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Rogue588 10-02-03 01:14 AM

totally forgot about this tonite..

oh well..

Groucho 10-02-03 05:56 AM

Bear in mind that the pilot is based on an Elmore Leonard short story that takes place before "Out of Sight." In fact, the events of this episode are mentioned in Out of Sight: Karen's relationship with Carl Wilkens and how she "shot him when the time came."

It was great to see Benito Martinez as "The Smarmy FBI Guy." :lol:

PalmerJoss 10-02-03 07:24 AM

I thought it was excellent. Seeing Carla Gugino as Karen Sisco made me forget all about J.Lo, and Robert Forster was excellent--just as good as Dennis Farina was in Out of Sight. I loved the guest stars--Patrick Dempsey was wonderful, and Benito Martinez was hilarious! I loved seeing him play a real creep of an FBI agent.

From what I've read, the episode that was on last night was NOT the pilot--it was the second episode, and the pilot will be broadcast as the third episode.

Patman 10-02-03 07:44 AM

A good start, though I thought the pacing was a little slow at times. I look forward to more of this show. And amen to watching this show in HD. :)

B.A. 10-02-03 08:00 AM


Originally posted by Groucho
Bear in mind that the pilot is based on an Elmore Leonard short story that takes place before "Out of Sight." In fact, the events of this episode are mentioned in Out of Sight: Karen's relationship with Carl Wilkens and how she "shot him when the time came."
Well, if that's the case then I feel much, much better about the plot since I never read the short that the credit at the beginning of the ep. It's been about a year since I last read Out of Sight, so I can't remember the specific reference to Carl Wilkins.

Patman 10-02-03 08:10 AM

Anyone think Gary Cole is going to have good chemistry with Carla Gugino?

Groucho 10-02-03 08:24 AM


Originally posted by Patman
Anyone think Gary Cole is going to have good chemistry with Carla Gugino?
Ahh, that would be terrific, yeah.

Josh Z 10-02-03 09:42 AM

Fabulous episode. Looked amazing in HD too.

I will watch every episode of this show until ABC cancels it, which will probably be soon given that it is actually pretty good and ABC just can't keep decent shows on their network.

Geofferson 10-02-03 09:44 AM


Originally posted by MrX
I wonder if Acevada is going to have that horrible mustache when The Shield comes back in January:lol:
:lol: yeah, no kidding.

I thought the pilot last night was ok. Nothing to write home about. I'll watch it for a few more weeks to give it a chance - that is unless it gets Maximum Bob syndrome.

veloce 10-02-03 10:01 AM

I was underwhelmed. Nothing was awful, nothing was great, though I think there's some interesting casting. Since the episode storyline was so similar to the movie OUT OF SIGHT (I have read neither the book nor "Karen Makes Out"), it just paled. The clever dialogue wasn't as clever, the locale less distinct, the usual stuff that drops when a feature becomes a tv series (though I don't expect everything to be MASH or Buffy when that happens).

There's enough other stuff on I like better or think has more potential.

veloce 10-02-03 10:07 AM


Originally posted by Matt Millheiser
Wow. Ocean Drive looks awfully similar to Santa Monica... :rolleyes:
That really distracted me too. Maybe somewhere in Miami looks like the edge of the incline, but it took me right out of it. How much of this do they actually shoot in Miami? Just exteriors and pickups like West Wing in D.C., or what?

Cheddarmuff 10-02-03 10:13 AM

I say :up: :up: to Karen Sisco...she is pretty hot and i like her dad's character...

slop101 10-02-03 10:25 AM

My one-word review:

meh...

Hokeyboy 10-02-03 12:35 PM


Originally posted by veloce
That really distracted me too. Maybe somewhere in Miami looks like the edge of the incline, but it took me right out of it. How much of this do they actually shoot in Miami? Just exteriors and pickups like West Wing in D.C., or what?
Looks like it. They did shoot some exteriors around town (the McArthur Causeway, the "Key West" scene (actually Coconut Grove), the parking lot scenes (you can see The Miami Herald building in the background), and a little bit on Ocean Drive. But man, for some reason that Santa Monica background really cheesed my groin.

As far as the show: I liked it, but it didn't blow my socks off. However, the cast was extremely solid and as it was only the first episode, I'll stick around for a few more.

Patman 10-02-03 01:10 PM

Forster's hair plugs always look strange to me.

Dr. DVD 10-02-03 01:24 PM

Thought it was a good debut, give it some time and it might become a great show.

DVD.guy 10-02-03 02:01 PM

Althought it got a bit slow at time I still liked it. :thumbsup:

movieking 10-02-03 03:41 PM

I liked it as well, as I did with the pilot. Although she is not too bad to look at, her father is the best part of the show, as far as I am concerned.

Face/Off 10-02-03 03:46 PM

So who's getting cast as Ray Nicolette?

B.A. 10-02-03 03:47 PM


Originally posted by Face/Off
So who's getting cast as Ray Nicolette?
Michael Keaton isn't exactly busy at the moment, so maybe... ;)

Dr. DVD 10-02-03 04:00 PM

Robert Forster definitely stole the show, I would look for him to get an Emmy nom within the next two years if the show survives.

Boot 10-02-03 04:21 PM

Well most of you pretty much echoed my feelings. The pacing was definitely slow. I found myself looking at the clock a few times, which is never a good sign. However, there was a certain something there -- perhaps it was style, perhaps the actors, perhaps just a hope based on the creators -- that makes me want to give it a chance. I'll definitely check it out again, but as of this moment, it seems a bit overrated by the critics. Hopefull I'll find my opinion changed over the coming weeks.

bigdogkt2003 10-02-03 04:31 PM

Hey Movieking It was the pilot!

Face/Off 10-02-03 06:20 PM


Originally posted by B.A.hist
Michael Keaton isn't exactly busy at the moment, so maybe... ;)
I'm thinking they'd go for someone who is an established TV face... David Duchovny, Robert Patrick, Chris Noth... maybe Mark Harmon if his show doesn't survive...

Of course, since Harmon is George Clooney 10 years earlier, he can be her love interest during the "Out Of Sight" years.

Geofferson 10-04-03 05:58 PM


Originally posted by Boot
Well most of you pretty much echoed my feelings. The pacing was definitely slow. I found myself looking at the clock a few times, which is never a good sign. However, there was a certain something there -- perhaps it was style, perhaps the actors, perhaps just a hope based on the creators -- that makes me want to give it a chance. I'll definitely check it out again, but as of this moment, it seems a bit overrated by the critics. Hopefull I'll find my opinion changed over the coming weeks.
Ditto that. I was not all that impressed with the pilot, but will give it a chance because it does have the market cornered in terms of style. Plus, Robert Forster stole every scene he was in, so I'll look forward to watching him as he's always good.

pezboy 10-08-03 09:34 PM

Karen Sisco 10/8
 
Had to post during the break on how awesome this episode is!

LOVE the second Elmore Leonard reference in 2 episodes--When DeVito's bodyguard ("Gas man" from Dumb and Dumber) said one of the strippers was Momo's girlfriend. Momo was a character in "Get Shorty"

This show has its shiznit together.

B.A. 10-08-03 10:21 PM

From the previews during the week, I thought tonight's ep might be a let-down, but I have to admit - it's quite good and goofy in a few parts.

I absolutely love Carla Gugino - she is perfect for this role.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/karensis...60_ep102_4.jpg
http://abc.go.com/primetime/karensis...0_gugino_2.jpg

MrX 10-08-03 10:47 PM

I liked this episode alot more then last weeks.

Hopefully Devito's character will be back again.

Patman 10-09-03 12:19 AM

So the alumni from "24" show up as the dumbest pair of brothers on this side of the Mississippi in a long while.

While, the episode was fun and light, I get the idea that Karen seems either too confident, or too blase about tracking down criminals, maybe I just feel she doesn't give them the respect they deserve.

BDB 10-09-03 12:50 AM

This was a fun episode, and as a direction I like the show being more light hearted,

Buck Turgidson 10-09-03 01:08 AM

I've really liked both of the episodes we've seen so far. A nice blend of drama and comedy. The vibe is very Leonardesque and very reminiscent of The Rockford Files, two big pluses from my seat.

(I loved the stripper in the background. Not exactly enthusiastic during the afternoon show :lol: )

This show got heavy brain points the first week when Karen showed up with a grocery bag, NOT containing those cliches beloved of dull-witted prop masters: a protruding bagette and/or green leafy carrot tops.

Groucho 10-09-03 07:38 AM

Great episode, a lot better than last week. I imagine Danny DeVito will return...he is an executive producer for the show. (The real question...when will he do "The Simpsons" again?)

I'm quite impressed with the show, although the promos are horrid. At they aren't spoiler-packed.

Fielding Mellish 10-09-03 08:03 AM

This show is tight. Last night's ep felt a little more Leonard-esque.

And Carla Gugino's Karen leaves Ms. Lopez in the dust.

Dr. DVD 10-09-03 08:27 AM

Last night's episode was worlds better than last week's, and last week's was pretty good IMO.

I totally agree with Carla Gugino leaving J-Lo in the dust; Carla totally owns that character and I am now wishing that they could find a way to go back and edit her into all of the shots with Lopez in the movie.
The teaser for next week doesn't look too great, but this show is good at not giving away too much so far and delivering the goods, hopefull it stays that way!

B.A. 10-09-03 08:33 AM


Originally posted by Fielding Mellish
And Carla Gugino's Karen leaves Ms. Lopez in the dust.
What's funny is that I loved Jennifer Lopez as Karen Sisco, especially considering that it's her only good role to date, but Carla Gugino is definitely proving that she is the superior person for the role.

Good Call, F.M. :up:

Cheddarmuff 10-09-03 08:39 AM

They should have called those guys the brothers stupid...all i want is that nice......doublewide.. :lol:

Geofferson 10-09-03 08:59 AM

Loved last night's episode. Much better than the pilot, IMO.

Josh Z 10-09-03 12:28 PM

I love everything about this show. I love it so much that I want Steven Soderbergh to shoot new footage with Carlo Gugino and digitally insert it into Out of Sight over J.Lo.

PacMan2006 10-09-03 01:31 PM

Who was the "alumni" from '24' in this show?

Patman 10-09-03 01:42 PM

On 24: Season 2 - Gary (the creepy guy who killed his wife, and had Kim as a babysitter) was one of the brothers (the "smart" one), and the Mountain Man dude (with the fallout shelter/cellar)that Kim was rescued by (from the famous mountain lion) was played by the "dumber" brother (Kevin Dillon).


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