Best Buy to Stop Selling CDs Effective 7/1, Target Pushes Away CD & DVD Industry
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Re: Best Buy to Stop Selling CDs Effective 7/1, Target Pushes Away CD & DVD Industry
I have been car shopping recently and discovered that Chevrolet no longer installs CD players in their new vehicles. I bought a 2017 Nissan Altima that still has a CD player installed, but the 2017 Chevrolet Equinox that my sister bought didn't have one. She still listens to a lot of CDs and she almost didn't buy it when she found out it didn't come with a CD player installed. My old car was a 2008 Chevy Malibu and I burned podcasts to CDs to listen to them while I drive. It was frustrating though since I was limited to 79 minutes and 55 seconds of content. My new car has a CD player, Bluetooth, a USB port, and an Auxiliary cable to use to play music with. I have now started downloading podcasts on a Flash Drive and playing them via the USB port.
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My car is a 2015 and it doesn't have a CD player either. I ripped all my CD's and put them on a thumb drive and I have my entire collection at my fingertips. Yeah, it was kind of a pain to do that all at once, but I would never go back to CD's in my car.
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My 2017 Mazda CX-5 doesn't have a CD player (although apparently the Japanese version still has it). I thought I would miss it, but I either listen to XM radio, stream from my phone via Bluetooth, or use a USB thumb drive.
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Hey, I'm complaining more about the lowering of the bar that streaming involves rather than the intentional blaming of the technology. Streaming would be really quite viable *if all the companies offered either uncompressed-16 bit, DRM-free .WAV audio or lossless .FLACs. But they do not. That a hard fact. 99% of music streaming is compressed mp3 or aac at garbage bitrates. This is "intentional" by the RIAA and streaming services, in order that they might save those extra pennies in bandwidth costs, all while charging the same or MORE for each song downloaded, as the equivalent CD cost per track.
Streaming has the potential to be *much better* than CDs, since 10000s of songs could be at our fingertips. But, fideltity has been made to artificially suffer in that construct because of corporate greed and niggardliness.
The argument that 16-bit .FLACS are bandwidth heavy no longer holds water when 50-100mbps internet connections are common, and a full CD uncompressed can be downloaded in only a minute or two at those speeds. It's infuriating, but an intentional conditioning of the masses to lower the bar in audio fidelity.
Streaming has the potential to be *much better* than CDs, since 10000s of songs could be at our fingertips. But, fideltity has been made to artificially suffer in that construct because of corporate greed and niggardliness.
The argument that 16-bit .FLACS are bandwidth heavy no longer holds water when 50-100mbps internet connections are common, and a full CD uncompressed can be downloaded in only a minute or two at those speeds. It's infuriating, but an intentional conditioning of the masses to lower the bar in audio fidelity.
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I have been car shopping recently and discovered that Chevrolet no longer installs CD players in their new vehicles. I bought a 2017 Nissan Altima that still has a CD player installed, but the 2017 Chevrolet Equinox that my sister bought didn't have one. She still listens to a lot of CDs and she almost didn't buy it when she found out it didn't come with a CD player installed. My old car was a 2008 Chevy Malibu and I burned podcasts to CDs to listen to them while I drive. It was frustrating though since I was limited to 79 minutes and 55 seconds of content. My new car has a CD player, Bluetooth, a USB port, and an Auxiliary cable to use to play music with. I have now started downloading podcasts on a Flash Drive and playing them via the USB port.
New Hondas are fairly hostile to installing CD players in them.
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That does kind of suck, but it has been a long time coming. Their music section has been slowly dwindling over the last couple of years, to what it is now. If it isn't something that came out this month, or one of the top 20 or so selling albums of all time, they aren't going to have it in store.
I wonder how they plan to use the same space to generate OVER 40 million dollars in a year?
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Joking aside, CDs are clearly dying and if Best Buy doesn't adapt they become Circuit City or Sears.
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My car doesn't have a CD player and I still buy CDs; I just rip them to my computer, then sync the albums to my iPhone. IMO, it's way more convenient having fifteen digital albums sitting on my phone, than having to deal with swapping discs in and out of a player. When I rip the album, I do a one-to-one copy, so what's sitting on my phone is an exact copy of what was on the CD.
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I got a free copy of Metallica's newest CD nearly a year ago, and I still can't be bothered to rip it. I put all my music on a 32 GB thumb drive that pretty much stays in my car all the time unless I'm adding new music to it.
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$40M sounds like gross sales which isn't that big a deal -- how much net just on the product? 40M on 40B gross sales.
Then how much cost of employee time is spent restocking, organizing, resetting, security, and of course what else could they put there to generate any sort of revenue on 100-200 sq ft of floor space per store. I'm going to guess several hours per week per store -- even at a superconservative 2 hrs per store per week for US 1000 150 in Canada -- $10/hr salary -- that appears to be $12M in salary and I'm guessing the net profit margin on CD is a bit short of 25% just to break even even if you were trying to tread water to generate foot traffic.
Then how much cost of employee time is spent restocking, organizing, resetting, security, and of course what else could they put there to generate any sort of revenue on 100-200 sq ft of floor space per store. I'm going to guess several hours per week per store -- even at a superconservative 2 hrs per store per week for US 1000 150 in Canada -- $10/hr salary -- that appears to be $12M in salary and I'm guessing the net profit margin on CD is a bit short of 25% just to break even even if you were trying to tread water to generate foot traffic.
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Hey, I'm complaining more about the lowering of the bar that streaming involves rather than the intentional blaming of the technology. Streaming would be really quite viable *if all the companies offered either uncompressed-16 bit, DRM-free .WAV audio or lossless .FLACs. But they do not. That a hard fact. 99% of music streaming is compressed mp3 or aac at garbage bitrates. This is "intentional" by the RIAA and streaming services, in order that they might save those extra pennies in bandwidth costs, all while charging the same or MORE for each song downloaded, as the equivalent CD cost per track.
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I bought Partner's "In Search of Lost Time" from the website a few months back, but that's the only CD I've bought from Best Buy in years and years.
I guess the last album I bought for myself at a B&M would be Chvrches' "Every Open Eye" since Target had a couple exclusive bonus tracks. No idea what it would've been before that.
My CDs nowadays are probably a mix of amazon.com, barnesandnoble.com (when there's a coupon), eBay, or directly from a label/artist.
I guess the last album I bought for myself at a B&M would be Chvrches' "Every Open Eye" since Target had a couple exclusive bonus tracks. No idea what it would've been before that.
My CDs nowadays are probably a mix of amazon.com, barnesandnoble.com (when there's a coupon), eBay, or directly from a label/artist.
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The last CD I bought from Best Buy was probably Chinese Democracy, because that was the only place to buy it. And I bought it for like 5 bucks when they were clearancing them out.
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After the CD player died in the wife's car, I got her an ipod nano (yes, they still exist!)--easy navigation for albums, playlists, etc.
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My car doesn't have a CD player and I still buy CDs; I just rip them to my computer, then sync the albums to my iPhone. IMO, it's way more convenient having fifteen digital albums sitting on my phone, than having to deal with swapping discs in and out of a player. When I rip the album, I do a one-to-one copy, so what's sitting on my phone is an exact copy of what was on the CD.
Even though I've not purchased a CD from BB in a very long time, this doesn't bode well for local distribution. WM has been a joke for a very long time, partly due to censorship but also selection, so this'll leave Target as the only viable local option (we have a Barns and Noble but the selection isn't that good). All the mom & pop "record" shops here closed years ago and Hasting shuttering last year was a major hit.
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Sad really. Loudness war, what's that?
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There's 3 thousand or so some odd songs on my thumb drive. My best friend thinks that's crazy. He has probably less than 300 songs on his.
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Same here - I complained to both the dealership and manufacturer about that! It took 6 months for me to rip most of my collection to flac files. I must admit, it's far more convenient for the car, and that CD stays home, but it was a royal pain getting everything ripped properly. And the car player still won't play them seamless when tracks crossfade, etc. in spite of them being flac files! That meant additional special measures to keep such tracks properly intact for the car.
Even though I've not purchased a CD from BB in a very long time, this doesn't bode well for local distribution. WM has been a joke for a very long time, partly due to censorship but also selection, so this'll leave Target as the only viable local option (we have a Barns and Noble but the selection isn't that good). All the mom & pop "record" shops here closed years ago and Hasting shuttering last year was a major hit.
Even though I've not purchased a CD from BB in a very long time, this doesn't bode well for local distribution. WM has been a joke for a very long time, partly due to censorship but also selection, so this'll leave Target as the only viable local option (we have a Barns and Noble but the selection isn't that good). All the mom & pop "record" shops here closed years ago and Hasting shuttering last year was a major hit.
As far as my local options, I'm afraid I really won't have many once BB and Target stop selling CDs. Of course, there's a Walmart near me, but they rarely ever have anything on sale so I'd be better off ordering from Amazon if Walmart is too expensive. It's funny, today I was thinking about going to pick up a certain CD and thought about Best Buy. The only reason I'm going there is because I have a Reward Zone certificate, but once that is used I am done giving them my business. Same goes for Target - so it looks like it'll be all Walmart from now on if I really want to buy locally. The two Barnes & Noble near me have no CD or DVD/Blu section, so that's not an option, which is fine since they're a bit pricey anyway.
For older albums we have two local record shops but their CD selections remain limited and sometimes overpriced, but I don't mind paying a little more if it's from a small business. Other than that I have some thrift stores near me, but you can never go into one of those stores looking for anything specific.
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I still listen to CDs in my car on occasion, but I can't remember the last one I purchased. I used to be very active in the live show trading community, all shows legally traded and not official releases. I've amassed a great number of shows, but the problem with dealing with those tracks is that they are all given very generic track names, often not including any info like song name or artist, just a track number and maybe a date. Burned onto a CD, that doesn't matter, but trying to add them to a mp3 player would be an organizational nightmare. I know I will likely be looking for a new car in the next couple of years, and I fear not having that CD option.
As much as a movie collector as I am now, I was once a CD collector. I live in a small town that's geographically isolated. Locally, I only had Camelot Music and Musicland at the mall from which to choose, aside from places like Wal-Mart that typically didn't have the type of music I was looking for. Best Buy was about an hour drive from where I lived, but it was like an oasis. They always had a good selection and good prices. I loved going through the rows of CDs to see all they had, coming across unexpected treasures. My nearest Best Buy has already been reduced to one small row of music. It's a shame to see all that ending, sort of an end of an era, but I suppose it was inevitable.
As much as a movie collector as I am now, I was once a CD collector. I live in a small town that's geographically isolated. Locally, I only had Camelot Music and Musicland at the mall from which to choose, aside from places like Wal-Mart that typically didn't have the type of music I was looking for. Best Buy was about an hour drive from where I lived, but it was like an oasis. They always had a good selection and good prices. I loved going through the rows of CDs to see all they had, coming across unexpected treasures. My nearest Best Buy has already been reduced to one small row of music. It's a shame to see all that ending, sort of an end of an era, but I suppose it was inevitable.
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I still listen to CDs in my car on occasion, but I can't remember the last one I purchased.
As much as a movie collector as I am now, I was once a CD collector. I live in a small town that's geographically isolated. Locally, I only had Camelot Music and Musicland at the mall from which to choose, aside from places like Wal-Mart that typically didn't have the type of music I was looking for. Best Buy was about an hour drive from where I lived, but it was like an oasis. They always had a good selection and good prices. I loved going through the rows of CDs to see all they had, coming across unexpected treasures. My nearest Best Buy has already been reduced to one small row of music. It's a shame to see all that ending, sort of an end of an era, but I suppose it was inevitable.
As much as a movie collector as I am now, I was once a CD collector. I live in a small town that's geographically isolated. Locally, I only had Camelot Music and Musicland at the mall from which to choose, aside from places like Wal-Mart that typically didn't have the type of music I was looking for. Best Buy was about an hour drive from where I lived, but it was like an oasis. They always had a good selection and good prices. I loved going through the rows of CDs to see all they had, coming across unexpected treasures. My nearest Best Buy has already been reduced to one small row of music. It's a shame to see all that ending, sort of an end of an era, but I suppose it was inevitable.
I also miss Best Buy's heyday when they had tons of rows of CDs. I always found so many good titles and even a few imports that were otherwise hard to find for a reasonable price.
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The problem with my car is the interface is a little bit older, so although I can stream from my phone, it doesn't display the library up on the screen in my car, so if I want to select a different album or playlist I have to do it from my phone. Because of this I have to queue songs if I know what I want to listen to, otherwise I just use CDs - I find it much easier to just swap out a disc as opposed to having to pick up the phone, unlock it and scroll to where I want to get to - which I obviously couldn't even do if I was driving.
I also miss Best Buy's heyday when they had tons of rows of CDs. I always found so many good titles and even a few imports that were otherwise hard to find for a reasonable price.
I also miss Best Buy's heyday when they had tons of rows of CDs. I always found so many good titles and even a few imports that were otherwise hard to find for a reasonable price.
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All I have in my car is an auxiliary input, which actually doesn't work anymore. I don't even keep music on my phone much less have anywhere near my catalog. If I could just use a thumb drive to scroll through bunches of folders in my car, I'd probably listen to more music. As it is, I mainly listen to NPR now. I think that's a sure sign I'm getting old.
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I still buy CDs somewhat regularly, but rarely listen to them anywhere but in the car. It's still nice to have a relatively high quality copy -- they've always seemed like a comfortable middle ground between quality (vinyl) and convenience (mp3s). I think what killed the market for them was a stauch refusal to drop prices on new and catalog releases: new releases were $15 or so 20 years ago, and they're still nearly that expensive in stores now. Absolutely NO single-disc new release should be more than $10 ever, and catalog stuff should be $5 at the most.