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Old 05-30-14, 02:51 PM
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TrueCrypt dead - similar programs?

With TrueCrypt being dead (unless otherwise proven), it is time to start looking for alternatives.

I don't like bitlocker, so I'm not going to start using that.

I looked at Axcrypt, but that only does file encryption. What I need is a "virtual drive" stored in an encrypted file, so once you unlock the file, a whole new drive with files, directories, structures etc is available. Exactly the way Truecrypt did it.

I don't need disk encryption.

Any suggestions on what would fit the bill? Paging JayG...
Old 05-30-14, 03:36 PM
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Re: TrueCrypt dead - similar programs?

I have not done anything with it yet, but FreeOTFE is next on my list to try for freeware

http://sourceforge.net/projects/freeotfe.mirror/
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AWW MAN!!!!

[conspiracy] You know this just proves TC works and so NSA forced them to shut down. [/ conspiracy]

I've tried BestCrypt and didn't like it.

I'm not too worried. I've always double-encrypted my TC volumes with other programs. So TC is only the first line of defense.
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If you think that you are going to keep any 3 letter agency out of your files if they really want them you are fooling yourself.

Write the encryption program yourself, and hope you are good

Encryption these days is sort of like the lock on your front door, it keeps honest people honest and it will keep petty criminals out. You can also keep a girlfriend or family member or something like that out of your files, but you are not keeping the gov't out

You want the govt out of your files? Keep a little thermite pot on your hard drive with a quick ignite fuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdCsbZf1_Ng

Physical destruction at at least 2000 degrees F is the only way to go (and thermite far exceeds )
Old 05-30-14, 04:50 PM
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Re: TrueCrypt dead - similar programs?

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If you think that you are going to keep any 3 letter agency out of your files if they really want them you are fooling yourself.
TrueCrypt has stumped the FBI at least twice:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TrueCrypt#Legal_cases

The biggest potential risk was someone brute forcing the password. If you used a long and complicated enough password, the encryption itself is solid enough it shouldn't be possible to crack.

FreeOTFE is apparently no longer being maintained, which is the reason why TrueCrypt gave for marking their software as "insecure."

I'm just looking through this list on Wikipedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compari...ption_software


If open-source, Windows-compatible, and continued support are the requirements, DiskCryptor looks promising:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DiskCryptor


Another option might be ProxyCrypt, which is used in conjunction with an image mounting program/driver. It's a command-line only interface for creating the containers though.
http://reboot.pro/files/file/412-proxycrypt/
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I've been playing with freeOTFE (http://sourceforge.net/projects/freeotfe.mirror/) this afternoon, and that appears to be the best candidate for me to replace truecrypt. Sad to see TC go, but I guess that is the case.
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Originally Posted by LolaRennt View Post
I've been playing with freeOTFE (http://sourceforge.net/projects/freeotfe.mirror/) this afternoon, and that appears to be the best candidate for me to replace truecrypt. Sad to see TC go, but I guess that is the case.
if it's that good, how much longer until it's the next to shut down?
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wikipedia

The 3 letter agency has to want the data bad enough. I believe what you are seeing with the current state of truecrypt is a result. You don't have to believe it...

The ability to crack encryption changes daily...
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Originally Posted by RoyalTea View Post
if it's that good, how much longer until it's the next to shut down?
Well, FreeOTFE has been more abandoned instead of shut down. The last version of it was released in 2010, and its previous homepage shutdown. So it's not in any better shape than TrueCrypt right now.

More info in the TrueCrypt shutdown. Basically the developers didn't want to update it anymore, and decided to shut it down and call it unsecure to deter people from continuing to use it. It'll likely be forked in some way.
https://www.grc.com/misc/truecrypt/truecrypt.htm

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wikipedia
Wikipedia has links to sources. I doubt the FBI would pursue court cases to force the defendants to give up the passwords if they could easily crack the software.

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The 3 letter agency has to want the data bad enough. I believe what you are seeing with the current state of truecrypt is a result. You don't have to believe it...
The evidence is that the TrueCrypt developers just got tired of maintaining the software for free, not that it's actually compromised.

And while encryption tech changes all the time, the underlying encryption is such that it'd take an advancement like quantum computing to make hacking it feasible.
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I had already saved the TC installer since I was kind of expecting this to happen. Definitely would be nice if a fork came out soon.

ProxyCrypt looks really nice. Just set up a couple batch files and it's a breeze to use. I had already been using ImDisk for years to mount ISOs and am already familiar with some of the command line uses. TC supports command lines too though it was kind of iffy so I just used the gui.
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You can do whatever you want, I would never use a publicly available software (paid or not) and expect security from the federal government.

You will never know what went on behind the scenes of any situation.

With regards to 'breaking encryption', think outside the box. If you are brute forcing, you need advancements like quantum computing, if you find other ways to an end, you don't. For example, the SSL encryption that everyone relies on for secure web transactions is no where near as secure as you think it might be. Am I expecting someone to brute force it? no, there are other ways.

Protecting your files from family members, etc, is another story. These encryption tools (even out of date ones) will do that just fine.

What are you protecting your data against? That is the question you need to ask. If it's nothing highly illegal, continue to use truecrypt to hide your files from others until a crack becomes freely downloadable.
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See how long this lasts.
http://truecrypt.ch/
Old 06-02-14, 02:05 PM
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Originally Posted by 4KRG View Post
You can do whatever you want, I would never use a publicly available software (paid or not) and expect security from the federal government.
What's your explanation for those cases where the FBI was not able to access TrueCrypt drives without the password then?

Originally Posted by 4KRG View Post
You will never know what went on behind the scenes of any situation.
TrueCrypt is open source, and is in the middle of a 3rd party security audit. Even if you don't trust the audit, you could inspect the code yourself to see if there's any issues with it.

Originally Posted by 4KRG View Post
With regards to 'breaking encryption', think outside the box. If you are brute forcing, you need advancements like quantum computing, if you find other ways to an end, you don't. For example, the SSL encryption that everyone relies on for secure web transactions is no where near as secure as you think it might be. Am I expecting someone to brute force it? no, there are other ways.
SSL is tricky as it's attempting to establish a trusted, secure, connection between two strangers over the open internet. And individual implementations can be flawed.

However, what other way is there to get into a TrueCrypt volume other than knowing the password? Please provide me with at least one example.
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Re: TrueCrypt dead - similar programs?

My take on this is "why do you need such strong encryption?" I mean, if you don't want your kids to find your porn stash you don't need such strong encryption, same goes for your wife or girlfriend/boyfriend. And, as several people have said - you're NOT GOING to be keeping the 3 letter government agencies out for long, they'll find a way to break any encryption (most likely).
So, I am just curious - what the heck are you protecting and who the heck are you trying to keep out of that file or volume?
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Re: TrueCrypt dead - similar programs?

I've used TrueCrypt at work to encrypt laptops for employees that were travelling, particularly overseas to Europe or Asia where they were carrying unreleased and sensitive material.

I was actually waiting to see if TrueCrypt would support Windows 8, so it wouldn't surprise me if this was just because they were dropping support.
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And, as several people have said - you're NOT GOING to be keeping the 3 letter government agencies out for long, they'll find a way to break any encryption (most likely).
Actually, only one person has been saying that Truecrypt could be hacked, 4KRG, and even he acknowledges that the encryption itself can't be cracked.

So, I am just curious - what the heck are you protecting and who the heck are you trying to keep out of that file or volume?
I made a volume to store PDFs of my tax documents. So files I want on hand, but don't need access to all the time (so the TC volume can stay unmounted and inaccessible), and I wouldn't want falling into the hands of criminals (if my PC got stolen).

funmanstan mentioned business usage, but it could also just be general personal usage, where you wouldn't want family photos to be in the hands of a stranger, so you use FDE on your laptop.

Smartphones are often encrypting user data. An iPhone can be "wiped" remotely via changing the encryption key. So if we have FDE on our phones, why not our computers?

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I was actually waiting to see if TrueCrypt would support Windows 8, so it wouldn't surprise me if this was just because they were dropping support.
A big reason seems to be they didn't want to figure out support for Win8 and UEFI and GPT.
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That is a good point about UEFI. I expect the audit to cme clean. Not sure how long it will take.

I never used TC for whole disk encryption, just used it for the file containers for things like account logins and numbers, and tax and banking PDFs. And I then encrypt the file container with another program for archiving.
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Anyone try VeraCrypt yet?

It has pretty much the same GUI as TrueCrypt but has patched two critical TC flaws. I just made a few test file containers with it and it works good.

It takes longer to decrypt, like 10-15 seconds. But good thing about that is it makes brute force cracking much harder.
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I've been using VeraCrypt for a few months after converting my old TC containers over. I haven't had any problems.
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Yep. I switched over to VeraCrypt a few months ago and like it. It takes longer to mount an encrypted volume (because that was one of the big flaws in TrueCrypt), but once the container is mounted, it's as fast as always. And the near carbon-copy UI means almost no learning curve if you're already familiar with TrueCrypt.

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