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Old 11-09-02, 02:29 AM
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John Doe 11*08*02

great episode tonite. finally, they show a piece of the puzzle regarding the old lady and JD past.
Old 11-09-02, 02:51 AM
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Next week should be even better. I'm wondering though...what happens after he finds out who he is?

Also...[for those of you counting] I noticed four instances of squinting. But one time was due to daylight. Does that count?
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Liked the plot. Getting a bit tired of the quick resolution, though. "Oh look, here's his diary ... and it has all the answers." And then he takes the kid, Bond villain style to "the lab" where he wastes time farting around until Doe and Co. can save the day. Ugh. Still, I enjoyed it.

And cut it out with the genius crap - at least make the stuff seem somewhat plausible:

"First 5 digits of the base of natural logarithms is a flush."

4 geniuses at the friggin' table, and not one of them points out that e = 2.718281828459045 ... more math geeks know the first 16 digits of e than know the first 10 of Pi (the pattern's absurdly easy to remember). Either she meant the first 5 digits, 2-7-1-8-2, or the first 5 decimal digits, 7-1-8-2-8. Either way (assuming 1 is an Ace, btw), there are only 4 unique cards, making it impossible to achieve a "flush."

Come on, now. At least put some effort into it.

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Originally posted by Rogue588
Next week should be even better. I'm wondering though...what happens after he finds out who he is?
Whatever happens, much squinting and facial contortions shall ensue. That much I'm sure of.
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Originally posted by das Monkey
"First 5 digits of the base of natural logarithms is a flush."

4 geniuses at the friggin' table, and not one of them points out that e = 2.718281828459045 ... more math geeks know the first 16 digits of e than know the first 10 of Pi (the pattern's absurdly easy to remember). Either she meant the first 5 digits, 2-7-1-8-2, or the first 5 decimal digits, 7-1-8-2-8. Either way (assuming 1 is an Ace, btw), there are only 4 unique cards, making it impossible to achieve a "flush."

Come on, now. At least put some effort into it.
That's good, I didn't notice that. The show seems to be getting more boring every week to me.
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John Doe is being replaced by Happy Gilmore on the 22nd. Is this the end?

Not that I would be too disappointed. I was considering dropping it anyways. I would like to hear some explanation for how he knows everything though. I doubt they've figured that out yet though...
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Can Fox Drama 'John Doe' Survive?
By LYNN ELBER [.c The Associated Press]

LOS ANGELES (AP) - While the title character of "John Doe'' searches for his identity, the new Fox drama is on an even more crucial quest for viewers.

Its mission is helped by an intriguing concept, that of a man who washes up on a Seattle area island lacking any memory of himself or his life but with boundless knowledge and the ability to quickly master a skill.

That sets up clever scenes in which Doe, who becomes an amateur crime-buster while trying to solve his own mystery, rattles off enough factoids to fill a CNN Headline News screen and is an instant pilot, race car driver or whatever's needed.

Another plus for "John Doe'' is its handsome star, Dominic Purcell, who manages to make his know-it-all character both likable and swagger-free.

So what's conspiring against the drama? For starters, it airs on Friday night, when there are fewer TV viewers in general and fewer young adult viewers - Fox's lifeblood - in particular.

It also has the misfortune to follow the struggling sci-fi series "Firefly,'' which is showing barely a flicker of life in the ratings.

"Firefly,'' at 8 p.m. EST, has averaged 4.9 million viewers per episode. "John Doe,'' at 9 p.m. EST, has drawn an average 7 million viewers per episode.

"It would obviously have a much stronger chance if we were on a more-watched night of television,'' said Mimi Leder, one of the show's executive producers. "I wish we were on a different night, or I wish we had a stronger lead-in.''

That said, Leder expresses satisfaction with what she deems to be outstanding scripts, acting and directing.

"John Doe'' is part of that breed of fresh and inventive series that attracts a small, devoted audience and which sometime blossom into mainstream hits - if a network is willing to be patient.

Same thing happened to another offbeat drama that debuted in 1993 in the tough Friday time slot now held by "John Doe.'' From an unimpressive start, "The X-Files'' grew into an acclaimed success for Fox.

Brandon Camp and Mike Thompson, the creators as well as executive producers of "John Doe,'' would be happy to follow the path of "The X-Files.'' As for the character's journey to self-discovery, they already have that fully mapped out.

Camp and Thompson, who have been working in films ("Dragonfly'' with Kevin Costner, the upcoming "Steinbeck's Point of View'' with Richard Gere) initially envisioned "John Doe'' as a big-screen drama complete with "endgame.''

When it was revamped for television, they knew they would have to keep their eye on the planned outcome to avoid confusion.

"Is he an alien, is he an android, an angel, a government construct? Is he just a guy who fell off a boat and has a tumor in his head?'' said Camp. "We do intend to explore all of those possibilities. But it's important (for us) to know what the truth is so it all makes sense in the end.''

Look for scattered clues and the growing presence of "nefarious forces'' tracking Doe, the producers suggest.

The show has overtones of science-fiction and fantasy (Camp and Thompson are coy about whether any such elements figure into Doe's origins), but the intent is to ground it in everyday life.

"John Doe is a metaphor for each of us,'' Thompson said. "Exploring who we are, what's important in life, what are our priorities, am I wasting my time or using it well.''

Purcell, who's part of the Australian actors' invasion (others on TV this season include Anthony LaPaglia and Poppy Montgomery on CBS' "Without a Trace''), says he plays Doe as a man often "uneasy in his own skin.''

"I really shied away from the stereotypical hero who saves the world. I wanted him to be vulnerable and accessible,'' said Purcell, who cites Tom Selleck's affable detective in "Magnum, P.I.'' as a favorite character.

("Really?'' Leder said when told of Purcell's remark. Turns out her brother, Reuben Leder, was a writer on the show.)

The larger mystery of John Doe is gradually pieced together while Doe takes on a succession of criminal cases that may or may not be linked to his quest.

He's established himself as a detective-without-portfolio with the Seattle police, working with Detective Frank Hayes (John Marshall Jones) and the reluctant Lt. Jamie Avery (Jayne Brook).

The idea of presenting a "neo-Sherlock Holmes'' who could deduce his way to a solution was appealing, Thompson said.

"We also love the tragic irony of a guy who can solve other people's mysteries but can't solve his own,'' Camp added.

Other members of Doe's newly formed circle are bar owner Digger (William Forsythe) and an energetic girl Friday, Karen (Sprague Grayden). Beginning in December, Gabrielle Anwar ("Scent of a Woman'') brings romance into Doe's life.

Leder, a veteran director and producer who's worked on both TV hits ("ER'') and misses ("The Beast''), is philosophical about "John Doe's'' chances.

"It's such a crapshoot when you make a TV show. 'ER' was like lightning in a bottle. That's hard to catch,'' she said. "All we can do is control the vision of the show, where it's going, and hope for the best.''
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Next week looks great. I don't think this show is going to last much longer. It's on a bad night with a really bad show in front of it(I love Angel and Buffy, but Firefly is a mess).
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Good to see they know where they're going. I don't think they'll get that far though... Seems pretty certain that it'll be dropped soon.
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Aw crap, my recording stopped too soon, so I missed the best part!

Can someone tell me what happened with the "nefarious people"? The last thing I saw was one man approaching another sitting on a bench. He hands him a manilla envelope, then........ that's all I know.
Old 11-13-02, 01:02 PM
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I hope this doesn't get canned. Why do they have to put it on Friday's? I have an idea, put it on Monday's following Boston Public, that is much better than World's Funniest Gameshow Outtakes.
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TVguide.com is reporting it got picked up for the full season today.
Old 11-13-02, 03:13 PM
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TVguide.com is reporting it got picked up for the full season today.
Yep. And looking at the ratings for that time slot on Fridays, it's doing the best since Millenium (R.I.P. Harsh Realms, Lone Gunmen, et al)
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Excellent! That is great news - I was hoping they would give this show a chance so it can grow on people. Thanks for the info MrX.

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