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OK, more fifth season questions. So you know the drill.....
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Originally posted by Chew OK, more fifth season questions. So you know the drill..... Spoiler:
Or is that just another Trek-doors and Stargate-wormhole type thing? :) Spoiler:
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Back on topic, sort of, I started listening to the "commentary" on this one to see if maybe, just maybe, we could recommend it as spoiler free.
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Originally posted by xVladx |
Why are all Vorlons named "Kosh"? I'm sure the answer is forthcoming (some collective consciousness thingie or something), but I had to ask the question.
I know, I know - "heh heh heh". ;) Did Kosh I fight back when attacked by the Vorlons? Vorlons clearly have telepathic "weapons", which Kosh used in mild form to punish the upstart Sheridan before agreeing to help defeat the Shadows in battle. If so, why isn't his telepathic ability effective against the individual Shadows - or is telepathy only effective in breaking the concentration of whoever is running the Shadow ships? And why don't Shadows themselves run the ships instead of getting other races to do so? Or do they? Why? WHY????? So many questions... |
Random speculation, since I don't know a thing (Hey, at least I'm not going 'heh heh heh').
Originally posted by Bandoman Did Kosh I fight back when attacked by the Vorlons? If so, why isn't his telepathic ability effective against the individual Shadows - or is telepathy only effective in breaking the concentration of whoever is running the Shadow ships? And why don't Shadows themselves run the ships instead of getting other races to do so? |
Originally posted by Jlbkwrm Random speculation, since I don't know a thing (Hey, at least I'm not going 'heh heh heh'). I think he did--I don't know that they could have shown Kosh fighting, though, since I don't know how they'd show him (He couldn't have looked like anybody's religious figure, since there was nobody around.) So, is this the part where the 'heh heh heh' come in? |
It's never really explained what the "We are all Kosh" line means.
It's not a collective consciousness thing, as Vorlons do seem to show a great deal of independence in their thought process, and there are differences between individual Vorlons. It might be that they don't have proper "names" in the sense that other species do. There are lots of things about the Vorlons that are not fully explained or seen, probably to keep them mysterious. |
How about this:
Zathras Zathras Zathras Hmmm. Not the one. |
Originally posted by Wizdar How about this: Zathras Zathras Zathras Hmmm. Not the one. |
I always thought it would be like telling an alien, I'm human. He's human too. We're all human.
I thought Kosh just had a name that was too big to be practical to us mere mortals. |
Today's Episode: War Without End Part 1
Ambassador Sinclair returns to pull Babylon 4 through time. Londo's description of Sheridan's victory over the Shadows makes it sound like a fairly distant event, but the Centauri capital city was burning while Sheridan stood there. Perhaps the Shadow minions Londo mentioned have been slowly destroying the city, building by building, since the close of the war, and the Centauri have been powerless to stop them. Or, perhaps, the end of the war isn't as far back as Londo implies. (It's interesting to note that Londo doesn't appear surprised by Sheridan's appearance or by the fact that Sheridan hasn't aged.) Sheridan looks older (his hair is lighter) and may be dressed in something other than his uniform as he visits Londo in the throne room -- it looks like he's wearing a leather jacket, but his outfit isn't shown clearly enough to tell for sure. If it's different, though, could his trip forward be along the lines of the flashforward experienced by Sinclair and Garibaldi, rather than a physical transfer? If so, where is his body? In "Babylon Squared," Zathras hands his time stabilizer to the space-suited figure (possibly Sinclair,) who promptly vanishes. Was that a replacement for Sheridan's stabilizer, or for another broken one? |
Ugh ... stupid me. I knew better, but self-control is not one of my strengths. In a fit of weakness yesterday (at least I think it was yesterday ... sleep was so long ago I don't recall), likely inspired by my recent adventures at Dragon*Con, I popped in "Midnight on the Firing Line." Just one episode, I told myself. I can quit anytime, I said. Worst case, I'll lose interest around "T.K.O." Riiiight ... that was a season and a half ago.
I realize this is the Season 3 thread, but give me time ... I'm almost there. das Spoiler:
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Originally posted by das Monkey Spoiler:
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<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth Chew •<HR SIZE=1>Aren't we all? ;) <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>
That's what the flyer on the door said. Why else would I be here at this ungodly hour. das |
Welcome to our 12-step meeting das. We're not here to cure your addiction, we're here to feed it.
All my questions about War Without End have to do with part 2 so I have to wait until tomorrow to give my thoughts on this one. |
Originally posted by das Monkey Spoiler:
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There is no 12-step program for us, sadly.
It's difficult to discuss War Without End until you can talk about both parts 1 and 2. |
Alright, due to popular request (and the fact it's one of only a very small handful of two-parters) let's buck the trend for today.....
Today's Episode Part Deux: War Without End Part 2. How did Sinclair get the chrysalis machine? Did the Vorlons supply it? It seemed to do a much more thorough job on Sinclair than it did on Delenn; in appearance, at least, Valen was a pure Minbari, not half-human. An odder explanation is that Sinclair got it from Delenn, who got it (indirectly) from Valen; in that case, the machine was never actually invented. Why did Sinclair choose to call himself Valen? Was it simply because of the contents of his letter? In that case, nobody ever actually invented the name; it was chosen because it was the name he ended up using. Now that Sinclair has travelled back in time, the accuracy of Valen's prophecies is probably at an end. Valen could predict the start of the Shadow War, and the breaking of the Grey Council, because he'd lived through it, but anything after his departure to the past is a complete unknown to him (unless, of course, the Vorlons have some way of telling him.) The assumption at the end of the episode seems to be that by successfully pulling Babylon 4 back in time, the crew has averted the Shadow attack on Babylon 5 in eight days, in which Ivanova sends out the distress call heard in part one. Does that mean that Sinclair's flashforward to the firefight aboard B5 has also been averted? What about Lady Ladira's vision of the destruction of Babylon 5? ("Signs and Portents") If all those glimpses of the future are no longer true, how much validity do the remaining ones have? Each of them could be from a completely different possible future, none of which will end up ever taking place. What is Londo's "keeper?" Who gave it to him? What exactly is it forcing him to do, and why? The fact that it's invisible when awake suggests that it's associated with the Shadows, who have mastered the art of invisibility. |
How did Sinclair get the chrysalis machine? Did the Vorlons supply it? It seemed to do a much more thorough job on Sinclair than it did on Delenn; in appearance, at least, Valen was a pure Minbari, not half-human. "Re: the Chrysalis device...it came from Epsilon 3. There was one shot that should've been made more of, where we see a long box with a silver triangle on one side being set up, and left. Unfortunately, the shot didn't make much of it (you can see Zathras putting it out there), and a later shot we dropped showing it again because it wasn't properly featured and you couldn't really tell what it was. There was so much in this episode that had to be pulled off, in a short amount of time, that sometimes things in the background don't get framed as they might be. But that's where it came from: from Epsilon 3 to Sinclair to Delenn, who still has it. " |
Just finishing up with Season 5 on Sci-Fi :(
Can anyone tell me if any of the books deal with the Spoiler:
I already ordered the Centauri trilogy based on xVladx's answer above. If the answer to this question is "yes", I guess I'll have to get the whole set. :D I'm pretty sure I have the original run of books from several years ago, but none of the recent trilogies...... |
Originally posted by Chew Just finishing up with Season 5 on Sci-Fi :( Can anyone tell me if any of the books deal with the Spoiler:
I already ordered the Centauri trilogy based on xVladx's answer above. If the answer to this question is "yes", I guess I'll have to get the whole set. :D I'm pretty sure I have the original run of books from several years ago, but none of the recent trilogies...... Certain details are left dangling, but there's a lot more closure than the series gives, especially with two of the characters. Hope that actually makes sense, and wasn't TOO vague :). |
Originally posted by xVladx Hope that actually makes sense, and wasn't TOO vague :). Of course, here you go spending more of my money 'cause it looks like I have to buy all the books now. :) |
Today's Episode: Walkabout
Lyta tests the limits of the Shadows' newly-discovered weakness. Dr. Franklin goes on a journey to discover his place in life, and meets a singer in Downbelow. The new Ambassador Kosh arrives on the station. It's clear that Lyta believes, based on her vision, that Sheridan may hold part of Kosh within him. What that means -- for Sheridan, for Lyta, and for Kosh -- remains to be seen. In "All Alone in the Night," Kosh tells Sheridan, "I have always been here." Could he perhaps have been referring to Sheridan's mind, implying that Sheridan has carried a piece of Kosh for quite some time? Telepathic control over Shadow ships is tenuous at best, and may be limited to preventing them from attacking; the three ships being held by the Minbari telepaths were free to flee the scene when G'Kar and the others arrived. Every sentient race, according to G'Kar, has food resembling Swedish meatballs. The Narn call it "breen." Since the Vorlons have manipulated all the younger races, perhaps Swedish meatballs are really a Vorlon delicacy, part of an intricate plan to defeat the Shadows through culinary unity. |
Originally posted by Chew Vague enough not to be a spoiler and still answer my question at the same time, thanks. :up: Of course, here you go spending more of my money 'cause it looks like I have to buy all the books now. :) Just don't hold me responsible for the quality of the CP trilogy, if it's not that good :). I actually haven't read it yet. The only way I knew the answer to your earlier question was that I asked the same one on a different board a while ago, and someone told me that the CP trilogy answers it. However, I have read the Psi Corps books, as well as The Shadow Within, and all of them are pretty darn good. The Shadow Within especially, as it casts one of the characters in the series in a vastly different light. |
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