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Deftones 05-06-03 11:46 PM


Originally posted by Mittman
Wait a second . . .

Spoiler:
Kate is in a bubble bath? She sent the guard home? I thought she was supposed to be going back to CTU to be with her Dad. Does anyone else think they might be setting up Kate to be in on it as well. I mean this just sounds a little fishy.

Well, she is confirmed to be back for next season, however they could bring her back in the
Spoiler:
same capacity as Nina

PalmerJoss 05-07-03 06:35 AM

You know what would be the best plot twist of all? If the Cypress recordings WEREN'T faked and are real and Alex Hewitt is just somebody Sherry Palmer hired to take the fall for everything she's done(although I do believe Sherry is planning on stabbing him in the back the second she's in the clear).

edstein 05-07-03 07:34 AM

Anyone else think Kim may have some trouble explaining why the cop and the father were both killed with the cop's gun? One shot to the father could be self defense, two shots may look premeditated.

Patman 05-07-03 07:38 AM

Another very entertaining hour of 24. I let out a little cheer when Sherrie got stabbed because it's ironic since she's a backstabbing lil' beeyotch herself. She deserved whatever pain/death she gets for her role in this whole ordeal.

Kim's gonna get her own show if she keep listening to her dad, mad props to Kim for actually listening and doing what needed to be done. If that doesn't rank high in father-daughter bonding on TV, nothing will!

(Of course, I also wonder what was the urgency to go to Gary's house to pick up her stuff in the early morning hours, that was just plot-driven writing, with no real logic applied to it. Will we find out if Gary had anything to do with the plot to overthrow Palmer now?)

Man, I want to see Mike fry for his role in all of this as well. Palmer will take care of the Secret Service guy who helped him.

I figured that Tony would have to take out Chappelle for a few hours given the change in the command structure. Glad Tony and Michelle are having some good character building moments. Would not mind seeing the tattletale get busted down to data-entry clerk for her role "this day".

I had to laugh when Jack called Kate and she was in a bubble bath. She far too relaxed to not be in on something sinister. I'd be happy if she was "clean", but that's just whacked to be taking a bubble bath at that time (shower, sure, but bubble bath?)

lisadoris 05-07-03 07:45 AM

Two shots wouldn't necessarily look premediated, Kim doesn't have to mention that she waited to shoot him the second time. Two shots back to back given that she was scared sh*tless would be believable. Plus the dad's prints might still be on the gun (there's no reason to believe he wiped it I think he planned on taking it with him) plus he should still have gun powder on his hands from firing. Okay, I think I've been watching Law & Order for way too long!

Anyway, I too wish Jack had advised Kim to shoot herself when it was all finished but alas, that wasn't meant to be. There are only two more episodes left so maybe, just maybe she can stay away from terrorists, psychotic fathers, and hungry wildlife for the next couple hours.

Nice to see Sherry get stabbed, we didn't see her die though and if it's one thing this show teaches us it's that you have to work really hard to kill someone on this show. I'm still holding to my one wish that the final shot of the season is david pulling out a can of whoop a$$ on Mike. He wasn't this slimy in the first season but now he's just ugh.

By the way, what happened to Nina? Does anyone know if she's going to be back this season or is that loose end just going to stay flapping in the wind?

Patman 05-07-03 07:53 AM

When Sherri was saying "Help me" I was thinking "As if!"

Nazgul 05-07-03 07:55 AM


By the way, what happened to Nina? Does anyone know if she's going to be back this season or is that loose end just going to stay flapping in the wind? [/B]
I have a feeling we may see her again this season....

Wizdar 05-07-03 08:13 AM

“Honey, I would never lie to you.”

:lol:

shaggybrown 05-07-03 08:29 AM

Why exactly, are Apple computers so prominent in Television and in the movies anyways? If you believed Holywoood, then you would think everyone in the country is using some form of an Apple product.

bralph 05-07-03 08:34 AM

My bet is that Sherry told Alex to stab her, thinking he could then escape while Jack helped her.

neiname 05-07-03 09:11 AM


Originally posted by lisadoris
Okay, I think I've been watching Law & Order for way too long!

CSI???

lisadoris 05-07-03 09:48 AM


Originally posted by neiname
CSI???
I don't watch CSI but I'm guessing the principle would hold up.

Nazgul, I hope you're right and we do see Nina again this season. I can add her to the list of characters that deserve a beat down.

bralph, that's an interesting idea that I hadn't thought of. But Sherry had to know that Jack would go after the hacker instead of her. Avert a war and save thousands of lives or save this one person that's been lying from the getgo. Still, I wouldn't put it past her.

TK-421 05-07-03 10:43 AM

Speaking of Nina..

What the heck ever happened to that German woman she was talking to in the last episode of Season 1? She said she didn't work for Drazen, but for someone else... It doesn't look like that "someone else" has anything to do with this bomb. Nina just sold info about CTU to the bomb people for future "currency" in any deals as far as I can remember.

Season 3 info perhaps?

Trelach24 05-07-03 11:27 AM


Originally posted by lisadoris
Two shots wouldn't necessarily look premediated, Kim doesn't have to mention that she waited to shoot him the second time. Two shots back to back given that she was scared sh*tless would be believable
Wouldn't the forensics or whoever people check the angles of the shots and all? I was paying close attention to this and I'm pretty sure it would be pretty easy for them to see that she shot him while he was getting up and then again while he was lying down.

I dunno. I don't even watch those crime shows.

slop101 05-07-03 11:29 AM

This is the first time that I was actually fine with the Kim thing - last night she actually did something smart (hides, lies in wait, hits him in the head, calls dad for wisdom, does as she's told). It almost made me forget that she told the cop to wait for her outside. What I don't get is how the ***** would a president's own cabinet vote him out of office - this is his own personal, hand-picked staff who owe him EVERYTHING and would under even lesser circumstances die for him. I'm supposed to believe that his greatest allies will vote him out for practically nothing? bah!!!

RolloTomasi 05-07-03 12:34 PM

Well, first, just because the president appointed them doesn't mean they are all hunky-dory. In many cases, there are political reasons for appointing a certain person to a cabinet position. And it's not like they will follow his every whim - cabinets are very contentious.

And if you saw the president having someone tortured and electrocuted, then ranting about someone tampering with the tapes, while delaying military strikes (which the vice-president always stressed [vp]WOULD COST TENS OF THOUSANDS OF AMERICAN LIVES[/vp]) for a tenuous piece of evidence that sounds like it comes from Oliver Stone, and which finally doesn't materialize after the VP so graciously waits, you might question whether the President was fit for this crisis.

Except for the accelerated speed of the war/removal and Cabinet Vote-a-Matic 2.0, that part has probably been one of the more plausible events of the season.

breaux124 05-07-03 01:07 PM

I'd like to see Kate shoot Nina... and while she's got the gun she might as well shoot Kim too. :D

uteotw 05-07-03 03:16 PM

I thought it was pretty good, and while I'm glad Gary's dead (and we ALL knew he'd be there since Kim was, oh-so-wisely going back there), I had some problems with the shooting part.

He was lying there unconscious and starting to move. OK. But unless he was about to attack/kill Kim, shooting him twice in the chest is homicide. Why couldn't she have shot him in the kneecaps and dialed 911? Am I glad he's dead? Yes--he was a childbeater and wifekiller--he SHOULD be dead. But having Kim kill a 90% unconscious person just troubled me, and if she tells the truth about what happened she would be charged of a crime.

I sure hope we get to see Nina again in the last 2 episodes, and I hope both Mike & Sherry get everything they deserve...

greydt 05-07-03 03:38 PM


Originally posted by uteotw

He was lying there unconscious and starting to move. OK. But unless he was about to attack/kill Kim, shooting him twice in the chest is homicide. Why couldn't she have shot him in the kneecaps and dialed 911? Am I glad he's dead? Yes--he was a childbeater and wifekiller--he SHOULD be dead. But having Kim kill a 90% unconscious person just troubled me, and if she tells the truth about what happened she would be charged of a crime.


There's no doubt this was deliberate. Think of it from Jack's POV:

1) It's his daughter, and he doesn't want any chances taken.
2) Shooting someone in the kneecaps is not exactly easy to do...esp. with Kim, who's probably not that proficient with firearms (the prior car window not withstanding ;) ). Body = biggest target.
3) As we saw from Jack himself, never under-estimate a person being "down"...even in death ;)

If Jack was there himself, he'd have disarmed Gary and rendered him unconcious in seconds. Since it was just Kim by herself, no chances taken: shoot to kill.

movieking 05-07-03 03:47 PM

It was self defense. He killed two people within 22 hours, and he tried to kill her. It was justified in her frame of mind.

Wizdar 05-07-03 03:52 PM

Doesn’t really matter. This year they’ll be handing out presidential pardons by email using a spam list…

uteotw 05-07-03 04:35 PM

It was NOT self-defense. He was NOT coming at her and she was not in immediate danger of serious injury or death. Shooting someone in the kneecaps or anywhere in the leg is NOT that hard when you are 3 feet from the person and the person is lying there unconscious. Kim is OK with a gun and she hit the chest just fine both times. He was just barely starting to move, so for her to move in a step or two and fire a couple of rounds into his legs would not have been that difficult. I'm not saying I don't think he should be dead; I'm just saying you can't legally shoot and kill a person who is not at that moment attacking you and call it self-defense. Right or wrong, that's the law. (I'm also not saying the show is 100% accurate otherwise--e.g. Super Jack--or that I want it to be; I just didn't like this particular part.)

CCGoldRush 05-07-03 05:18 PM

Not self-defense? He starts to rise, and she screams and falls back. Now, if she didn't feel threatened, she sure had a strange way of expressing confidence.

uteotw 05-07-03 06:33 PM


Originally posted by CCGoldRush
Not self-defense? He starts to rise, and she screams and falls back. Now, if she didn't feel threatened, she sure had a strange way of expressing confidence.
Right, not self-defense. He barely moved. He was just barely regaining consciousness. "Feeling" threatened is not enough. The force has to be reasonable under the circumstances, and you basically have to prove you had no choice but to respond as you did (at least that's what they taught us in law school). I'm not saying she was "confident." I'm just saying he was not, at the moment(s) she shot him, threatening her with immediate serious bodily harm or death. She could have run out instead of dialing up her dad (but this is, after all, Kim we're talking about) or she could have used lesser force. AGAIN, I'm glad the guy's dead, but unless she fudges her story a bit, she'd be in a certain amount of trouble. That is all.

leepyswetr 05-07-03 06:42 PM

He came after her with a gun. It was certainly self-defense. Plus, Jack will take care of it. He's obviously not very "low on the food chain," despite Lady McPalmer's claim.


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