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TheMovieman 05-21-14 03:51 PM

Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
I've noticed that every upcoming Warner title I checked has "Sign up to be notified when this item becomes available" and not available for pre-order. Is there some kind of legal dispute between them or something? Also, it appears only to be pre-orders because recent releases like Nikita: Season 4 (which came out yesterday) is available for order.

Edit: BTW, if a mod wants to move this to the Store Front, might be more appropriate there...

davidh777 05-21-14 04:12 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
Yeah, I just noticed this for the Strike Back and True Detective (only a couple weeks away) pre-orders. Your theory would make sense.

Adam Tyner 05-21-14 04:21 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
I don't think it's anything to fret about. Amazon and Warner have some weird kind of data feed that hiccups every once in a while. Last year, I think it was, every single Warner release listed Shannon Tweed in the cast. It started that way on wbshop.com first before filtering down to Amazon, so it seemed like Warner was the source of the issue there. It doesn't look like it's the same exact issue this time (since wbshop.com looks okay), but I bet it's something similarly harmless.

TheMovieman 05-21-14 04:32 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 

Originally Posted by Adam Tyner (Post 12113501)
I don't think it's anything to fret about. Amazon and Warner have some weird kind of data feed that hiccups every once in a while. Last year, I think it was, every single Warner release listed Shannon Tweed in the cast. It started that way on wbshop.com first before filtering down to Amazon, so it seemed like Warner was the source of the issue there. It doesn't look like it's the same exact issue this time (since wbshop.com looks okay), but I bet it's something similarly harmless.

Ah, ok. That was a strange data feed, indeed though, lol.

Why So Blu? 05-30-14 11:58 AM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
Looks like it's still glitched up.

DJariya 05-30-14 12:40 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
True Detective is scheduled to be released in about 2 weeks and you still can't buy it. Same goes with other future WB releases like Pretty Little Liars, the 300 sequel etc.

Shannon Nutt 05-30-14 02:00 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
I have True Detective prebooked already through Amazon...I hope the glitch doesn't screw up getting my preorder on release day.

davidh777 05-30-14 02:21 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
The LEGO Movie too. Someone must be in hot water over this.

Why So Blu? 05-30-14 05:47 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
Yeah, any WB title due to be released this Tuesday is not available for pre-order.

Texan26 05-31-14 11:38 AM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
Amazon is also not allowing preorders for books published by Hachette. They have a dispute going on with them. So maybe it's the same with Warner.

Article on the dispute: http://www.latimes.com/business/la-f...527-story.html

PhantomStranger 05-31-14 12:49 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
Amazon and Warner are negotiating a retailing agreement at the current time. This is Amazon's way of leveraging their business to get cheaper wholesale prices from Warner. The larger studios all negotiate directly with Amazon, which is why you often see smaller fry end up with poorer discounts.

Strapped4Cash 05-31-14 02:30 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
I'd had several of these titles in my WishList for months, for most of that time they were regularly available for pre-order, and then around 2 months ago or so they switched to the current "Unavailable" status, which is how they've been ever since.

There have been quite a few articles written about the Hachette book publishing dispute, but I haven't seen a similar coverage of what's happening with WB. Which surprised me. As I commented on in the weekly Best Buy/Target ads in the DVD section, this is the first time in a long time that the regular b&m DVD/BR outlets don't have to compete with Amazon on some of these products, and would have thought that they would have highlighted titles like Falling Skies, Pretty Little Liars, etc. so as to get as many customers to buy from them as possible, and to lend strength to WB against Amazon. Eventually WB and Amazon will reach terms, but the better the terms for WB, the better able to compete will be WM, BB, etc.

Strapped4Cash 05-31-14 02:32 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 

Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt (Post 12122043)
I have True Detective prebooked already through Amazon...I hope the glitch doesn't screw up getting my preorder on release day.

If this continues on until then, please keep us posted. I'm extremely curious to see if Amazon still fulfills the pre-orders made before these were switched to Unavailable, delays them, or cancels them outright.

Good luck to you.

Shannon Nutt 06-02-14 07:03 AM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
Does anyone have a Warners DVD or Blu-ray preorder that has a 6/3 release? I'd be interested to know if your items shipped or if Amazon updated your order to reflect a latter shipping/arrival date.

Strapped4Cash 06-02-14 02:10 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
Tomorrow's new releases are available again, but not later pre-orders such as True Detective. It seems that Amazon doesn't want to not sell these at all.

Shannon Nutt 06-02-14 04:54 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 

Originally Posted by Strapped4Cash (Post 12124754)
Tomorrow's new releases are available again, but not later pre-orders such as True Detective. It seems that Amazon doesn't want to not sell these at all.

I've read on other forums that prebooks are shipping and that titles that are released tomorrow (such as Nutty Professor boxed set and True Blood Season 6) are now available for ordering. Seems like Amazon is still not taking prebooks for titles further out though.

Strapped4Cash 06-02-14 05:50 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
Thanks very much for the info Shannon Nutt. I can see where Amazon wants to put a squeeze on WB by reducing the pre-orders, but not cost themselves too much by not selling these at all. Between this and their dispute with Hachette publishing then these are some interesting times, I only wish that there was as much publicity for this dispute as there is with that one.

Shannon Nutt 06-03-14 08:17 AM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 

Originally Posted by Strapped4Cash (Post 12124998)
Thanks very much for the info Shannon Nutt. I can see where Amazon wants to put a squeeze on WB by reducing the pre-orders, but not cost themselves too much by not selling these at all. Between this and their dispute with Hachette publishing then these are some interesting times, I only wish that there was as much publicity for this dispute as there is with that one.

It's also got to be annoying to Amazon affiliates - like DVD Talk - who rely on click-through sales to support their sites.

Strapped4Cash 06-03-14 07:35 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 

Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt (Post 12125473)
It's also got to be annoying to Amazon affiliates - like DVD Talk - who rely on click-through sales to support their sites.

I hadn't thought about that, but I'm sure you're right.

Josh-da-man 06-05-14 01:44 AM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
The DVD and Blu-ray of True Detective is still unavailable through Amazon. It doesn't look like it's available through Marketplace sellers, either.

There's a discussion thread on Amazon that mentions something about Amazon having sold out of their allocation of this title, though I'm not really sure that that means.

Methinks it's a pissing contest between WB and Amazon.

PhantomStranger 06-05-14 07:19 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
Amazon is demanding cheaper wholesale prices from Warner. Warner is somewhat susceptible because they carry one of the largest media catalogs, including many niche releases. Without a presence on Amazon, sales will suffer.

Why So Blu? 06-06-14 06:13 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
Bummer! So every other business outside of Amazon is not affected, right?

mattysemo247 06-07-14 12:15 AM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
It looks like they are having disputes with other companies as well

http://arts.nationalpost.com/2014/06...sher-hachette/

buny33 06-07-14 03:38 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 

Originally Posted by Strapped4Cash (Post 12124998)
Thanks very much for the info Shannon Nutt. I can see where Amazon wants to put a squeeze on WB by reducing the pre-orders, but not cost themselves too much by not selling these at all. Between this and their dispute with Hachette publishing then these are some interesting times, I only wish that there was as much publicity for this dispute as there is with that one.

Amazon vs the world right now

sherm42 06-07-14 04:19 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
My preorder of True Detective just shipped.

Strapped4Cash 06-07-14 06:50 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 

Originally Posted by PhantomStranger (Post 12128691)
Amazon is demanding cheaper wholesale prices from Warner. Warner is somewhat susceptible because they carry one of the largest media catalogs, including many niche releases. Without a presence on Amazon, sales will suffer.

I wouldn't have guessed that Warner might be so susceptible as I thought that WB had been moving more of their stuff to DVD-R / MOD? But that certainly makes sense. Thanks.

TheMovieman 06-10-14 09:26 AM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
BTW, not just Warner. I noticed Disney titles are no long available either (at least the two I checked, Need for Speed and Muppets Most Wanted).

davidh777 06-10-14 09:31 AM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
True Detective is now in stock (and 50% off)


Originally Posted by Strapped4Cash (Post 12130610)
I wouldn't have guessed that Warner might be so susceptible as I thought that WB had been moving more of their stuff to DVD-R / MOD? But that certainly makes sense. Thanks.

The MOD stuff is deep catalog, and the affected titles we've seen have been new releases. Their library is huge even if you restrict it to catalog pressed DVDs, though.

Texan26 06-10-14 06:28 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 

Originally Posted by TheMovieman (Post 12133779)
BTW, not just Warner. I noticed Disney titles are no long available either (at least the two I checked, Need for Speed and Muppets Most Wanted).

Hercules and Tarzan are still available to preorder.

fujishig 06-12-14 12:51 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
So do I need to look at an alternative to amazon for Lego Movie then (which I preordered a long long time ago)? Urgh.

Norm de Plume 06-12-14 03:36 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
Amazon's needle on the "Asshole Meter" is getting closer to red. Do these people not realize these aggressive moves will only make them enemies and foster a backlash? Corporation as psychopath proven once again.

davidh777 06-12-14 03:46 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 

Originally Posted by fujishig (Post 12136799)
So do I need to look at an alternative to amazon for Lego Movie then (which I preordered a long long time ago)? Urgh.

True Detective was available on street date but I don't know if they shipped early to arrive on street or what. And they eventually matched Target so they're still pricing normally. I'd say that you're likely to get LEGO at a decent price on a decent delivery schedule. Depends on your tolerance for risk, I guess. And of course your tolerance for hardball business tactics.

Classic Films 06-13-14 02:56 AM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 

Originally Posted by fujishig (Post 12136799)
So do I need to look at an alternative to amazon for Lego Movie then (which I preordered a long long time ago)? Urgh.

As long as you already ordered it, it should ship. No one has mentioned pre orders being cancelled. Amazon is no longer taking pre orders at this time.

Texan26 06-13-14 08:14 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
Other retailers are trying to cash in.


http://images.gohastings.com/web/ass...Movie_Main.jpg

fujishig 06-16-14 02:12 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
Lego shipped out from Amazon already and is orderable again...

Texan26 06-20-14 11:28 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
Warner preorders are back up.

davidh777 06-22-14 11:22 AM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
Strike Back (HBO) is still e-mail me when available.

xfilekr 07-04-14 07:18 AM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
Strike Back is up now

fumanstan 08-08-14 01:00 PM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
A bunch of authors cosigned this full page ad speaking out against Amazon's negotiating.

http://recode.net/2014/08/08/authors...york-times-ad/


The simmering dispute between Amazon and the book publisher Hachette over the pricing of electronic books will spill over onto the printed pages of the New York Times on Sunday in a full-page advertisement, the paper reported today.

The ad, which will take the form of an open letter signed by 900-plus authors, calls on Amazon to settle its dispute with Hachette and asks readers to send email messages to Amazon CEO Jeff Bezos at his Amazon email address, which is printed in the letter.

“He says he genuinely welcomes hearing from his customers and claims to read all emails at that account,” the letter reads. “We hope that, writers and readers together, we will be able to change his mind.”

PhantomStranger 08-09-14 08:38 AM

Re: Is there some kind of dispute between Warner and Amazon.com?
 
Amazon was once a lean and mean Internet retailer. They decided that left them too vulnerable and got invested in the idea of creating an entire Amazon ecosystem. I'm sure their secret business goals are to create monopolies in a number of categories and then work from that point.


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