Jlbkwrm

Liked the episode a lot. There was actual tension, and after what happened to Doyle over on Angel, I wasn't entirely convinced Jayne was going to live out the episode.

The show's blue-handed villains are actually pretty intimidating, and have introduced an extremely creepy threat to the show--being in the same room with these guys can be fatal. This, I like.

Reflecting back on the series this far, I have only one conclusion: I hate Fox so. Much. Looking back at the way they aired the episodes, they seemed to wait as long as humanly possible to air the really good episodes. Not to mention shuffling the episodes out of order does a fair job of slaughtering character development. I can't tell how consistantly the characters have developed over the course of the series, because I'm unable to actually watch the shows in the order they're supposed to air.

Firefly's not exactly a great show, but it's a decent watch, and over the past few weeks (Since "Out of Gas", I think) I've found myself able to enjoy it quite a bit, and I can't help feeling that the show has massive potential (potential that might partially be realized by, say, airing the freaking episodes in order).

I really hope Fox doesn't kill this show--maybe they could consider moving it out of the Friday deathslot and into a better slot? Mondays at 9 are now free, after all.

spainlinx0

Well I have liked this show and the characters from the beginning, and this episode is no exception. I never found Malcolm to be a boring captain as others have stated, and I think it can be said that the last scene definitely proved that he isn't. I really was unsure whether they were going to kill off Jayne or not, and I'm not sure if I'm happy that he didn't die. Very entertaining episode, and I'm hoping Fox doesn't cancel this show because I am very curious about River and the experiments in general. And I agree that those guys were creepy.

movieking

I really liked this episode a lot as well. I was wondering where Shepherd was as well, but it wasn't a huge loss. I like his character, but he probably would have been out of place last night. Give Kaylee more to do! I wouldn't have been surprised if Jayne had to be killed last night, but I am glad he didn't. It would have been justified after his actions, but he has bigger and better things coming (if Fox doesn't can the show).

lisadoris

I really enjoyed the episde a great deal. I thought the way Mal handled Jayne was classic. Just when you want him thrown out into the atmosphere he goes and says "don't tell them what I've done." Way to try and redeem yourself. Nice to see the doctor develop a criminal mind and heartbreaking do hear what happened to River. Bluehand guys - could they have found a more gross way to kill people - yuck. If the ratings on Firefly aren't what they should be FOX has only themselves to blame: if they had shown the episodes in order it wouldn't take so long to get involved with the characters. We've seen some good episodes so far so I hope they keep it around.

Patman

Once they show the pilot and tell Malcolm's story, y'all will know why he's the way he is. He is a badass.

Wizdar

Wow! No cows. No mud. No dusty backwards locale where a 4x4 is considered hi-tech. Only three lines of Chinese (and I think I shouldn’t count mei mei). I liked it. Even a hint that the new Old Navy commercials won’t drive me to homicidal thoughts on their 10,000th showing.

So, is Jayne evil? Bad? Or just confused? Can Mal trust that he’s got the message?

Malcolm is not as simple as you might think. Don’t let the limited vocabulary fool ya.

Jayne, on the other hand, IS Joe Six Pack.

“Kin I come in?”




string, insults only work when they’re on target. And on topic.

superstringtheory

I enjoyed the hospital scene and wondered if more was spent producing this episode by comparison.

It's interesting that they all really have some 'edge' but I didn't think Jayne would go through with it. Mal seems always prepared for someone overtaking his ship, now he has to worry about Jayne selling him out everytime they have a plan. Eesh. I'm still wondering how Mal really knew. He made a claim about the position the group were exiting at in the initial escape before they were caught but that seemed weak...was it Mal bluffing because his suspicions of the overall good plan gone bad and knowing Jayne? Maybe something I missed. Since the secret lies between them now, I don't know how much Jayne will be allowed to do. I'm curious too since the eps are jumbled, if Jayne will appear more repenting the next time we see him.

libel notwithstanding (you do love that word) - you just didn't want to support good 'ol Harlan's theory

Oh yeah. I think he's got a great storyline in the pilot.

Slumbering Fist

I really enjoyed the episode, probably more so than any of the other ones... and its no coincidence that I enjoyed it the most yet it had the least to do with any 'Western in Space' motif... Sure, I like the sereis enough that I'd like to give it a chance to find some ground, but if it goes, I wont shed any tears.

Wizdar

I rarely use that word, and only used it again ‘cause you made a stink about it.

Sure. Start a thread about his plagerized “theory” and I’ll be happy to join in. Could be fun. It would be inappropriate to do it here. Let’s just say that not only do I not support it, I disagree with the way it’s commonly misused, even by him.

I noticed that somebody managed to answer my question directly. Had he disagreed, I would have immediately mentioned his appropriate (within the topic I suggested) response. But as he agreed with me, I’m sure, had I said anything, I would have gotten flamed for it. And, since there's no further interest: [/hijack]

superstringtheory

Nope not plagerized, a very common theory as it's even quoted in a sig here on the board. I thought you'd recognize it as such and the point being made better (since you stated you didn't understand what I was getting at) Could be fun indeed but yeah not, the board.

Yes the member did indeed answer one of your questions. You made other statements as well, I guess I just didn't choose the right one you wanted. You compared this show to others known as 'duds'. I didn't agree with it, said so. I don't know how you determined that's irrelavant to the topic.

Robert

The cast of this show doesn't really have any stellar talent(pardon the pun). I didn't expect the show to go far with the guy who played the soldier who was mistaken for James Francis Ryan in Saving Private Ryan. Also the actor who played Noel Rhoar(sp?) in the final season of the X-Files.

B.A.

I thought last night's episode was pretty good. It actually appeared to be a show that took place in the future and outer space. Is it me, or were the guys w/ the blue surgical gloves just wicked? That was one hell of a way to kill somebody - at least it was something different and it leaves us wondering where they will show up next and who the hell they are - probably the second best ep of the season, behind the flashback episode where they were losing oxygen.

btlives

Blue Glove Man Group I guess will be the baddies for
a while.

I agree this ep had the costumes & sets better than
the OK Corral eps we have been viewing.

As for a stand alone ep. The one with Saffron aka
Captain Reynolds wife was probably the best.
The loss of air ep was also a fairly good ep.
The flashbacks made it.

But those really are the only 2 good eps so far.
Anyways....Time will tell on this series.

clemente

Don't forget his unforgettable roles in Two Guys, A Girl, (and A Pizza Place) and One Life to Live!

Wizdar

You call that an informed opinion?? Neither of those statements is true. Baby steps, indeed.

You know, I’ve tried to be patient with your constant insults and patronizing attitude, and I think I’ve done well in that regards. How ‘bout returning the favor by putting me on your Ignore List. I would be ever so grateful. I'm not sure what I've done to piss you off, and any more I just don't care.

And, yes, plagerized. Look it up.




Sorry about the interruption, guys. Did somebody mention pizza?

Derrich

After catching 3 episodes, I can't say that I'll miss Firefly when it's cancelled. It didn't seem to have a direction and as standalone eps, they fell really flat. Why was it even based in space?

Maybe if it was a straight western like it wanted to be it would have been better.

Or maybe if it had the same edge as Cowboy Bebop, which it seems to be inspired by.

As it is, it was pretty dull.


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superstringtheory

It seemed to me that you were saying that Firefly a dud because it didn't come right out of the gate with big audience numbers like 24 or West Wing, and that saying it needed time to ramp up was a weak argument. This came from Rogue saying that some shows can't be hits right out of the box, and need time to get their rhythm, and your response that these shows were called duds.

I disagreed, and informed my argument by backing up Rogue, and linking the potential success of the show not to its immediate numbers (which are better than Buffy or Angel, but Fox wants more), but to Fox's strategy of pulling a show if it doesn't do good enough right away. What you refer to as my insistent returning to the network strategy discussion is about my responding to your initial statement (you may think that informed opinions are for "wimps who haven't the cahones to stand up for their gut feelings" and that is your right: I think that uninformed opinions are for blowhards who are trolls incapable of actual discussion).

Your inflammatory statement ("I HOPE this is not another one of those "it'll get better" whines") notwithstanding (and though I think you're too strident about it, I agree that some people use it forever to excuse crappy shows - how long can a show be "getting better?" fer gosh sakes?), I argued that some shows require more time, not just to develop, but to develop an audience: if the network won't provide it, it won't happen. X-files and Seinfeld fall into the category of shows that were never "duds" but didn't come out of the gate winners. Though both did develop as shows, what they really developed was an audience. This is the "informed part" that you simultaneously don't think is there (and so attack me for it) but also don't think is necessary (only "wimps" bother to inform their opinions).

So there you have it ,a recap. You say Firefly is a dud, I say regardless of my personal feelings about the show, it's too early to call.

For someone who admits trollish elements in their posts, and insists that appropriate forum posts require no backing and are all about having the "guts" to speak without backing up anything you say, I'm not sure how you can expect anything other than a patronizing attitude in return (not that I think I was that patronizing). That said, I'm more than willing to put this one to bed. Ignore list? It's not even necessary.

Gosh, Mr. "I think I’ve done well in that regards," it's under "P" right? After patronizing. Oh, wait, you're not patronizing: you're a guy with the "guts" and "cahones" to post what he really feels. Kudos. You're a credit to the board.


Nice twist for someone who wanted to rant.

Okay, let's move on.

Patman

At the beginning of the episode, someone mentioned that they dropped off the preacher on another planet or space station (but they'll have to pick him up later).

hahn

IMHO, the show hasn't found its rhythm just yet. The blend of cowboy western, chinese language, and spaceships just doesn't cut it for me. At least not yet. I'm being patient and waiting, but I have to admit, if it was anyone else other than Joss Whedon, I would've quit a long time ago. I love BTVS and Angel, but that doesn't mean the guy can't make a misstep. I think the show has potential, but there needs to be some changes, and he needs to make them pronto. This last episode IS a step in the right direction. But I also think he needs to bring in aliens. The big appeal to Buffy and Angel was that because of the universe he asked you to believe in, ANYTHING was possible. And because of that, the shows were unpredictable. With Firefly, there are no aliens, no special technology. Just guns, futuristic medicine, and from the looks of it, ESP. I don't see a whole lot of room for the imagination to run wild here. I may be wrong, and I'd be the happiest guy on earth if Joss somehow proves me wrong, but thus far, I can understand the concern for cancellation.

Draven

Of course, the one episode I've MISSED is "Out of Gas," but this was one of my favorites so far. Very solid, very suspenseful (I honestly thought Jayne might be done for at the end) and strong performances from some of the "minor" characters. It's always nice to focus on them instead of the captain in every episode.

Bleeding from the eyes. Yuck. Wrench to the face. Classic

MrN

Finally watched the episode and I count it as one of the best of the series. Probably the best after 'Out of Gas.'

Firefly, IMO, is the best new series this year. Like the other Whedon shows, there is a reliance on characters and then the plots work off the characters. This kind of thing does need build-up - I mean its not like they can just cruise around, meet a different alien race each time and have random stories. So, yes, I will say it might not be as good as the really good shows but I think it has great potential.

Anyway, good pacing in this one with a couple of twists, looks like some formidable and cold-blooded villains. It'd be a real injustice if things like Fastlane and John Doe stay on the air and Firefly doesn't - but I guess the bottom line is the ratings.

movieking

It gets to stay for another couple of episodes apparently.

From zap2it.com:

LOS ANGELES (Zap2it.com) - A source close to Mutant Enemy, the production company for FOX's struggling Friday-night science-fiction drama "Firefly," reports that the network has ordered two more episodes produced, keeping the series before the cameras through December.

The new episodes come from six scripts previously ordered, over and above the original order of 13 episodes.

Series creator Joss Whedon is currently at work directing an episode of "Firefly," a 20th Century Fox Television production that follows the crew of a spaceship trying to make ends meet in a post-civil-war world 500 years in the future. The show's original, two-hour pilot - seen only in abbreviated form by TV critics and not at all by the public - will likely air Dec. 20.

dgmayor

That's interesting, because in the zap2it.com article I posted a page back, the next paragraph after what I posted was:

FOX has ordered three more scripts, over and above the original 13-episode order. "That makes 16," says Minear. "I think I can count. This is the land bridge that connects the two continents. The notion being, they haven't made a decision. If they decide to pick us up, the scripts will already be in development, in the stages of being written, and we won't have to stop production."

Wonder which it is? (and the Pilot has already been scheduled for some time to air in december).