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Old 05-28-04, 10:02 AM
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It's a start--spammer sentenced to 7 years

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040528/D82RIUHO0.html

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BUFFALO, N.Y. (AP) - A man who sent 850 million junk e-mails through accounts he opened with stolen identities was sentenced to up to seven years in prison on Thursday.

Atlanta-based Internet service provider Earthlink Inc. said it hoped the sentence and an earlier $16.4 million civil judgment against Howard Carmack will deter other spammers.

"Before spammers send one more spam e-mail, we think they should remember that what happened to Howard Carmack can happen to them," said Karen Casion, Earthlink's assistant general counsel.

Jurors sentenced Carmack to seven years for convictions in March of forgery, identity theft and falsifying business records. He must serve a minimum 3 1/2 years.

Earthlink said Carmack ran 343 illegal e-mail accounts under false names from 2002 until his arrest last May, using them to send unsolicited e-mail ads for things like get-rich-quick schemes and sexual enhancers.

Carmack told the judge he believed the case against him was overblown, saying there were no victims. "I obviously regret this whole involvement," he said.

Carmack was convicted of defrauding EarthLink and eight men from New York, Ohio and Washington, D.C. Last May, the company won a $16.4 million civil judgment against Carmack. "

Serving at least 3.5 years, and having a 16.4 million civil suit against you is a start. Of course, when spam now accounts for 1/2 of all email traffic, and costing American businesses more than 10 billion a year, we have a ways to go at the REST of these spamming scumbags.

What gets me most is this:
"Carmack told the judge he believed the case against him was overblown, saying there were no victims. "
Hel-LO?!?! I'm paying 45 bucks a month for internet access, in part to pay people to create ways to BLOCK your crap. If you're going to spam, at least be honest like that other guy and say 'I know it's wrong, but tough, I do it to make money.' Don't try to make yourself into some blind dumb martyr.
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Old 05-28-04, 10:43 AM
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I still don't see what's wrong with spam. I've yet to see a single person claim that the penis enlargement pills don't work, or that they were ripped off.
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Old 05-28-04, 10:45 AM
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Well he wasn't arrested for spamming.
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kaze0: I'm hoping you're being sarcastic. And if they *requested* growth pill emails or emails detailing multiple methods of "L*0WeR-Ing yOUr [email protected]!" then that's well and good. I know I never have. And how many people claim they use those pills in the first place?

spainlinx0: True, he wasn't. Currently the spam laws, and more so at the time of his arrest, are not very forceful. But if they use
"forgery, identity theft and falsifying business records" as a method to get the spammers, as long as the spammer actually did those things, I don't have a problem with that, until CAN-SPAM gets some teeth, if ever. Kinda like using RICO to go after mobsters [although like any law, there can be unintended consequences].
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Excellent news
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Old 05-29-04, 01:37 AM
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All spammers should get the chair if you ask me.

Why can't they track spam to the source and get the authorities to take proper action?
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great, another negative for western NY to be known for

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glad they convicted him
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There has to be some idiot out there who purchases something off a spam email - otherwise, they would've given up long ago. I wanna know who the moran is who thought they could trust a mortgage company that couldn't spell mortgage right. Also - why would a spammer think someone who tries to block words like "viagra" and "mortgage" would buy something from them anyway ever?? I'd like an icon on my desktop or something where I could click it and a spammer somewhere in the world would spontaneously die by choking on his own stomach bile.
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You don't think people click on those links, but some of the less computer literate people do. I work with a guy who clicked on one of those must have vacation deals. Gave them his debit card, b/c we all know to get that deal you have to put up $500 of your own cash first. Fortunately I worked with him that night after the morning he did it. He told me about the great deal and I lauged. He was clueless. I told him he needed to call his bank, close the account right away before the charge went through. Dispute it if it did go through. But mostly make sure the account was closed so they couldn't repeatedly try and get money.

lol.

On a related note. Mindspring was the great about filtering junk mail. One of the best. Then Earthlink bought them out and quickly became the worst.. overnight. I dumped them shortly thereafter.
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Unfortunately, you're right. These people wouldn't do it if they didn't make money, and there's always some dumbass/hopeful person who things, 'Wow, I can get rich/cheaper mortgage/diploma/larger'. The best thing about email/internet on a personal basis, that it's easy to use and cheap, is the worst thing on a spamming basis. It's so cheap to send out a million emails, and if one sucker sends them money, they're ahead. And of course the person is out the money.
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He better hope the guys in his prison weren't buying his "penis enlargement" pills.
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did you laugh at Mogley in the wedding dress? Because I think you watched Dennis Miller last night
he made the same joke

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He better hope the guys in his prison weren't buying his "penis enlargement" pills.
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I still don't see what's wrong with spam.
One complaint is that nearly all e-mail volume is now comprised of spam (~82%). A handful of spammers (~200 worldwide account for 90%+ of all spam), have appropriated billions of dollars worth of communications infrastructure for their own twisted ends.

The ever-increasing torrent of spam (along with adware and spyware) is flooding the Internet with electronic garbage, making computing less and less worthwhile for legitimate users.

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Exactly. At least junk snail mail costs them money, and helps to subsidize 'real' mail. But spam [like junk faxes] mostly and continually costs the *receiver*, not the sender. And I'm sorry, it's not 'free speech', that's a BS argument.
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Originally posted by mikehunt
did you laugh at Mogley in the wedding dress? Because I think you watched Dennis Miller last night
he made the same joke
I wasn't watching Miller, but the joke is the obvious one, isn't it?
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