HP bails on TouchPad after one month...
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units shipped apple is way behind HP. but if you look at the profits then apple takes home most of the profits in the desktop/laptop market. if not most then enough to leave everyone else with the crumbs.
apple makes a nice profit on every single computer they sell. HP sells most of their computers for little or no profit. most of their high end computer customers went Mac over the last few years.
even unit volume of computers over $1000 i think apple leads in that category. and that's where most of the profits are
same with phones. last i read apple takes home 66% of all cell phone profits.
it's an old business strategy. even disney did something like this years ago
apple makes a nice profit on every single computer they sell. HP sells most of their computers for little or no profit. most of their high end computer customers went Mac over the last few years.
even unit volume of computers over $1000 i think apple leads in that category. and that's where most of the profits are
same with phones. last i read apple takes home 66% of all cell phone profits.
it's an old business strategy. even disney did something like this years ago
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I was skeptical when IBM left the PC biz but it seems to be working out very well for them. I'm surprised HP is leaving the printer market, too.
So HP wants to compete with IBM, not Dell, is it too late for that? Maybe not. Seems like good news for Dell, but not Microsoft.
So HP wants to compete with IBM, not Dell, is it too late for that? Maybe not. Seems like good news for Dell, but not Microsoft.
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Why do I care if it ran "twice as fast on an iPad 2"? For $100, having a solid, quick (I'll admit my use of the device has been limited, but it did everything I threw at it quickly) device for some basic web tools would work out great for the folks and to tinker around with.
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even if HP did make a profit on each PC they sold it's still a mature no growth business that is perfect for dumping to someone else. just wait until Mac growth stops to see what apple will do with the product.
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Why do I care if it ran "twice as fast on an iPad 2"? For $100, having a solid, quick (I'll admit my use of the device has been limited, but it did everything I threw at it quickly) device for some basic web tools would work out great for the folks and to tinker around with.
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I was skeptical when IBM left the PC biz but it seems to be working out very well for them. I'm surprised HP is leaving the printer market, too.
So HP wants to compete with IBM, not Dell, is it too late for that? Maybe not. Seems like good news for Dell, but not Microsoft.
So HP wants to compete with IBM, not Dell, is it too late for that? Maybe not. Seems like good news for Dell, but not Microsoft.
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GE and IBM aren't the same companies as they were 50 years ago. a lot of products get commoditized and american companies usually dump them to the asians.
even if HP did make a profit on each PC they sold it's still a mature no growth business that is perfect for dumping to someone else. just wait until Mac growth stops to see what apple will do with the product.
even if HP did make a profit on each PC they sold it's still a mature no growth business that is perfect for dumping to someone else. just wait until Mac growth stops to see what apple will do with the product.
What's surprising is that Apple never gave in to the pricing pressure. Their computers have always been expensive and still are expensive. Apple has no reason to lower the prices as their PCs are still selling in large numbers even at higher costs.
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and just by coincidence dell got downgraded to sell today after releasing some OK earnings. i talked to a sales rep for one of our vendors earlier this year and noticed that he was trying to push services and not hardware like servers. if i had to guess, servers are already a commodity and services will be commoditized soon as well. all that money HP and dell spent on services companies will not be made back since there will probably be some kind of race to the bottom. wouldn't surprise me if HP bought them out to be a super competitor to IBM
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http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011...r-Results.html
http://images.apple.com/pr/pdf/fy11q3datasum.pdf
http://h30261.www3.hp.com/phoenix.zh...003&highlight=
That revenue placed Apple in third place in US sales, but they don't appear in worldwide sales at all (not separated out):
http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/20...mains-soft.ars
I can't find any info on what Apple's actual profits for its PC sales are though.
even unit volume of computers over $1000 i think apple leads in that category. and that's where most of the profits are
http://www.betanews.com/joewilcox/ar...NPD/1248313624
However, +$1000 PCs are a bit of a niche market nowadays. A profitable niche, per item, but not a large one.
Apple got it's foothold in the computer business because dell and HP ...
even then apple is not trying to go into the low end of the market probably because they do a lot of business with microsoft.
http://www.intomobile.com/2011/08/03...tom-processor/
However, if it's the same instruction set, then it doesn't matter what the internal design is, from a software standpoint. Think of it this way: Intel and AMD have different architectures, but use (mainly) the same x86/x64 instruction set. Thus programs and OSes can be run on either without customization. In fact, the only software customization for AMD or Intel is for their proprietary instruction sets.
As to the slashdot article you referenced:
http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/0...rn-From-the-PC
It's about the hardware platforms that surround ARM processors, and it's not about the problems of customization, but the opposite: the problems with maintenance and consolidation of all the customized code.
http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wirele...truction-ahead
To get a sense of how this started, Likely explained, one has to go back quite a few years, to when ARM manufacturers first started adding Linux support on their devices. Unlike the desktop and server models for Linux development, where the motto for kernel features is "consolidate, consolidate, consolidate," embedded device manufactures had a different set of pressures. Namely, the marketplace, and the accompanying pressure to build a device quickly and cheaply, get that device out on the market as fast as possible, then turn around and do it again.
This code, rinse, repeat cycle Likely described was undertaken not just by one ARM manufacturer, but pretty much all of them. Device-specific changes would be introduced to Linux kernels running on the hardware, with little thought about consolidation, even across individual device models.
This code, rinse, repeat cycle Likely described was undertaken not just by one ARM manufacturer, but pretty much all of them. Device-specific changes would be introduced to Linux kernels running on the hardware, with little thought about consolidation, even across individual device models.
All this to say that if the Snapdragon CPU in the Touchpad isn't as fast as the A5 for running WebOS, it's the fault of the CPU, not the software.
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Yes, it seems odd to me that HP would ditch the two segments (phone and tablet) that are geared for nothing but growth. Why not announce a shift and drop desktops? That might make more sense. Likewise, Dell tried to mimic Apple with a premium line, but dropped that within a year since it didn't sell well. Why so quick to abandon something?? We've seen Apple fail with something like the Apple TV, but yet the continue at it before cutting their losses or making it work. ATV2 saw a huge sales increase when price and accessibility came together.
Another thing I have noticed with Dell is that they seem to be focusing on any number of products instead of their own devices. It's like they've gradually shifted into CDW. If you're on their site you have to dig about 4 layers deep to get to the monitor section and even then the Dell monitor's aren't necessarily featured. Although they have gotten a bit better about it lately. Point being their monitors sell well and are generally regarded as one of their strong points. Why hide that and make it difficult for consumers to find?
If anything I think these companies have struggled because they put out too many shoddy products. Instead of focusing on quality, they look to lowest common denominator. I do think that worked for a good part of the 2000s, but there was a shift at the end of the decade and Apple was ahead of the curve.
Another thing I have noticed with Dell is that they seem to be focusing on any number of products instead of their own devices. It's like they've gradually shifted into CDW. If you're on their site you have to dig about 4 layers deep to get to the monitor section and even then the Dell monitor's aren't necessarily featured. Although they have gotten a bit better about it lately. Point being their monitors sell well and are generally regarded as one of their strong points. Why hide that and make it difficult for consumers to find?
If anything I think these companies have struggled because they put out too many shoddy products. Instead of focusing on quality, they look to lowest common denominator. I do think that worked for a good part of the 2000s, but there was a shift at the end of the decade and Apple was ahead of the curve.
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Before the Touchpad, HP was making a Windows Tablet called the HP Slate. They abandoned that before it reached market, but they obviously didn't abandon the tablet market as a whole.
I'm guessing HP may bounce back with either Windows Phone or Android compatible devices.
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The announcement was the HP was abandoning WebOS devices, not necessarily tablets and phones as a whole.
Before the Touchpad, HP was making a Windows Tablet called the HP Slate. They abandoned that before it reached market, but they obviously didn't abandon the tablet market as a whole.
I'm guessing HP may bounce back with either Windows Phone or Android compatible devices.
Before the Touchpad, HP was making a Windows Tablet called the HP Slate. They abandoned that before it reached market, but they obviously didn't abandon the tablet market as a whole.
I'm guessing HP may bounce back with either Windows Phone or Android compatible devices.
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Completely incorrect. They are thinking of selling their PSG (personal systems group) just like IBM did 5 years ago by selling off the low end PC business to Lenovo. HP will focus on networking, enterprise, servers, etc...higher margin hardware.
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Just read that the 16gb touchpad may drop to as little as $99. At that price I might bite on it even knowing it's dead technology.
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The announcement was the HP was abandoning WebOS devices, not necessarily tablets and phones as a whole.
Before the Touchpad, HP was making a Windows Tablet called the HP Slate. They abandoned that before it reached market, but they obviously didn't abandon the tablet market as a whole.
I'm guessing HP may bounce back with either Windows Phone or Android compatible devices.
Before the Touchpad, HP was making a Windows Tablet called the HP Slate. They abandoned that before it reached market, but they obviously didn't abandon the tablet market as a whole.
I'm guessing HP may bounce back with either Windows Phone or Android compatible devices.
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Buy it now. the 16gb is already OOS on HP(or perhaps a holder or "test of sorts"?). The 32gb is $150 and can use $30 coupon "SAVE30HP"
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32 gb isn't showing up as $150 for me. It's showing up as $499.
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Showing up as $499 for me as well. Hopefully other stores will drop their prices, too. I wouldn't mind picking one up at this price just to play with.
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Wow....damn cheap. Costco pulled all of them already (except the display). Pretty nuts. $100 sounds good...but you're probably better off spending a bit more and getting a used iPad.