Buffy 4/30 "Empty Places"
 

Wow, next week can't come soon enough. I really didn't expect that ending, but I guess they've been leading up to it for a while. I loved the scene in the basement during Act 1 with Anya and Andrew writing on the board, expecially him underlining "breakup sex" on the board.

Not a great episode, IMO. I have been really dissapointed with the last number of shows. It seems to be building to a bug finale, but it is taking too long to get there. Let's have more action, and less motivational speeches!

And didn't it seem like Buffy had laryngitis at the beginning of the show?

I noticed that too.

and btw, that deal with Andrew writing on the marker board was hilarious!

I thought it was a very strong episode. I look forward to the bug finale. And Faith seemed to have laryngitis last episode, at the Hospital with Willow.

I noticed that with Faith and Buffy as well. I liked Dirty Girls more overall. Not a whole lot really happened aside from Buffy getting kicked out of the club (though that is pretty big).

Does anyone know if the final two episodes are a two parter like the end of season two and three, or more like seasons five and six with no actual "to be continued" line at the end?

I thought it was a mediocre episode...until the last 10 minutes when it took a very serious turn. It was like "The Yoko Factor" played straight. Everyone who's been upset with Buffy's demeanor this season(and I'm one of them) will love what happens at the end.

Best moments(aside from the ending) were Anya's line about Xander and the Spike/Andrew conversation.

What band was playing at the Bronze?

I know we're supposed to feel all pitiful and sad for Buffy, but God almighty, her little general routine was getting tired.

Don't know how I felt about this ep..

[Well, Faith was :drool: as usual..& Spike & Andrew's conversation about Onion Blossoms :lol:..]

Am I missing something?
This episode airs tonight, right?

Anyways, it's good to see that this season went back to the more "fun" tone of year-one Buffy just like Joss promised. Like when Andrew was deceived into killing his best friend, or when Xander got his eye poked out, or when a SIT got killed and others got seriously injured - HA HA HA!!!

Bring on the laughs, ME!

The ending was awesome... I couldn't believe it... can't wait for the last few episodes...

MATT

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Originally posted by slop101
Anyways, it's good to see that this season went back to the more "fun" tone of year-one Buffy just like Joss promised. Like when Andrew was deceived into killing his best friend, or when Xander got his eye poked out, or when a SIT got killed and others got seriously injured - HA HA HA!!!

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:lol: I thought I was the only one that had a sense of humour..;)

Nerf Herder was playing at the bronze.

Cool...they do the theme, don't they?

I think that we are not supposed to like Buffy anymore. I mentioned this a few episodes ago, and it seems even more like it now...

And Buffy airs in Canada on Mondays, hence some people being able to see it first (not mentioning those with download fever though ;) )

Right. I think this is the first time they've appeared on the show, though I could be wrong.

No you are correct sir!

I wonder if Eliza Dushku smokes in real life? Her voice seemed a bit deeper on her recent Angel and Buffy episodes.

He actually said this?! That is something I've been missing in the show since season 6 (when they really started screwing up the characters, in my opinion)! I've been going back and watching some of my favorites from earlier seasons, and it just impresses on me how much I miss the "old" days when Buffy wasn't all grumpy, Xander and Anya were funny and got some actual screen time, Spike was all baddy, Giles did more than brood and worry, etc.. As much as I want to be enjoying season 7, it just isn't giving me the great feeling I think it should :(.

Of course, all of this is coming from someone that just started watching Buffy the day after last Christmas (finished seasons 1-7.5 in 26 days!), but I'm still a fan, right? :D

I've been wondering for the last two seasons now why they've kept that lame shot of Spike and Dawn (wearing a helmet) on the motorcycle in the opening credits. Tonight the joke finally paid off.

The scene with Spike and Andrew on the bike was hilarious.
"If you tell anyone about this I'll bite you":lol:

I thought it was good. I did find it hard to believe that Dawn would decide as quickly as she did that Buffy had to leave. After Buffy died for her you'd think Dawn would stick up for her.

Eliza:drool:

Great ending to a really so-so episode.

With so few episodes left they should all be spectacular. Really pull out all the stops with the writing. But no, we get tonights drivel, with only the big plot development at the very end.

Angel has me on the edge of my seat every night. And with Buffy I find myself getting up to do the dishes because I am bored.
Things had better get better.

This show hurts my head.

I liked the episode (it took time to let the characters be people, and not just plot devices), but it's hurt by all that came before it.

The biggest issue is the half-assed nature of the "Everybody's fleeing Sunnydale!" subplot. Why? Why, in the eight or ten episodes they wasted this season, couldn't we see what was going on that's demonstrably worse than everything that's happened before? There's nothing to explain the sudden exodus, and it's irritating.

And wasn't the Bronze just a little bit crowded for a town that's got so much off-camera strife that everyone's fleeing and the high school's been closed? Bah.

Other thoughts:

Spike is infinitely less annoying when he doesn't have camera time with Buffy. He was useful, relevant, and not once did I have to hear that "Spike has a soul! He's good! Soulsoulsoul!" I actually liked him during the Spike/Andrew scenes. I'm sure it'll only be temporary.

Anya's back! She's useful, and not at all into Buffy's defeatest mindset. It's nice to see somebody talk about the bad guys for a long period of time without saying "YOU'RE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!!1!!!!" 'Course, Kennedy shows up in the next scene to bring the gloom and doom to the forefront.

I liked the two scenes in this episode that related to people dealing with Xander's injury. I'll take any scene that demonstrates the long, enduring friendship between Willow and Xander, and the one in the hospital was really sweet. And Buffy, in her office, getting sniffly over the photo was a nice touch. She had emotions. About somebody who wasn't a bleach-blond vampire!

While I understand what they were going for at the end, it didn't work for me. Throwing Buffy out of the house, alone and unarmed, seemed extremely excessive. Exile her to her room, remove her from the decision making process, whatever. But chucking her out on the street was just dumb. I kind of wish Buffy had just proposed stealing some more military equipment, and bombing the vineyard. Not just a full-on assault-of-death. Instead, she proposes the dumbest course of action possible ("You know that recent slaughter? Let's do it again!"), and receives the most harsh punishment possible.

I actually liked the ending.

Most of this season, Dawn has been kind of in the background, the little sister who really had no part in anything. I thought, tonight, that Dawn had FINALLY grown up--Michelle did a great job of conveying her newfound self-reliance, which came out of Buffy ignoring her.

Buffy certainly is as annoying as ever. But to think, she's turning down being Buffy to be the new ditsy Daphne! Good career move, Sarah!

more like safe career move with a bigger paycheck. I refused to watch Scooby Doo simply because of SMG's husband and I guess it will be pretty easy to ignore the oh so coy, Scooby Too....wondering how long it will be before we see a proper film version of Buffy the Vampire Slayer?

The scene with Xander and Willow in the hospital bed was really heart breaking. The rest of the episode was a good mix of comedy and seriousness. Spike and Andrew made me laugh my @$$ off that was just too funny. :lol:

I sat there watching Buffy last night, and the show has become a numbing viewing experience.

Does Caleb possess the power to put suggestions in Buffy's head in order to send her into another ambush? Is this why it's a good thing that no one wanted to follow her back to the winery? There's no way Caleb could foresee that Buffy would be given the boot for her call to arms (part 2), is there?

Faith just stinks when she's surrounded by all that estrogen in the house. She was such a better character when she was on Angel. I still can't fathom why she had so much difficulty with those cops, she should have been able to dispatch them with ease, unless those cops had a power boost.

Poor Dawn, after all that's transpired, she finally had to choose someone else over Buffy. Doesn't this go back to "Conversations with Dead People"?

Willow and Xander's scene in the hospital was the only bit that rang true in the episode.

I know there was a lot of complaining every week during last season's episodes, but I would like to know why some people consider this season better. I've kind of been wondering all season like what slop101 just said.

This season seems to be the darkest, bleakest one yet. And the problems I have with it don't end there.

There are so many SITs that I can't keep track of them, and they all constantly whine worse than Dawn ever did. Every week the episodes feel like filler, and I keep waiting for some real pivotal action to take place. (Hopefully that finally happened with the way this episode ended tonight.)

At the risk of sounding like a whiney SIT, I have other gripes as well. Giles seems to disappear at times with no explanation. So many reruns interrupt the flow of this season, that its easy to forget or stop caring about what is happening. Another poster a while back indicated his dislike of Buffy these days because of the hypocritical nature of her refusing the power to possess her which would have allowed her to defeat this evil. I agree with others that Spike just isn't... well, SPIKE anymore.

I remember a lot of posts early on in the season exclaiming how great this year was for Buffy. I would be curious if those people still feel the same way. I'm just ready to accept the show is ending, because I'm "Episode I bored" with this story. (Ironically, if this season is somehow linked to Angel's, I couldn't be more excited every week with the way the latter is developing - and I wouldn't want to miss the next one under any circumstance. )

Funny though. I kept thinking last night how much more likeable Faith was compared to Buffy, then I ended up feeling guilty after the way things ended last night. Buffy's tears made me regret I had gotten my wish! (Yes - if you cry, I will back down from my position and turn into a complete wussy. :) )

I enjoyed that episode A LOT.
I think it's pretty interesting that the title character is being shown as being a questionable (and sometimes annoying) leader.
Damn, that's why I love the show so much.

Andrew kills me.

Plus, I cracked up when we found out that Clem drives a red VW beetle!

Ahhh, I'll miss Andrew's humor once this show is gone.

How about that? Both President Palmer and Buffy were removed from power Tuesday.

But, I'll enjoy watching Buffy's replacement a lot more......

Not a bad episode
Highlights:
Anya and Andrew - fun e.
Anya - great bare belly
Faith - great slut
Buffy - great dirty thoughts on how she lost her voice (Spike did imply she liked it dirty in an earlier episode)
Dawn - can't wait for her to do Playboy or better yet Embrace of the Vampire 2.

Yep, last night's show was a laugh riot!!!

Actually I laughed pretty hard at Andrew on the motorcycle, wearing a football helmet. But that was it.

Lots of dark humor at the beginning there - "Nobody can make me watch Jaws 3-D again" :)

I totally agree with the ending - Buffy had no strategy, esp. after the last disastrous attack. I'm not sure if its her judgement or the writers setting up for the finale. Kicking her out was the only thing they could do because I don't think she could have handled a demotion. Now, Faith gets to lead whether she wants to or not - this would make sense if they go with a 'Faith TVS' tv show.

So, 2 more episodes and then the finale?

the whole episode, save the last 10 minutes, felt like filler. nothing really moved the story along except spike's field trip.

and so it appears that caleb needs the sits for the final plan or something....that's what i believe was talking about when he said he planted the seed in buffy (ew).


cranky.

I dunno... I mean, by the end of the episode, Buffy was kicked out of her own house & removed from the leadership role. In order to do that, you needed to have some reason for the SITs to follow Faith (hence the trip to the Bronze & their fight with the cops) and you'd need to have examples of Buffy displaying her current attitude towards the SITs in front of Faith (which would be the scene with the newsclippings about Caleb). Without those two scenes, you wouldn't have the motivation for the SITs to follow Faith or the motivation of Faith to actually take (or, at least, accept) the lead.

The scene with Caleb was somewhat filler, but I'd wonder if the scene will end up paying off in a future episode (to show if she was right or wrong for wanting to go to the vineyard).

As much as I like the idea of Buffy being just plain wrong (I like the way her character has become almost unlikeable - that's kind of daring), and summarily cast out, I suspect she will somehow be redeemed by the series finale.

Though if she wasn't, that would REALLY be a cool way to end a series. Have the hero (and title character) be wrong, without the chance at redemption.


I still think the episode where Buffy was in a mental institution would have been a trippy way to end it too. That was a friggin' great one...

I agree, that would have been great - up there with newharts series finally!

Hmmm, who says it still can't? Maybe she wakes up again to her mother in the finale?

I too thought it was a great episode. Faith looked hotter than ever and the chemistry between Spike and Andrew was hilarious.
In terms of the ending, I really thought it was logical and knew that either Faith would not tolerate Buffy's crap and leave or Buffy would have everyone turn on her and embrace Faith as their leader once she tried the old "I'm the Slayer" argument.
Despite the fact that she has murdered, Faith is the tough-girl type that young ladies want to follow, and I admired the fact that they didn't make Buffy bitter of Faith but more or less encouraging of her to lead the girls. (Attempt at least.)

Some of you folks need to relax and step away from the TV, it's only a TV show. I know people want to see the same crap all over again, but I like this story line. It feels different. The last 10 minutes last night was intense, I felt so bad for Buffy. I have no idea what this is leading to, and I think that is a good thing.