The Babylon 5 Season THREE Discussion Thread
08-17-03, 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by Jlbkwrm
Having just finished a marathon-viewing of the DVDs (Oh, come on, I dare you to try stopping if you don't have to), I feel compelled to say this about Z'ha'dum:
Having just finished a marathon-viewing of the DVDs (Oh, come on, I dare you to try stopping if you don't have to), I feel compelled to say this about Z'ha'dum:
Spoiler:
08-17-03, 11:13 PM
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Originally posted by Seeker
Kicks you in the butt, doesn't it...?
Kicks you in the butt, doesn't it...?
I remember when I first saw it. It was when it was first broadcast. No internet for me, and I literally had NO idea what was going to happen.
I can remember feeling my heart literally POUNDING in my chest as the events of that episode unfolded.
And I had learned to expect the unexpected from this show... but I just wasn't prepared for what would go down. I mean, I SHOULD'VE seen it coming...
...and the speech at the end. WOW. Mind-blowing stuff.
But what's really funny is that the first episode of the fourth season aired the week after the third season finale, so we didn't have to wait long to see what happened next.
08-17-03, 11:26 PM
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Originally posted by Josh-da-man
Oh hell yeah.
I remember when I first saw it. It was when it was first broadcast. No internet for me, and I literally had NO idea what was going to happen.
I can remember feeling my heart literally POUNDING in my chest as the events of that episode unfolded.
And I had learned to expect the unexpected from this show... but I just wasn't prepared for what would go down. I mean, I SHOULD'VE seen it coming...
...and the speech at the end. WOW. Mind-blowing stuff.
But what's really funny is that the first episode of the fourth season aired the week after the third season finale, so we didn't have to wait long to see what happened next.
Oh hell yeah.
I remember when I first saw it. It was when it was first broadcast. No internet for me, and I literally had NO idea what was going to happen.
I can remember feeling my heart literally POUNDING in my chest as the events of that episode unfolded.
And I had learned to expect the unexpected from this show... but I just wasn't prepared for what would go down. I mean, I SHOULD'VE seen it coming...
...and the speech at the end. WOW. Mind-blowing stuff.
But what's really funny is that the first episode of the fourth season aired the week after the third season finale, so we didn't have to wait long to see what happened next.
08-18-03, 06:01 AM
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The day is here at last. First some ground rules: I will be posting a new episode for discussion every M-F until the end of Season 3. That episode and all that came before it are open for discussion. Any events that take place after (or you think take place) require use of spoiler tags.
And so it begins......
Today's Episode: Matters of Honor
And so it begins......
Today's Episode: Matters of Honor
While an Earth official investigates the mystery ship encountered by Lt. Keffer in hyperspace, Londo attempts to sever his ties with Morden. Sheridan receives a new tool in the fight against the Shadows.
Was the White Star constructed with Sheridan in mind? Giving it that name seems certain to stir up resentment among the warrior caste when they find out about it, especially if it turns out that the man they call Starkiller was the intended commander from the start. (Sheridan destroyed the Minbari cruiser Black Star in the Earth-Minbari War.)
Is the former Shadow presence on Narn related to the fact that there are no Narn telepaths? ("The Gathering") Given how unpleasant -- even painful -- being near the Shadows was for Talia ("In the Shadow of Z'ha'dum") perhaps prolonged exposure to the Shadows caused so much trouble for Narn telepaths that they didn't survive to breed new generations of telepaths.
Sheridan has now destroyed two indestructible enemy vessels in his career.
The Centauri automated defense systems appear to be able to track the White Star, evidence that Centauri weapons technology is more advanced than Earth's ("Points of Departure.")
Is the former Shadow presence on Narn related to the fact that there are no Narn telepaths? ("The Gathering") Given how unpleasant -- even painful -- being near the Shadows was for Talia ("In the Shadow of Z'ha'dum") perhaps prolonged exposure to the Shadows caused so much trouble for Narn telepaths that they didn't survive to breed new generations of telepaths.
Sheridan has now destroyed two indestructible enemy vessels in his career.
The Centauri automated defense systems appear to be able to track the White Star, evidence that Centauri weapons technology is more advanced than Earth's ("Points of Departure.")
08-18-03, 01:54 PM
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Chew
[B]The day is here at last. First some ground rules: I will be posting a new episode for discussion every M-F until the end of Season 3. That episode and all that came before it are open for discussion. Any events that take place after (or you think take place) require use of spoiler tags.
ok, time for me to stop reading this thread then, lol.
last week I broke down and ordered Season 1-3 from Amazon.ca and the pilot from DDD. I hope they arrive soon.......and I hope I like this show as much as you rabid fans do!
[B]The day is here at last. First some ground rules: I will be posting a new episode for discussion every M-F until the end of Season 3. That episode and all that came before it are open for discussion. Any events that take place after (or you think take place) require use of spoiler tags.
ok, time for me to stop reading this thread then, lol.
last week I broke down and ordered Season 1-3 from Amazon.ca and the pilot from DDD. I hope they arrive soon.......and I hope I like this show as much as you rabid fans do!
08-18-03, 01:58 PM
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Originally posted by garmonbozia
ok, time for me to stop reading this thread then, lol.
last week I broke down and ordered Season 1-3 from Amazon.ca and the pilot from DDD. I hope they arrive soon.......and I hope I like this show as much as you rabid fans do!
ok, time for me to stop reading this thread then, lol.
last week I broke down and ordered Season 1-3 from Amazon.ca and the pilot from DDD. I hope they arrive soon.......and I hope I like this show as much as you rabid fans do!
Now you just have to watch all of them and catch up before we finish our Season 3 discussions.
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08-18-03, 02:25 PM
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Originally posted by Chew
Wow, that's a pretty huge investment in a show you've never seen! But, I'm sure you won't be disappointed.
Now you just have to watch all of them and catch up before we finish our Season 3 discussions.
Wow, that's a pretty huge investment in a show you've never seen! But, I'm sure you won't be disappointed.
Now you just have to watch all of them and catch up before we finish our Season 3 discussions.
computers are bad.
lol, I doubt I'll catch up before this thread is done (are you discussing an episode a day?), but I'll definitely be checking it out when I do get to the end.....
were there similar threads for the first two seasons?
08-18-03, 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by garmonbozia
were there similar threads for the first two seasons?
were there similar threads for the first two seasons?
Just make sure you save the flip side of the pilot disc for later as detailed in this thread.
08-18-03, 04:02 PM
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My one question for this episode is really just hypothetical - how did the Shadows know about the Rangers? Delenn delivered the huge speech to Sheridan about moving in secret being their only chance for victory but if they know about the Rangers I'm guessing the cat's out of the bag.
BTW, the White Star is a sweet ship...
BTW, the White Star is a sweet ship...
08-18-03, 04:16 PM
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Just watched "Point of No Return". Things are really heating up. 
Now I have to get a quiet, uninterrupted hour to watch "Severed Dreams".
Now I have to get a quiet, uninterrupted hour to watch "Severed Dreams".
08-18-03, 10:01 PM
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Originally posted by Chew
We didn't do a first season thread, but the second can be found here
Just make sure you save the flip side of the pilot disc for later as detailed in this thread.
We didn't do a first season thread, but the second can be found here
Just make sure you save the flip side of the pilot disc for later as detailed in this thread.
My question is this: Are the episodes on the discs in the order they aired or in the order that the creator thinks they should be viewed?
And do most people here think that the order the episodes are in on the discs is the correct order?
Thanks!
08-19-03, 06:09 AM
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Originally posted by strife
they are in both order of aired and the way the creator thinks it should be viewed. B5 is a big story arc
they are in both order of aired and the way the creator thinks it should be viewed. B5 is a big story arc
Was this (episode) supposed to come before "********"?
Correct. Initially we'd wanted to put "*****" in first, but that would have meant airing only "********" in that sweeps period, and having to wait until the fall for "********", which seemed not only excessive but remarkably stupid. So we reversed the shooting/airing order to accommodate that, and the fact that we knew we'd need a LOT of EFX in "********", and this would give us time to do it properly.
Will the order be corrected when TNT airs the series?
Not really, because it doesn't make *that* much difference to risk confusing them about it....
Correct. Initially we'd wanted to put "*****" in first, but that would have meant airing only "********" in that sweeps period, and having to wait until the fall for "********", which seemed not only excessive but remarkably stupid. So we reversed the shooting/airing order to accommodate that, and the fact that we knew we'd need a LOT of EFX in "********", and this would give us time to do it properly.
Will the order be corrected when TNT airs the series?
Not really, because it doesn't make *that* much difference to risk confusing them about it....
But, I would most certainly watch the episodes in the order the DVD set presents them.
08-19-03, 06:12 AM
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Today's Episode: Convictions
A series of bombings threatens the station, and Ivanova calls on some unusual investigators to help solve the mystery.
Londo apparently doesn't place absolute faith in the dream of his death twenty years in the future ("Midnight on the Firing Line," "The Coming of Shadows.") Otherwise he wouldn't have been afraid he was going to die in the elevator. (Which isn't to say he wouldn't have still tried to call for help, of course.)
Lennier's own convictions, namely his prohibition against lying except to save face for another, seem to have weakened since his arrival, despite his pledge to do penance later. On the other hand, perhaps he justified it in his mind by figuring he was saving face for the obnoxious man by getting him to stop making a fool of himself.
Lennier's own convictions, namely his prohibition against lying except to save face for another, seem to have weakened since his arrival, despite his pledge to do penance later. On the other hand, perhaps he justified it in his mind by figuring he was saving face for the obnoxious man by getting him to stop making a fool of himself.
08-19-03, 06:21 AM
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Eh, I thought "Convictions" was okay. By any other show's standards, it was solid, but it did little to advance the plt here.
I watched "Severed Dreams" last night. Oh. My. God.
I watched "Severed Dreams" last night. Oh. My. God.
Spoiler:
08-19-03, 07:22 AM
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"Convictions" is a decent episode. I think it basically sets up the events for "Passing Through Gethsemane." It also allows Londo to have a quiet moment in light of all the crap he's pulled thus far
I really can't wait till I get back home so I can watch "Severed Dreams" again! Bandoman, that line you quotes is from one of the best scenes in the entire series IMO.
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I really can't wait till I get back home so I can watch "Severed Dreams" again! Bandoman, that line you quotes is from one of the best scenes in the entire series IMO.
08-19-03, 07:32 AM
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Agh... must...avoid..being...anal...retentive..
Sorry, can't do it. That quote actually goes...
Sure, it's a small difference, but the details are everything
Well, it's because.... err... you see, the Shadows.... uhh...
Heck, that's a damn good question. I've seen the whole series, but I don't have a good answer for that.
Sorry, can't do it. That quote actually goes...
Spoiler:
Sure, it's a small difference, but the details are everything
My one question for this episode is really just hypothetical - how did the Shadows know about the Rangers? Delenn delivered the huge speech to Sheridan about moving in secret being their only chance for victory but if they know about the Rangers I'm guessing the cat's out of the bag.
Heck, that's a damn good question. I've seen the whole series, but I don't have a good answer for that.
08-19-03, 08:03 AM
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xVladx - thanks for the correction, I was quoting from memory and I've seen it only once, but you're right - the details are everything.
This is a series I'm going to really enjoy watching a second time. And a third. And a fourth. And...well, you get the idea.
This is a series I'm going to really enjoy watching a second time. And a third. And a fourth. And...well, you get the idea.
08-19-03, 08:05 AM
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Originally posted by xVladx
Agh... must...avoid..being...anal...retentive..
Agh... must...avoid..being...anal...retentive..
It’s not incumbent of us to know how the Shadows know about the Rangers, is it? I mean, if you go down that road, you’ll be reading “Nitpicker’s Guide to…” and wondering just how it is that automatic doors (in just about any scifi work) know when you’re done with them? Or making sure everyone gets their quotes correct?
It’s a small detail. Look at it from the POV of the viewer. We don’t see what goes on from the Shadow POV, which is as it should be. If we’re surprised they know about the Rangers, that is also as it should be, yes?
08-19-03, 08:14 AM
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Wizdar - I'm Italian, we always have more than enough to eat and drink on hand. We plan for the number who will be there and then count in another 5 or 6 extras. So, trust me, there would always be plenty of beer.
08-19-03, 09:20 AM
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Originally posted by Bandoman
I watched "Severed Dreams" last night. Oh. My. God.
I watched "Severed Dreams" last night. Oh. My. God.
My roommate just hit Messages from Earth last night, and about to hit the second half of The Big Three tonight. I wonder if I should be mean and ration them out once per day. Heh, heh, heh. . . .
08-19-03, 09:25 AM
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Originally posted by Wizdar
I dare you to not watch Monk.
It’s not incumbent of us to know how the Shadows know about the Rangers, is it? I mean, if you go down that road, you’ll be reading “Nitpicker’s Guide to…” and wondering just how it is that automatic doors (in just about any scifi work) know when you’re done with them? Or making sure everyone gets their quotes correct?
It’s a small detail. Look at it from the POV of the viewer. We don’t see what goes on from the Shadow POV, which is as it should be. If we’re surprised they know about the Rangers, that is also as it should be, yes?
I dare you to not watch Monk.
It’s not incumbent of us to know how the Shadows know about the Rangers, is it? I mean, if you go down that road, you’ll be reading “Nitpicker’s Guide to…” and wondering just how it is that automatic doors (in just about any scifi work) know when you’re done with them? Or making sure everyone gets their quotes correct?
It’s a small detail. Look at it from the POV of the viewer. We don’t see what goes on from the Shadow POV, which is as it should be. If we’re surprised they know about the Rangers, that is also as it should be, yes?