my late $.02... :p
 

Just wanted to chime in after everyone's already hashed and rehashed their opinions on the Pilot. :)

[dons flame retardant pajamas]
I have to say that the theme song was a refreshing and pleasant change of pace for me. Having every other ST series start out with a Williams'esque symphonic score had me expecting another one sounding like all the others, but the new theme song was a nice surprise. I think it will grow on some of you (probably not all of you) :p
[/removes flame retardant pajamas]

Is it me or is T'Pol the first silicone enhanced Vulcan you've ever seen? WOW :jawdrop: I definitely wasn't expecting the "decontamination rubdown scene" :D

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Bumbling humans in space! Scared of other races! No shields! Bad aim!

Someone mentioned in a post two pages ago about whether or not the Enterprise fired back at any of the Suliban pods that were shooting at them. Well, they did fire off a few shots, but managed to hit a whole lotta space, which I though was cool since they'd just gotten the targeting scanners 'calibrated' and they obviously need to do some more calibrating on those puppies. :) Which means that they won't be shooting first and asking questions later too often...

Lastly, I liked how Sato was totally uncomfortable with the ship while travelling at warp 4 speeds, i.e. unsure if the ship was going to shake apart or not. Very funny!

Definitely looking forward to the rest of the first season.

For some odd reason, the "future guy" reminded me of the Admiral from Starfleet that we saw earlier. But if it's a Romulan, that would be a nice touch.

Was the "future guy" played by Michael York?

Sure sounded like and looked like him too from what I could tell.

That would be cool it it was "Logan".

It'd be even cooler if it was Dean Stockwell... ;) :D

Jadzia - I met him once. Quite by surprise. Very nice man.

Filmmaker - :)

You are in the minority on this one dood! This show rocks. Trek is BACK!! Voyager SUCKS.

Eric

All of humanity has a "need" to be racist? Umm, ok.

C’mon. It wasn’t that bad. (I mean people talk about watching Survivor and Big Brother here.) I’ll admit that compared to the other Treks it’s a little lacking, but it’s had some pretty cool story devices and some really good episodes. So it has a higher ratio of stinkers, no biggie.

Who knows who has seen these, so…


This show gets slammed harder than it deserves.
Just my .02 strips of latinum

I’m in full agreement that this new show can be one the gems (if not better than TNG, hail mary). I loved the airliner style slide throttles and ineffectual pulse weapons (that probably would have kicked ass on Terra and the damn Vulcans let us believe that was enough!).

Anyone else catch T'Pol showing up in the dream/flashback?

I also read that she's supposed to be 65 years old, so I wonder if she figures even more deeply in the captain's history...

I saw that, but I took it to be stylistic, just his coming out of unconsciousness, rather than anything literal... Still, you never know...

Originally posted by John-in-VA:
All of humanity has a "need" to be racist? Umm, ok.

Does humanity seem to have an ages-old need for violence against his fellow man? A need to belittle him? A need to boost his own fractured ego by classifying other races as beneath his? A need to withhold education and occupational opportunities from same? A need to practice genocide on those he feels to be genetically or intellectually substandard to him? Yeah, seems to me too many humans have a tragic hunger, a need if you will, to consider themselves better than others of their ilk. If you disagree, just ask the American Muslims who had their mosques torched and their family members murdered by certain misguided members outside of their race less than two weeks ago in our great land of the United States, in light of the World Trade Center/Pentagon attack...it's a bitter pill, but humanity's still got a long way to go...

Re: my late $.02... :p
 

Take that back ... now :) Sandy, Jerry, and Dennis are not like Williams in any way. They take chances and write scores for films they know might not gross $500 million ... especially Jerry. He writes incredible, awe-inspiring music and should not be compared to the prolificly thematic Williams. Thank you :) :)

das

I WAS in full agreement with you. Voyager had a great premise and an excellent cast. I'd watch it frequently, and every once in a while they'd make a very good episode. But over time it became too difficult to ignore the way they stole and ruined most of TNG's best plots and villians. Still, I was forgiving ... until the finale. It's one thing to not have a good show ... it's another thing entirely to sacrifice the morality of the Trek universe and glorify the most reprehensible actions. I am now a full-fledged, card-carrying member of the Voyager is SUCK Society. I still love the actors and wish them the best of success, but too many of the mistakes made by that show were gross and unforgiveable and overshadowed all the good they did in between.

das

Tell me about it... That was so low brow and low class. Seems they are appealing to the Xena audience again. I have heard so many people that just watched Voyager because of Two of 44DD.

And what if only one person was contaminated, how would they cover themselves? And what about the parts INSIDE her shorts that he refused to go into. Wouldn't leaving any exposed areas be out of the question? Bleh... Add to that the colorful metaphors and it just doesn't seem like Trek. I know that's the point of what they wanted but I dont like the way it's been executed.

When I heard it was going to be a rock song, I thought it might be Magic Carpet Ride :) They did have part of that scene from the movie in there though...

Re: my late $.02... :p
 

And don't forget, this will be using the 'old' method of measuring warp speed so warp 4 is slower than it is in TNG. In TNG warp speed was capped at warp 10. They got up to warp 9.9999 or whatever but that's it. Kirk's Enterprise reached, what, warp 13 in one episode?

RE: rubdown - the only place that either T'Pol or Trip needed the other to rub the gel was on the backs, each could easily rub the gel on their butts and backs of their legs quite easily, so that all they needed to show in that unnecessary (but welcomed by men) scene was the rubbing on the gel on each other's backs. :)

I thought T'Pol wasn't cold enough emotionally. And I don't think it has as much to do with the age of character, but moreso on the acting ability of the actress. Will there ever be a day where she (Jolene Blalock) dons a better looking hairdo? Probably not (a shame too).

agreed, I liked Voyager

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so did the enterprise d in all good things :)

YES!!! I was thinking that the whole time...

that would have been cool

Re: Re: my late $.02... :p
 

I was sort of wondering about that. If I remember correctly, Warp 10 in TNG is infinite speed, hence the cap at 10. Also.. isn't it also set up similar to the Richter scale in that Warp 9 is twice as fast as warp 8? Er.. wait.. that would mean that Warp 9 is 1/2 infinity, which is also infinity. Anyone care to learn me the right way?

Ratguy

I guess I will be one of the few that can't forgive the creators/studio for Voyager. They took to many "liberties" and made the show unwatchable for me. Nothing against the actors and such, but the show sucked for me and I will never own or watch it again.

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I thought I heard or read somewhere that warp speed works exponentially. Warp 1 is light speed. Warp 2 is light speed x 10 (to the first power), Warp 3 is light speed x 10 squared, Warp 4 is light speed x 10 cubed, etc...

Geek Alert:

OK, since you asked ... :)

TOS Warp is pretty simple.

Velocity = (Warp Factor)^3 * Speed of Light

Which means Warp 1 is 1c, Warp 2 is 8c, and Warp 10 is 1000c. Pretty straight forward. Consequently, the NCC-1701 could travel at speeds higher than Warp 10 (not on its own power of course, but the universe would allow it to achieve that speed) like in "That Which Survives" where it goes nice and fast (Warp 14 or thereabouts). Some people adopted this Chi factor, which is a localized density of matter, and multiplied that in, but I've never bought that theory. Warp 1 was always supposed to be the speed of light, and the chi theory doesn't mesh with that.

TNG Warp is much more complicated. There are many arguments in favor of different formulae and data, but the common points are clear. Warp goes from 1 to 10, incresing exponentially as it approaches 10. It's like the rabbit that goes halfway across the remaining road with each jump ... he'll get infinitely close, but never arrive. Anyway, Warps 1 through 9 are comparable to TOS Warps; they increase a little quicker, so Warp 1 is still 1c, Warp 2 is fairly close at 10c and Warp 9 is closer to 1500c whereas TOS Warp 9 is 729. Don't quote me on the TNG numbers - I don't have any formulas with me, but I remember TNG Warp 9 is about twice TOS Warp 9. From TNG Warp 9 to Warp 10, you get expoentially faster as you approach, so Warp 9.9 is significantly faster than 9.8, and 9.99 than 9.98, etc. You never make it to Warp 10, despite what they say in "Where No One Has Gone Before"

Computer, turn off Geek Mode.

das