Struz - can't disagree with you on the welfare thing. Huh, maybe I'm not so liberal.

BTW - after the 9/11 comment that Maher was shot down for, do you know who the first person was to come to Bill's defense? Rush Limbaugh. Bill was shocked and I thought it was great.

Well, first off, Politically Incorrect isn't supposed to be a talk show for political pundits. It's supposed to be celebrities talking about the issues. Since a lot of celebrities tend to be more liberal than conservative, Bill will usually make sure there is at least one conservative political pundit. (And like I said before he rarely has a liberal political pundit on.)

However, while the celebrities tend to lean left, they are not political pundits and tend to not be as vocal/articulate in their beliefs. So often that one conservative political pundit tends to get more conversation in. So it is more balanced than you think.

I always joke that the show will always have on 3 celebrities and one conservative "commentator" you've never heard of.

Well FOX News is a 24-hour news station and PI was one 30 min. show. Equal number on that station is just inaccurate.

Never said don't like having money.

No, there are nowhere near as many rich Democrats. Clinton had absolutely nothing when elected. the new George Bush is filthy stinking rich. Money can always buy the White House if the candidate is weak. Junior's just lucky he had Gore to run a horrible campaign against him.

Anyway, apples and oranges.

Republicans getting the poor off welfare so they can work and help themselves. Please, you and I both know that's bullsh**. It sounds good to say. But these people are poor for a reason and not just because of bad luck.

We'll gladly take you on our side elektra.

As much as I feel pain to say this, Struz is pretty much right about the welfare and poor thing. Struz - no offense inteneded. :) We usually disagree on many issues, but this isn't one of them.

There have been poor people since the beginning and where I feel there is more that people on the whole can do to help the situation, it's not just the republicans.

It's that whole teaching a man to fish thing. They need the skills to get a good job to get themselves on their feet.

Also, Struz - do you really feel that all the news media is all liberal all the time, or do you find it's more of a liberal slant?

elektra,

Most of the TV and print media is liberal. There are a few conservative ones like FOX and NY Post. Also, most universities are liberal. People get bombarded with anti-conservative messages every day and unfortunately some of it rubs off and is believed.

That is why most college kids are liberals. But as they get jobs, pay taxes, get married and raise families they become more conservative.

They realize that the government is taking almost half of their paycheck and they can't make ends meet.

Now the reason Hollywood types stay liberal is because their carreer job depends on being creative. No censorship means anything goes, that's why you see a lot of sex on t.v., movies and music videos.

Struz - funny, but watching Dennis Miller one night (and believe me, some of his current rants are right on and he's been giving it to both Dems and Repubs) Rob Lowe was on and he said something that really made me think:

"If you're not a liberal in your 20's you have no heart. If you're not a conservative in your 30's you have no brain."

Or something along those lines. Now, I think that many of my views are either liberal/liberatarian, in that I feel strongly about personal freedoms, but somethings I'm conservative about. We just haven't hit the point where you and I disagree. ;)

I was not at all "blaming Republicans for poor people" and you know it. That statement sounds insane.

I just meant that Rebublicans don't give a sh** about them. That's a true statement. I also never said Democrats were the great savior for the poor either.

There are good and bad sides to both parties. But the problem will always be that there are two parties instead of people meeting in the middle and trying to get things done.

Of course college kids are liberal. They still have an open mind and see all the junk that goes on.

Everyone gets at least a little bit conservative as they get older and set in their ways.

The thing about Democrats needing the poor for a voting block. The poor do not vote. The last thing they're doing on an early November Tuesday is voting.

Anyway it's the middle class that's always gonna be hit the hardest when it comes to taxes. The poor don't pay taxes and the rich may pay 47% but they have plenty of write-offs and the like.

Plus, they're rich. They should be paying a much higher tax percentage. If was rich I'm sure I wouldn't like paying huge taxes but I'd also feel like an idiot to see people making almost nothing paying more because I'm bitching about high taxes. Poor me. The big millionaire had to spend some extra bucks.

And I have no "sour grapes" on Gore and the election. It's over and he lost by a few votes. Hell, he deserved to lose. He didn't even use his biggest asset to help him.


Anyway, these kind of arguments could go on forever.

I respect your opinion and we can agree to disagree.

And we're both Italian too. ;)


Agreed.

Struz - Italian are you? Hmmmm, maybe we should talk business. ;)

wm lopez - we agree that Hollywood is liberal and it may be because of the creativity that they are more open to things that more conservative people would not be. However, in regards to a lot of sex in TV, Movies and music videos - So what? No one says that anyone has to watch it. People make a conscious choice to watch it. I watch very little music videos because for the most part, I find much more interesting things on TV. As for movies and TV they now are rated to aid parents in what is acceptable to watch. Before most of the shows I watch that could be of a concern to parents, the stations put up a warning, that the show is intended for a Teen or adult audience and may not be suitable for younger people. What more can they do? Some of this programming I like. If others don't, they don't have to watch it. There was a woman in who brought a kid with her to see Spiderman, a PG-13 movie. This kid was about 2 or less. He was screaming on and off for 20 minutes in this movie. The only thing I can figure is he was afraid of the Green Goblin. She did nothing. I had seen it already and people around me were clearly getting annoyed. I went and reported her. After observation, the usher made her leave. Now, if that kid is terrified, has nightmares and trauma, is it fair to blame the movie? I don't think so. The movie didn't go to the kid, the kid was brought to the movie, presumably by his mother. I've seen adults bring kids around 10 years old to an R rated movie. That's not Hollywoods fault. That's the person who brought the kid. Time for some parents to face the facts that parenting is full-time. No one else will do the job for you.

edited to add: BTW - there's nothing wrong with sex. It's a natural part of who and what we are. Kids and sex, now that's a problem.

100% http://broker.buildingonline.com/italian-flag.gif bella :)

Maher is a big fat idoit.

Hey, I'm happy for him! Now he doesn't have to sober up before the next show.

See ya!

Exactly. On economic fronts the two parties are almost indistinguishable.

Answer: Nader. Unfortunately, his brand of Socialism will never gain much support in the States (nor in much of the "developed" world), where greed is what runs things with most people.
I've always found it extremely ironic that the Religious Right gladly walks hand-in-hand with the fiscal conservatives. Being an Agnostic I'm certainly no Christian scholar (in fact I've never touched a Bible, nor do I have the slightest interest to do so), but isn't there something in the Bible, and in fact in most religious teachings, about striving for modesty and helping your fellow man? Hmmmmm, I wonder if Falwell, Robertson, and their legion of minions ever lower the windows of their stretch-limos and SUVs to toss a coin at a beggar.

Struz, you're right, by-and-large the main networks are socially liberal; they appear to support such issues as gay rights, pro-choice re. abortions, and other civil liberties. Thank goodness for that. However, fiscally they are just as conservative and corporate-spun as FOX.

If anyone thinks he's getting the unfiltered, unslanted, important news from any network then he's already been converted. Any newscast that opens with reports on the long line-ups at theaters to see Star Wars, instead of dryly enlightening people on what's going on in the world, is a joke.

Well, if the liberal way of thinking that it's the parent's reponsabilty to patrol their kids 24 hours then how can a single career woman raise her child?