After taking some time to think about the finale, and reading the last few pages of this thread, I think this scenario summarizes why so many people, myself included, were upset at the jury. Way too many in the game thought Matt was stupid, crazy, and couldn't play the game. So when he proves all of them wrong and gets to the final two, they are simply jealous and upset. They voted in spite, not for any other logical reason. That is why Rob and Dave voted the way they did, and probably Deena as well. And even though Alex would have voted for Jenna anyways, his obvious envy and jealousy continued to come out up until the end. If the vote had been closer, or at least made some more sense, i.e., people not voting simply out of spite, I think most people would accept the outcome of Jenna as the winner. Sadly, that was not the case.

Let's just call a spade a spade: Dave's a dumbass.

I really think Dave would've voted for Jenna no matter what they answered. In fact, I don't think any of the jury were swayed by that inane question and answer period. I don't remember all of the questions, but here's a few:

Christy: asked Jenna why she thought beauty was a handicap, and Jenna gave an ok answer. asked Matt what he thought of her when he found out she was deaf, and Matt answered that it didn't matter that much to him (which from the footage we've seen, seems true). Winner seems to be Matt, but she votes for Jenna.

Alex: Asks about dishonesty, and says in private that he will determine who he'll vote for based on the person who can be most honest about how dishonest they were. Matt answers the question, then later admits pretty much word for word what Alex had wanted. But Alex has a chip on his shoulder, and votes for Jenna.

Deena: Asks Matt what he meant by "may the best man win" Matt answers that he thought the game was wrapped up by the men. Really, what could he say based on that "question" to convince Deena to vote for him?

Heidi: asks who's more deserving. Expects Jenna to say her name. But at least she admitted beforehand that she was already set.

It's a few days later, and I'm still flabbergasted by the result of this show. Perhaps Jenna was more congenial and friendly than we saw, and Matt rubbed people the wrong way. I know they want to fool people, but they should have at least shown bits and pieces of Jenna's good side, before the final episode. It seemed like Matt knew he was going to lose, and didn't even seem that emotional when it happened...

Very true.

Also, the bigger your foot the harder it will be.
The perch they all stand on is the same size.
The smaller your foot is the less will off and it will be easier to maintain your balance.

This gives a huge advantage to women, who have smaller feet than men.

I don't think there was any bits and pieces of Jenna's good side...

"Heidi, who's more deserving of boob implants: pretty girls or ugly girls, and why?"

Here's a question? From the Howard Stern interview, both Jenna & Rob thought that Heidi slept with Alex.

Me thinks that she slept with Dave too. Does anybody think that she slept with anyone else as well?

Sorry, she's a ho-ho. How anyone would wanna have sex when everyone's personal hygiene is so nasty is beyond me.

Heidi-Ho!

Ta-ta!

Her and Jenna were so gushy-gush with over-the-top love and affection for each other I thought they should just do it and get it over with...

Anyone think Jenna and Heidi slattered all that peanut butter and chocolate (from getting nekkid) on each other's bodies and licked it all off?

I mentioned this unfairness earlier in the thread. I do have one correction for you, though. Kelly won the balance challenge late in contest (I think she voted off Sean). The final challenge was the "All hands on the idol" challenge which wasn't really a balance challenge, but she won that one too. One common thread, Richard wimped out of both challenges. Obviously it didn't matter.

Just wanted to say Rob played the best this season . The only reason why he lost is because Christy didnt say who she was voting for(even tho it was Jenna). This is why Richard Hatch is the best overall player, Hatch knew that the Doctor was going to vote by the ABC. Rob panic and voted out Christy. tisk tisk So the way I see it, Rob beat himself.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If you don't get to the final two then you aren't the "best player".

Taking that logic a bit further I guess you think that the best player was Jenna. Well I don't buy it. As in virtually every game the best player does not always win and in this case the best player doesn't always make the final two. After the reunion show it was obvious who the best player was. During questioning during of the final 2 both Jenna and Matt said that Rob deserved to be there. And at the reunion show both recognized Rob as the superior player and said that they felt Rob would have beaten them in the vote.

Basically the only reason why Rob wasn't in the final 2 was that Jenna could keep her balance longer the him. I'm sorry but that doesn't make Rob any less worthy of being this season's best player on Survivor.

Not at all. I'm just saying that you definitely aren't the "best player" if you can't make the final two.

If Rob was the "best player" he'd have gotten Jenna to choose him somehow. Richard Hatch convinced Kelly to pick him in the first season. For that matter if Rob was so good he wouldn't have needed Matthew to carry him into the final four. He also would have stayed on that log or at least won a challenge at some point near the end. Rob didn't do anything but switch to the majority a lot and get lucky.

Kelly picked Richard because she thought she had a better shot against him than Rudy. I think it was the right move.

You make it sound like switching to the majority is easy. One - you have to figure out who the majority is because it is constantly changing. Two - you still have to keep your head off the chopping block, which Rob somehow did after numerous switches.

I posted this in another thread too, but I am curious:

I have a few questions about Survivor...

1.) Does anyone know how much each place gets paid?
I know it's $1,000,000 for first, and $100,000 for second, but what about the rest?

2.) What's their filming timeline? i.e. when do they finish filming vs. show it on tv? Is the action totally finished, then they edit the hell out of it, then show it on tv? Or are they showing episode one while filming episode, say, 12?

I want to say it goes down $10K each place you move down at least through the jury members. The non-jury members probably all get the same payoff or maybe nothing.

I am almost positive that the whole 39 days are completed before they show any of it on television.

I think last time Probst was back to do the Thailand reunion show right after filming Amazon, so they do it a season in advance at least. It's easier to edit it when you know the outcome, too.

You don't get his logic then. By removing his hand from the pole, he guaranteed himself a spot in the final 2. Rudy was loyal and would take him to the final, Kelly would not take Rudy, because he was so liked = Either of them win, Richard goes. Plus he knew he wouldn't have won against Rudy, so he didn't need to go back on his word to Rudy about going to the end with him.

Rob wasn't the best player. Rob knew the most about the strategies of Survivor and player fairly well. I would say either of the final two were better players.

I agree that Rob wasn't the best. The last 2 people always deserve to be where they are. Through strategy, alliances, physical strength, or whatever reason, 2 people make it to the final vote, and those people always deserve to make it because overall, they have played in a way that allowed them to "survive". Making it to the final 2 usually requires a balance. People who are dominating in physical challenges, game strategy, etc get voted out because they are a threat to win. This backs up what other people said about the winner being second or third best. Anybody who plays the game now should be aware of this fact, and play accordingly.

I'm still having problems accepting that Neleh and Vecepia were the best players of that season (Marquesas).

You are contradicting yourself. First you say that the final 2 are the best 2 players then you say the the winner can actually be the third best player.

I still contend that like in most games the best player/team does not always win and in this case make it to the final 2. In quite a few of these survivors luck has played a big role in certain people making it to the final 2. Their strategy has nothing to do with it. They simply got lucky and aligned themselves with a good player and road that player's coattails to the end.

I know that some will say that their stategy was to align themselves with this person but in actuality it was simply luck in many cases.

Rob was the best player in this past survivor, hands down.

I did not say that the final 2 were the best, I said they deserved to be there. I agree that the best people (strategically, physically, etc) do not usually (there have been exceptions) make the final 2, and I agree that Rob was the best "strategist" of the game. But the reason he was not deserving of being in the final 2 was because when the time came for him to step up and win immunity, he didn't. It is not easy to get to the final to, and Rob proved that strategy alone wasn't good enough this season. Generally, the best people are voted out because they are threats. I think that after this many seasons, players have to know that being dominant, physically, mentally, strategically, whatever, often backfires because the other players will vote them out. I maintain that if a player figures out a way to get into the final 2, he/she deserves to be there. The combination of skills it takes to get to the final 2 changes each season.

And I don't think luck plays too big of a role, at least as far as alliances are concerned. In the beginning, players align themselves with people, having had little chance to assess the other players' skills, personalities, etc. But as the game goes on, and people discover each other's strengths and weaknesses it becomes more clear who in the game would be a good partner, and who does not have much to offer. You have the choice to continue an original alliance or abandon it. Whether or not it is luck or skill at picking the right alliances is debatable.