Ok I saw the preview a few times but never got the inside joke there until I read it here heh.

You've got a good point there. At least the commercial threads and the Fear Factor thread should be in TV Talk.

They should be, but TV Talk gets no respect. Every time I read Otter, I see two or three threads that belong in here. I've even posted in some of the threads asking them to get moved, since I know many of the TV Talkers don't stray into Otter, but those requests are ignored.

das

For a while there, Matt Damon was seeing Winona Ryder.

SPOILER

I have a friend who works as a gaffer and lighting assistant. He saw Matt naked on the set once. Couldn't believe the girls fall so much for him since he had such a tiny weeny.

What was Matt doing naked? And why does it matter what size his penis was?

The apartment they looked at and loved... is it just me or is it just a slightly modified set of "The Gate" from Suddenly Susan?

For those who watched last night's episode (4/18), does anyone else here feel that Sean Hayes is getting too physical and broad lately with his comedy/acting? He doesn't go two seconds without some outlandish move. Like when he was getting jealous that Will was talking to Karen at Grace's work. What the hell was that all about? Very strange. And not funny at all (IMO). The audience didn't laugh either. I think Hayes is an extremely talented and gifted comedic actor for the most part. But he needs to lower the volume on the physical schtick. It's way too over the top.

I actually noticed that too tonight. It was over the top, I hope he calms down heh.

And, they need more Karen in the show, less Will & Grace

I thought it was funny - the whole left leg out behind him thing. I thought that the intention was that Jack was continuing to be the "kid on the playground" long after Karen had returned to "grown-up land" to discuss the book with Will. It makes sense with the whole "new best friend" thing which Will and Karen resolved so juvenally for Jack at the end.

Agreed. Just don't give Karen her own spin-off show. You just *know* someone over at NBC is thinking about doing a "Jack and Karen" series.

Anyway, watching the show last night was almost like someone doing a parody of "Will and Grace". Like maybe "SNL" or "MAD TV". Wait until this show is in syndication where you'll see how tame Jack was at the beginning. And how his character gets more outrageous. I do feel the physical stuff can be funny at times. Like when he and Karen make a dash to leave somewhere at the same time. But in moderation. Jack's getting way too animated.

Glad you all finally caught up.

"Will and Grace" has been screechy and over-the-top unfunny since about mid-way through the first season. The characters ceased to be "real" and became Anthony Michael Hall-era SNL schtick about that time.

Occasionally, there will be a witty one-liner ripping by at warp speed pace - but otherwise this show has fast become the gay "Four Stooges."

Kinda sad too - because individually I think the cast members are incredibly talented.

Jack's been getting more and more annoying for the past couple of seasons. I particularly hate it when he starts screeching in that ridiculous high-pitched voice. I know it's supposed to be a joke, and it was kinda funny the first time, I guess, but it's just gotten tiresome now.

With that said, I still love the show. I thought last night's episode was great.

Rob

Yes, I really never watched the show until last season I believe. I remember being annoyed by the damn_NBC promo they ran with Will & Grace at a table outside a resterarunt or something and the table was rocking - something like that. So, I will check it out in syndication so I can see how it all started.

The less they use Will & Grace, the less interesting the show is to me. While I find Jack and Karen to be interesting characters, there is no way a show would survive with just them. They are too over the top to keep my interest. They would grate on my nerves so fast that I would stop watching after one episode.

I've always found this show more grating than enjoyable anyway. It was kind of humorous at times, but mostly it's just too over-the-top. I loved Debra Messing long before this silly show and think the rest of the cast is quite talented, but since that first season, I haven't found anything interesting about the show.

das

The strength of W&G is not character development, but rather character assassination.

Man, that Jack guy is gay.






Really, he is.

You do have to love the fact this is the only show on TV that has referenced the movie "Heathers" not once but twice now.

I think Jack and Karen have become charactures over the past few seasons and Grace are always the butt of everyones jokes.
Karen and Jack were always obnoxious but they had characeristics that you liked.
I especially noticed during the Matt Damon guest appearance that Sean was hamming it up wayyy to much.
Time to get back to basics,

Jack has always been flamboyant. As much as I love Jack and Karen, it would be hard to take the two of them for a show of their own.

Jack is great on the show, but I've only ever known his character to be that physical.

I love Karen's character - her one-liners are classic.

It's one of my favorite shows, and if the writers do tone down the physical comedy, I watch for the writing, so I'll keep watching.

"getting"?

Yeah, getting. Watch the first season when it's on in syndication next year. You'll see a world of difference in the presentation.

And yes, Jack has always been flamboyant. That and over the top are completely different.