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vaporware 09-25-03 08:08 AM

Funny how Nathan felt betrayed by Allison, used by her, and yet he still voted for her. Worse yet, he was the only person to vote for her. He was her bitch even at the end.

movieking 09-25-03 08:37 AM

Here are a couple of BB4 articles that I have found recently. I have highlighted the parts that I found particularly interesting:

Nasty 'Big Brother' season ends

How do you choose between two evils? The 'Big Brother 4' jury did so last night on the finale of summer reality show series. With a number of them not wanting to side with either of the two finalists, by a vote of six to one the 'Big Brother 4' jury awarded the game and the $500,000 in prize money to Jun Song, the 27-year-old investment banker from New York City.

As the runner-up, Alison Irwin, the 22-year-old beauty queen and retail salesperson from Pittsburgh took home $50,000. The only vote Irwin received was from Nathan Marlow, the 23-year-old personal trainer from Oklahoma, with whom Alison flirted with in the house.

In revealing their votes live and having watched the entire season on tape subsequent to the finale, most of jury did not have kind words for either Jun or Alison who routinely ridiculed the other players behind their backs and during their private confessionals in the Diary Room. However, the jury did not see that the insults included attacks on the families of the HouseGuests as well as homophobic and racist remarks as they were never broadcast during any of the shows in the series.

"I lost a lot of respect for the both of you after seeing those tapes. I want you to know that but you did make it to the end. I am choosing the lesser of two evils," said Dana Varela as she revealed her vote for Jun.

"Alison and Jun, congrats to the both of you. I have to give you guys credit because I wouldn't be able to sacrifice respect for others to win any kind of money but you guys did it and played a flawless game," said Jee Choe as he made his vote known.

In speaking with Jun and Alison after they exited the 'Big Brother' house, host Julie Chen questioned Jun and Alison about the negative reaction they received.

"What just went on in there? They didn't even congratulate you guys," said Chen.

"They hate us. They are not happy that we won," stated Alison.

"...and I don't think they wanted to vote for either of us, in all honesty, and they had to," continued Jun who agreed with Chen that the bad feelings the jury had for them spoiled her victory.

Alison maintained that the trash talking was all just a part of the game.

"I think that a lot of them lost concentration in the game during the game and they don't realize it was just a game and the things that we did were because it was a game not because that's the type of people we are outside the house," she remarked.

"Can you blame them?," asked Chen.

"No, because they lost. They didn't win any money and they got to see Diary Rooms before we did but I am sure when we go home we will be just as upset as they are," said Jun.

"I think we are all going to be hurt out of this experience," stated Alison.

In an often confusing season that featured mostly recycled ideas from previous installments, ex-loves battling each other in the game (the much hyped 'X Factor') and immature, hateful language, fans who longed for the producers to finally air the disparaging statements Jun and Alison made on a regular basis on the live 24/7 Internet feeds were left disappointed. None of them were mentioned during the finale. The attacks included racist remarks made about Robert Roman's Cuban background, the use of homophobic terms to describe him and others as well as derogatory statements concerning his young daughter Elena. Angered by the hateful behavior, fans had flooded CBS and the producers of the series - Alison Grodner and Arnold Shapiro - with angry messages expressing disgust and dismay.

Roman, himself, had been called out by host Julie Chen on national television for calling some of the women players "whores", "sluts" and "bitches". Robert apologized twice. Once in speaking to Chen and again during his America's Choice Internet chat.

While Jun and Alison's sordid comments were left unaddressed, those made by player Erika Landin were highlighted on the 'Big Brother 4' finale. Early on in the game after being nominated by Jee Choe for eviction, Erika referred to him as a "Korean piece of s--t" and a "fresh off the boat immigrant".

"Erika, I have to address this because it is a very serious issue. I think it was really uncalled for. A Korean piece of s--t and a fresh off the boat immigrant? I do have a forgiving heart but that was really cruel," said Jee Choe as he confronted Erika Landin in a taped segment in which the evicted HouseGuests were brought together to air their grievances.

"I have to admit that the first few weeks that I was in the house, I wasn't myself. It was completely out of anger and I completely apologize. I truly deep down in my heart don't feel that way. My grandparents were immigrants. I do hope you have a forgiving heart. I apologize. That is all I can really do," said Erika Landin, who on the Internet feeds admitted to dating Josh Souza, the second-place finalist of the first 'Big Brother U.S.A.' series. That piece of intriguing information also never aired. The current producers took over the series at the start of the second season.

"Well, thank you for your apology. I guess I'll just take that," Jee Choe responded.

This season more than any other installment in the 'Big Brother U.S.A.' series confirmed to fans what they had always feared, that the producers manipulate the happenings in the house...to some degree. Fans watching the 24/7 live Internet feeds heard the HouseGuests publicly complain on numerous occasions about the how the producers tried to coax words out of them in the Diary Room, suggested things for them to say or in some cases actually fed them lines to speak in front of the confessional cameras. Viewers of the television series are led to believe that the Diary Room statements which help to narrate the shows are spontaneous answers to questions asked by the producers.

In a recent occurrence, when asked by Jun about how a particular Diary Room session went, Alison admitted that she couldn't think of anything to say so the producers told her what they wanted to hear and Alison repeated it for them word for word as the Diary Room cameras rolled. In order to curb the HouseGuests from speaking about things they don't wish them to on the 24/7 Internet feeds, the producers had resorted to blasting the HouseGuests with a loud buzzer sound to signal to them that they must immediately cease whatever conversation they were having.

The HouseGuests also criticizied the way in which the producers managed the crucial Head of Household Challenges. Some even thought that a number of the competitions were slanted so that a particular player would win. Though the producers routinely put the HouseGuests through a dry run of the HOH Competitions before the Wednesday live shows, the HouseGuests have griped that the props always seemed to fail. After a HOH Challenge in which he squared off against the last three remaining women in the house, Robert Roman stated that his buzzer didn't ring in properly and that's why he came up short. In another competition in which Justin Giovinco won the Head of Household title, Justin himself admitted that the final question was only one he could know the answer to because it was about his ex-girlfriend in the game, Alison.

movieking 09-25-03 08:42 AM

This is one from last week (both articles are from canoe.ca):

'Big Brother' Net feeds turn vile

The "Big Brother 4" reality show sunk to new lows with two of the finalists making racial remarks and verbally attacking another player's young daughter on the live 24/7 Internet feeds.

Alison Irwin, the 22-year-old retail salesperson from Pittsburgh, and Jun Song, the 27-year-old investment manager from New York, infamous for their persistent personal attacks on the other HouseGuests, ranted on the other finalist, Robert Roman - the 33-year-old former restaurant manager from California - last night.

Enraged over Roman trying to split their alliance up by pitting one against the other, Alison and Jun went on a verbal tirade against him as they exercised alone in the backyard. Robert was inside the house and out of earshot.

"I want to put my fist through his face," said Alison as she jogged with some weights.

Jun threatened to destroy a present Robert had made for his young daughter.

"That bitch is never going to see it," said Jun. "Elena's butterfly? I'm sorry that bitch can forget about that f---ing butterfly. I'll tear that s--t apart."


Robert has won all of the America's Choice competitions voted on by this year's viewers and has received a phone call and letters from his daughter as prizes.

Still seething over Robert's manipulations, Jun leveled personal attacks against Robert's Cuban heritage and his family.

"His father should've stayed in Cuba. His family is like...No speaky English," Jun said to Alison. They both agreed to send Robert "back on a boat to Cuba" during this week's live eviction vote.

"I vote to evict your sorry motherf---ing Cuban ass out," said Alison of how she wants to humiliate Robert on the live broadcast Wednesday night.

This is not the first time Jun and Alison have directed racial remarks towards the former restaurant manager. A few nights ago, Alison called Robert a "Cuban faggot" when she alerted him of a producer's request that he go to the Diary Room, a private confessional room in the 'Big Brother' house.

CBS has not aired any of Jun or Alison's past off-colour remarks on the "Big Brother 4" television series.

Disgusted by the constant barrage of insults, Internet fans flooded various forums and message boards devoted to the reality show series with their sense of outrage and disappointment.

Cheddarmuff 09-25-03 08:52 AM

I am not suprised that the jury was pissed....what would have been the best twist of all is if the jury would have been able to vote for one of the first three evicted house guests or nobody at all instead of the remaining two...that way you would have to "play the game" but do it in a way that doesn't alienate the other players...

Patman 09-25-03 09:42 AM

But that would be boring. :)

CBS knew exactly what they were doing when they set it up to show the jury the diary room footage after they voted.

B.A. 09-25-03 10:20 AM

The tape my wife and I were watching cut out halfway through the show!!! I had to find out from my brother-in-law that they jury was shown the entire show before they voted. He said it was really uncomfortable watching the second half of the show w/ the pissed-off jury and their final votes.

So I would assume the producers showing of the diary-room footage will change future installments of Big Brother for good, unless it was a one-time thing. And how lame is it that they tried to coax the houseguests into saying/doing certain things and fixing competitions.

B.A. 09-25-03 10:21 AM


Originally posted by evenflow
I am officially boycotting BB5 because of tonight's travesty.
No kidding - I don't think I will ever watch this crap again.

shoppingbear 09-25-03 12:54 PM


Originally posted by B.A.hist
The tape my wife and I were watching cut out halfway through the show!!! I had to find out from my brother-in-law that they jury was shown the entire show before they voted. He said it was really uncomfortable watching the second half of the show w/ the pissed-off jury and their final votes.

Actually, from what I understand, they (the jury) voted, THEN they were shown the entire show, THEN they had the "round table discussion", followed by going into the house and revealing the votes. I kept getting interupted while watching the show, but from what I understood, the votes were cast and "locked in" BEFORE the jury saw the entire show. That's why they were so mad, didn't Nathan say something about how it changed how he saw Allison (don't think he would've voted for her if he'd seen the tapes first!)?

Patman 09-25-03 01:19 PM

That was also the whole purpose of sequestering the jury as well. Diary room footage can totally poison a houseguest needing votes to win.

What I can't fathom is why players are so vitriolic in their diary room "confessionals". Just play it cool and funny, not cruel and crummy.

atari2600 09-25-03 01:55 PM

WOW.

i had no idea those bitches said those things! especially to his daughter?! those evil evil women. they deserve nothing.

atari2600 09-25-03 01:56 PM

evenflow: which specific thing are you referring to as "travesty"?

atari2600 09-25-03 01:57 PM

so did robert ever know of these comments during the show or did he find out after he went home? id love to see what he has to say back. those two bitches went beyond the game and normal expected human decency,

Cheddarmuff 09-25-03 02:23 PM

Missed the comments about Robert's daughter....can someone please explain...TIA.. :)

toq 09-25-03 02:28 PM

Check out movieking's last post above.

evenflow 09-25-03 02:34 PM


Originally posted by atari2600
evenflow: which specific thing are you referring to as "travesty"?
Jun winning.

Darq 09-25-03 02:51 PM

Wow.. didn't realize those girls said those things.

Anyways, does anyone know what was shown to the jury (after they voted)? Was it the same show that WE'VE watched, or were they able to see the raw footage where Alison/Jun made all the unaired (rude) comments? If it was the AIRED footage, i still don't understand why they're all huffy and puffy about it. If it's the footage mentioned in the article above, then (now) i don't blame the jury.

B.A. 09-25-03 03:05 PM


Originally posted by Darq
Wow.. didn't realize those girls said those things.

Anyways, does anyone know what was shown to the jury (after they voted)? Was it the same show that WE'VE watched, or were they able to see the raw footage where Alison/Jun made all the unaired (rude) comments? If it was the AIRED footage, i still don't understand why they're all huffy and puffy about it. If it's the footage mentioned in the article above, then (now) i don't blame the jury.

I believe it was the show edited for television that the jury members watched. Same thing we did. (if I am wrong, someone please correct me.)

nny 09-26-03 12:23 AM


Originally posted by movieking

In a recent occurrence, when asked by Jun about how a particular Diary Room session went, Alison admitted that she couldn't think of anything to say so the producers told her what they wanted to hear and Alison repeated it for them word for word as the Diary Room cameras rolled. In order to curb the HouseGuests from speaking about things they don't wish them to on the 24/7 Internet feeds, the producers had resorted to blasting the HouseGuests with a loud buzzer sound to signal to them that they must immediately cease whatever conversation they were having.

The HouseGuests also criticizied the way in which the producers managed the crucial Head of Household Challenges. Some even thought that a number of the competitions were slanted so that a particular player would win. Though the producers routinely put the HouseGuests through a dry run of the HOH Competitions before the Wednesday live shows, the HouseGuests have griped that the props always seemed to fail. After a HOH Challenge in which he squared off against the last three remaining women in the house, Robert Roman stated that his buzzer didn't ring in properly and that's why he came up short. In another competition in which Justin Giovinco won the Head of Household title, Justin himself admitted that the final question was only one he could know the answer to because it was about his ex-girlfriend in the game, Alison.

I didn't watch the live feeds this year so the second part of the first paragraph surprises me, but the first part of that paragraph just sounds like Alison exagerrating to me. As for the HOH competitions, didn't Robert win when he went up against the 3 remaining women? Even if he didn't, why would CBS rig the game against him? I was surprised when they gave Justin a question about Alison, but not as surprised as when they asked the girls what competition Justin thought was harder and one of them answered the cage match. He wasn't even involved in the cage match.


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