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Old 04-30-03, 07:03 AM
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Angel 04/30/03

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Spoiler:
While Lorne, Wesley, Fred and Gunn are being held captive in the hotel basement, Angel finds himself in Jasmine's native dimension. There he encounters a High Priest and a giant demon, who can reveal Jasmine for who she really is. However, Angel must kill the priest and behead the demon in order to bring the head back to Los Angeles.

Meanwhile, Jasmine is preparing for a giant broadcast to the world, where she will declare peace. She refuses to tell Connor where Cordelia is and orders him to guard Angel's crew. Instead, he sneaks off to a nearby church and finds Cordelia lying unconcious.

When Angel arrives back in Los Angeles, he brings out the head and Jasmine becomes a bug-demon. All of her followers and Angel try to kill her, but it is Connor who finally ends her existence, allowing a lot of pain to be released back into the world. The Senior Partners of Wolfram and Hart like what they see and send Lilah to plan a meeting with Angel Investigations.


Only the season finale left after this, hopefully not the series finale.
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It was already renewed...
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Originally posted by Max Fischer
It was already renewed...
Although I hear the news is looking up, not even the official Renew Angel site says the show is coming back for sure next year. I know AICN says it will, but I think we need a few more sources.

Care to share where you heard that?
Old 04-30-03, 09:18 PM
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Angel is already cracking me up this episode - "So what? You're the Keeper's keeper?". This show is best when they make him a total wiseass.

Dammit - Conner isn't dead yet.
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Well, I asked this a few weeks ago:

I was just screaming at the screen the whole time there. I knew the blood thing wouldn't work... Jasmine already shares Connor's AND Cordy's blood. Why would Cordy's blood fix Connor if Connor's own blood wouldn't?
I guess I finally got my answer to that question.
Old 04-30-03, 10:21 PM
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WOW... great episode... I can't wait to see the finale next week... it is going to be spectacular... and that ending... BOOM!

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Yeah, tonight's show definitely kicked ass - the best ep in quite some time.

Spoiler:
To verify - how did Conner kill Jasmine again? Did he just put his fist through the back of her head or what? Did I miss something that made it so easy?
Somebody please help...and what was the preview for next week, 'cause I missed that, too. Thanks.
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Originally posted by bahist17
Yeah, tonight's show definitely kicked ass - the best ep in quite some time.

Spoiler:
To verify - how did Conner kill Jasmine again? Did he just put his fist through the back of her head or what? Did I miss something that made it so easy?
Somebody please help...and what was the preview for next week, 'cause I missed that, too. Thanks.
No spoilers are needed, since this thread is labelled for this week's episode.

I think you hit the nail on the head: Connor just put his fist through her. Really crappy special effects by the way: if you freeze frame it and go step by step, you can tell the point where they just used a Jasmine mock-up head and exploded it. The background even disappeared.

I believe the reason it was so easy for Connor to kill Jasmine is because Connor was her "parent." The gang focused on the fact that Cordelia could probably kill Jasmine; in my mind, if Cordelia could do it, then so could Connor, for the same reason. It's just that nobody expected Connor (Mr. She's-So-Lovely-With-Her-Maggots) to do it.
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never watched angel till a few weeks ago, is there anything i need to know about lilah?
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Woohoo, Lilah's back in some form

As far as what you need to know about her, she died a few weeks ago. She was a "lawyer "at Wolfram&Hart, the firm that's Angel's nemesis on the show. Her realtionship to angel and company is they don't like each other, but do cooperate with each other out sometimes, usually because they're one side is threatening the other . She was also involved with Wes before she died.

Great epsode. I'm glad Conner did something good. Can't wait for the finale.

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never watched angel till a few weeks ago, is there anything i need to know about lilah?
Oh, only a few minor things:

1) She's a lawyer for Wolfram & Hart.
2) She hates Angel with every fiber of her being.
3) She was balling Wesley.
4) Oh yeah, SHE'S DEAD!!!


Can't wait to find out how and why she's back.
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I'm guessing that Connor is going to have to kill himself to truly end Jasmine's life in this world. I believe she will come back next week. I don't think I need to spoiler tag that because I'm guessing without even having watched next week's teaser so I could be completely off base.
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Originally posted by spainlinx0
I'm guessing that Connor is going to have to kill himself to truly end Jasmine's life in this world. I believe she will come back next week. I don't think I need to spoiler tag that because I'm guessing without even having watched next week's teaser so I could be completely off base.
I think the Jasmine storyline is done.
Spoiler:
From the preview it looks like Lilah takes them to Wolfram&Hart.
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Bottom line is that it would not be a bad thing
if Connor died. Like in never to return. Ever.

As for the Jasmine thingy. Better if it never happened.
Totally disappointed here. Like in let down big time.

This show really does need a change. I really felt
like I was ripped off by this episode for some reason.
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I loved Lorne's reference about everything being "Night of the Comet weird."
I have been trying to find that movie showing for over a year now. Everybody always says how great of a B-Movie it is in all the DVD Talk threads, yet I can never seem to find it playing.
Oh, well. Maybe someday.
I thought this episode was great. Can't wait till next week.
I was so sure that was a stake I saw sticking out of Lila's neck a few weeks ago.
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Any chance that Lilah is really "The First" from Buffy?
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I wonder if they're really going to turn Angel human. Between the line that he says he's working on it and
Spoiler:
the shot in the preview of Angel not bursting into flames when Lilah pulled back the drapes
it sure looks like a possability.

Did anyone who watched Miracles catch the sign outside of the church? It read God Is Nowhere, I thought that was cool.
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Loved the episode. The attention to in-episode continuity made me happy (see: Jasmine expositioning that she was going to be out of mental contact with her followers while eating. Nicely explained why Connor was able to beat the crap out of her guards without drawing attention.), and this season really has moved along well. There've been numerous small arcs, three main villains, and quite a bit of character development.

I liked that Jasmine wasn't really evil. She's technically a superior being, so it's not much of a surprise that she'd consider mankind in desperate need of her guidance and assistance. It's also an added level of angst for Angel--He's sure he was doing the right thing now, but when things are bad in the future, he'll always have the nagging memory of what he helped take from the world.

I actually kind of felt for Connor in this episode. How messed up was his childhood, that Jasmine's true face didn't phase him in the slightest? Of course, his life now sucks more than ever. Luckily, the season is almost over, and he can do most of his self-pitying brooding off camera.

The next episode should be interesting, but I really hope that Lilah's not The First. Compared to Jasmine, The First really doesn't seem like much of a threat (It's incorporeal, for Pete's sake, and doesn't have any nifty powers at all.)
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I don't think Lilah's the first.
Spoiler:
In the preview she pulls back some curtains and the first can't touch anything.
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I'm guessing that Lilah is just like her former boss was, insofar that the contract with W&H is "forever", which, for her former boss (whose name I just cannot remember), also extended past death (I don't remember the episode name, but he appeared again when he took Angel on the elevator to the "bottom floor", which really just took him straight back to earth.). Dangit, what was his name?! Anyway, it's my guess that this Lilah isn't "alive" Lilah, but "after death" Lilah.
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Great episode tonight.

But, thought it was far too easy for Connor to kill Jasmine. I think they needed to show Connor having some "fatherly" power over Jasmine before he just punched her brains out.
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i'm still trying to figure out why cordy killed lilah in the first place. she was a great bad guy. and not bad to look at.
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Thanks for the clarification, CaptainMarvel.
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Quoth Chew <HR SIZE=1>But, thought it was far too easy for Connor to kill Jasmine. I think they needed to show Connor having some "fatherly" power over Jasmine before he just punched her brains out. <HR SIZE=1>


This annoyed me too. I can easily write off the ease with which he killed her as the implied power he had over her, but I still would have liked to see some visual evidence of it. I also couldn't help but laugh at the poor kid's craptacular acting in the soliloquy he delivered over Cordy's body at the church.

Overall, very good stuff though.

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Well, it was the first week I actually kinda liked Conner, but I don't expect it to last. I still think this season has been phenomenal. I have too many questions to even consider where this is going to end up. There were some great moments. I loved Gunn's tenacity on that cage. He has this knack of subtly showing what a bad ass he is. on and on and on... BIG this week. I'm still firmly in the palm of their hands. I just hope they make the crossover to Buffy believable, because right now I can't see where they will pull the motivation from. I love the Angel/Buffy relationship as much as anyone, but there is so much water under the bridge now that they might almost be strangers to each other... but maybe that will be the whole point.

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