still.

And, why do people want it to be like the original series? It's 2003, they're not gonna make the sets out of cardboard anymore. The show has to be believeable to a modern audience, it's not made for trekkies, it's made to make money. Even though the trekkies will watch just beceause it's trek, that ain't gonna be enough to pay all the bills. So when little Bobby doesn't wanna do homework, they have to have something entertaining for him to watch on TV, hence the "modernized" look and the boobies.

Personally, I'd take Enterprise over the original series anyday. It might have been great in the 60's, but it's not the 60's anymore...

I'm not boo-hoo-hooing here. I tried watching the pilot and haven't bothered since.

Hope B & B get tossed onto Melrose Ave. double-quick.

While Enterprise is still on the air, it strangles any chance for good Trek to exist. It, like Edith Keeler, must die.

Ya know, except for folks complaining about those ragging on the show, I don’t think there have been any comparisons between Enterprise and TOS. That’s just plain silly.