i'm surprised to find myself very intrigued by this show since i haven't found anything after STTNG worth watching. STE looks to have a lot of angst and to be a lot grittier than its predecessors. there looks to be a lot of morally grey people which makes for a much more interesting show. and all the cheesy costumes and phony tech stuff is gone. and have you SEEN those women??? OMG...sorry seven of nine, but you've been outclassed already and i haven't even seen their acting ability.

when does it start? it's on upn right?

yup, it's on UPN. and it starts wed, sept 26 at 8pm. early reviews are VERY favorable.

It's actually just called "Enterprise." The "geniuses" (and I use that term very loosely) who created this mish-mash of prequel Trek BS decided to drop the "Star Trek" from the title of the series to draw in the non-existent non-Trekkie audience. In hopes of attracting more mainstream attention, they alienated their core fanbase.

You can read the script of the pilot episode at www.filmjerk.com and judge for yourself. It's a hackjob -- pulling together the worst elements of 24th Century Trek with the "crudities" that the creators thought would make a splash with the non-Trekkers - ie. more big-busted, catsuited women, a captain that says "ass" within the first five minutes of the pilot (oooo, how "gritty"), the inclusion of generic, soul-numbing "pop" music, the complete jettisoning of Original Trek continuity, a 24th century time-travelling mystery villain, and the bonkers decision to make jeans, ballcaps and flight jackets the new standard Starfleet uniform.



If it didn't have so much studio support at this time, it'd be a goner on the season schedule by mid-November.

wow, such bile and venom. you must be a trekkie.
relax dude. all i'm saying is that the previews look intriguing. beyond that, i know nothing about it. but i will watch the show to see if i like it. forget all the analysis of how it compares to the "real" star trek. just watch it. if you like it, great. if you don't, so be it. live and let live...

Looks ok. I did notice they used "where no man has gone before" not the updated (for 20th century) "where no one has gone before." They gonna be hit for being sexiest just wait and if I see a Romulan I will shoot them.

the last 2-3 seasons of DS9 were pretty "gritty" with the dominion war

wow, those are pretty harsh words for a show that hasn't even aired yet. have you actually seen an episode yet? i mean, isn't the proper thing to do is wait until you've seen one to critique?

I haven't seen any reviews yet. Do you have any links?

I'm avoiding links to reviews because most of them are riddled with spoilers and review the script that hit the Internet, not the show. I hated the writing on Voyager and think the creative minds (not the acting) were seriously lacking on the show. The same idiots involved with Voyager are now on Enterprise. I am as skeptical as they come. With that background I tell you this:

I have spoken at length with the following people regarding Enterprise: Roxy Dawson, Jeff Combs, Vaughn Armstrong, and LeVar Burton. Roxy, Jeff, and LeVar all exhibit the height of integrity in television (nothing against Vaughn - he's a great guy - just not to their level), and they all say the same thing: you will not believe how good this show is going to be. To a man, each one of them raves about Bakula's performance and the strength of the supporting cast. I don't want to believe it, but it's hard for me to deny that these people really do know what they're talking about.

The only thing that scares me is that Brannon Braga also says it's going to be great. Brannon Braga has proven that he doesn't know sh!t about anything, so this is a setback. Still, I've heard nothing but good from everyone involved, both privately and publically. At the 35th Anniversary celebration, LeVar Burton raved about the show ... as a single episode director who has a great career and little personal stake in the success of the overall show, I see no reason for him to mislead.

I will remain a skeptic, but things are at least looking up.

das

I'm GLAD it's more mainstream .. I mean let's face it, star trek defines geekdom as a whole. (i'm not trying to flame so don't get the wrong idea ) I never liked the show or the movies (except wrath of kahn, but that's cuz of Mr Roark), but I really find myself lookin forward to this show for some reason I know "the quantum leap guy" is a good actor, and I'm sure he'll do a good job here. I'm really hoping they focus less on the trekkieness and more on the normal TV kinda stuff

Well, you won't get that, no matter how "mainstream" it gets. "Trekkieness" as you describe it is the height of human understanding and compassion. No group of fans of anything exhibit the level of diversity and acceptance than Star Trek fans, and no television show has shown what we can achieve when diverse humans work together at the level that Star Trek has. Whatever you label it, Star Trek endeavors to showcase the very best of humanity, and if that's not good enough for the "mainstream" crowd, then they don't deserve it. As much as I despise Brannon Braga, not even he will sacrifice that.

das
Proud member of "geekdom"

Hey, I'll give it a chance. I'm not the biggest Trek nut, but I probably know too much about it for my own good. If Deep Space Nine proved anything, it was that you have to give a series a chance. No matter how weak it may be at the start, it can find its footiung and become great. Speaking of which, anyone know when TNN starts airing Deep Space Nine?

As far as the Trek actors saying Enterprise is great. Honestly what else do you expect? If Levar Burton bad mouths Trek, he's out of an occasional paycheck.

Actually, we the viewers can see the Romulans, but the human characters in the show can't

True ... but it's one thing to say, "yeah, I think you'll enjoy it." And it's another for him to make a big BIG deal out of it and stick his neck out. The fact that I've heard nothing negative from the non regulars has surprised me. Like I said, tho, I still remain a skeptic.

And if you don't believe Trek actors will badmouth their own shows, even when they're on the air, I'd like to introduce you to Mr. Robert Beltran.

das

What did Beltran say?????

more like what didn't he say.

It's well known that Beltran had some issues with the show, but didn't we all?

das - pretty much what you said. I'm not a Braga fan and I wish it was Ron Moore instead, but I'll give it a look-see. Like yourself, I remain skeptical.

I don't really mind that he has bad stuff to say about the show, but I think he should get over it. He finished working on the show like six months ago and every new interview has him complaining again and again. He should just move on and not wait for an invitation to be in an upcoming Trek film.

Matt

I bet he's just pissed that it'll be a cold day in Hell before the Voyager crew make a movie. I don't know how true it is but I read a post on a Trek newsgroup by someone who claimed to be in the know that the powers that be within the Trekverse couldn't get rid of the Voyager cast quick enough because of all the increasingly public bitching by some but not all cast members about writing, series direction, etc. Sounds like Robby might should have kept his trap shut, though he did have a point.

BTW, is Bakula definitely signed for the first season of the new show? I'd read that it was just for the first 10 episodes or something.

Let's make this perfectly clear ... Beltran's not a complainer ... he's just honest. When someone asks him, "why do you think the writers rushed you into a romance with Seven at the end of the show?" Well, he responds with, "I guess they did it for ratings. The decision never made sense to me. Of course, a lot of their decisions didn't make sense to me. Like <insert accurate example here>." He never went looking for a fight, but everyone knew Voyager was doing some stupid crap, and any interviewer worth anything would ask someone about it. Mulgrew would spin it to make it sound like it wasn't stupid, Wang would dodge the question by doing impressions, and Beltran would tell the truth. I have the utmost respect for him.

Meeting him in person was quite the honor, I must say, and the look of honest appreciation on his face when I thanked him for all his valid criticism over the years was priceless. In fact, if they did a Voyager film (uh huh ... right), I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't sign on. As for moving on ... now, come on, people ... we're talking about Star Trek ... you can NOT "move on" from Star Trek. The public will not let you. Sure, you can work on other projects and have great success (Patrick Stewart), but you will ALWAYS be "that guy/girl from Star Trek." I'm no rabid Voyager-hater, but it had problems ... lots of them ... and I appreciate Beltran having the insight and honesty to speak up and let the fans know that we weren't the only ones asking these questions.

As for the Powers That Be ... talk about having your head up your ass. They had a great concept and some incredibly talented actors, and look what they did ... yeah, it's Beltran's fault *cough* *cough* scapegoat *cough*

Whew ...

Anyway ... as for Bakula, he's not going anywhere. I have no idea what's in his contract, but I wouldn't worry about it. Welcome to Star Trek ... he will become so entrenched in this show that there's no way he'd willingly leave, and if he wanted to, Paramount would just throw more money at him. It's like the Mob ... sure you can get out ... but at what cost? He'll be there for 7 years.

das

I am really intrigued by this one too. It looks to be the best since TNG. I can't wait!

what I'm curious about is the "phase pistols" that are mentioned in one of the commercials. Phasers didn't come until kirk, Pike had laser pistols, so what are these phase pistols, why go from phase pistols with stun and kill, to lasers, which I assume only had different levels of kill

Since when has any writer on any Trek series cared anything about continuity and avoiding contradictions? Whole series of books have been written to point out the mistakes.

d'oh, I forgot paramount's prime directive