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Old 11-20-18, 11:29 AM
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I think the Yankees did good in getting Paxton. He's obviously a great talent and as long as he can stay on the field, he'll be a great addition to the team. His injuries obviously worry me - as does the long ball issue but I think he's about as good of a pitcher as you can get right now.

I do think Justus Sheffield has a high ceiling and he should get a real shot at 20 starts this season for the Mariners. Bummer to see him go as I was hoping I'd get to see him grow into the rotation in NY but you gotta give something to get something and I think it's great that he was the only plus prospect traded away.

The trade obviously fills a big need for the Yankees and does so without diving into the checkbook. I think they'll still make a strong play for Patrick Corbin but with this trade, they aren't backed up against a wall to sign him.
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Old 11-20-18, 12:16 PM
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Adrian Beltre announced his retirement this morning. I think it's the smart move for him, but damn am I bummed out about it.


First ballot HoF all the way.

And now for some of the best Beltre moments:
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Old 11-20-18, 12:38 PM
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Beltre is the kind of player that you can't help but love. He played the game the right way. He certainly possessed tremendous talent. And he had fun along the way. One of the all-time greats and I will miss watching him on the field.
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Old 11-20-18, 12:39 PM
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Kudos to Beltre, even though his stay in Seattle was probably his athletic prime but an underwhelming career point. I thought about posting him in the HOF thread but there's no question he's in.

The returns on the Paxton trade so far seem to be that the return is on the soft side. Sheffield is immediately the Mariners' top prospect and likely in this year's rotation, but his iffy control and size has a lot of people questioning whether he can stick as a starter. Maybe he can in this era of four-inning starters. And the other pieces seem pretty minor. On the other hand, Paxton has an injury history and only two more years of control, so you're just not going to get a Chris Sale package for him.

Next I think the Mariners have to trade Edwin Diaz, even though Dipoto has talked about him as a core piece (along with Haniger and Marco Gonzalez). His value will never be higher, you don't need a closer on a mediocre team, and closers have a high flameout rate. I'd love to keep Haniger, but he's going to be 28 next month, and it makes sense to move him if you're looking 2-3 years down the road at this point.

They love Segura but it makes sense to move him as well, though the new contract with a no-trade clause will be an obstacle. A lot of fans loved Dee Gordon last year, but he hit .268/.288/.349 and reportedly was the instigator of the clubhouse fight late in the year.
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Old 11-20-18, 12:39 PM
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Beltre, along with Piazza, is one of those players from the childhood that I was sad to see go as a Dodgers fan.
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Old 11-20-18, 01:20 PM
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First ballot HoF all the way.

I sincerely doubt it and he doesn't deserve to be. That honor should be reserved for the true greats of the game. And he's not. The only stat that really stands out from him is the 3k hits. Otherwise his career stats are very good but not great. I think he will get in one day, but not day one. No way.
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Old 11-20-18, 03:39 PM
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Any MLB uniform from the 1970s was good(well except for the Astros).
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I fail to see your point. Those are bad ass.
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Old 11-20-18, 05:31 PM
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I sincerely doubt it and he doesn't deserve to be. That honor should be reserved for the true greats of the game. And he's not. The only stat that really stands out from him is the 3k hits. Otherwise his career stats are very good but not great. I think he will get in one day, but not day one. No way.
Seriously? I'm always up for a good debate but this seems like it's a slam dunk. What part of Beltre's game do you suggest was only very good? His numbers on both offense and defense are outstanding, among the very best at his position.
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Old 11-20-18, 06:06 PM
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First ballot HoF all the way.
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I sincerely doubt it and he doesn't deserve to be. That honor should be reserved for the true greats of the game. And he's not. The only stat that really stands out from him is the 3k hits. Otherwise his career stats are very good but not great. I think he will get in one day, but not day one. No way.
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Seriously? I'm always up for a good debate but this seems like it's a slam dunk. What part of Beltre's game do you suggest was only very good? His numbers on both offense and defense are outstanding, among the very best at his position.
Yeah, I'm with Mordred and Cardsfan111 on this this. Beltre is a slam dunk 1st ballot HoFer. How can you say only the 3k hits stands out? 477 HRs. 1500+ runs. 1700+ RBIs. 600+ doubles. Multiple-time Gold Glove winner (and statistically one can easily argue he should've won more than 5). Career WAR of 95.7 (trails only Mike Schmidt and Eddie Murray). At an underrepresented position for the Hall he's overwhelmingly qualified.

His biggest knocks are he didn't win a ring or an MVP. And I guess he didn't have an over-the-top personality to make himself a big celebrity. And his numbers would be even bigger if he didn't spend 5 years of his prime in maybe the worst possible park for his hitting.
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Old 11-20-18, 07:14 PM
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I sincerely doubt it and he doesn't deserve to be. That honor should be reserved for the true greats of the game. And he's not. The only stat that really stands out from him is the 3k hits. Otherwise his career stats are very good but not great. I think he will get in one day, but not day one. No way.
According to Baseball Reference, almost every single guy he is similar in comparison to, is in the HOF. Beltran isn't eligible yet and Palmeiro is not in for obvious reasons. He's most definitely a HoFer.

Dave Winfield (866.5) *
Eddie Murray (831.2) *
Cal Ripken Jr. (831.1) *
Carlos Beltran (813.1)
Al Kaline (807.3) *
Chipper Jones (803.0) *
Andre Dawson (796.2) *
Carl Yastrzemski (792.1) *
Rafael Palmeiro (785.8)
George Brett (784.8) *
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Old 11-20-18, 07:53 PM
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His biggest knocks are he didn't win a ring or an MVP.
And if Bonds wasn't on the juice, Beltre should have won in 2004

https://www.baseball-reference.com/a..._NL_MVP_voting
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Old 11-20-18, 07:56 PM
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According to Baseball Reference, almost every single guy he is similar in comparison to, is in the HOF. Beltran isn't eligible yet and Palmeiro is not in for obvious reasons. He's most definitely a HoFer.

Dave Winfield (866.5) *
Eddie Murray (831.2) *
Cal Ripken Jr. (831.1) *
Carlos Beltran (813.1)
Al Kaline (807.3) *
Chipper Jones (803.0) *
Andre Dawson (796.2) *
Carl Yastrzemski (792.1) *
Rafael Palmeiro (785.8)
George Brett (784.8) *
And he has positional scarcity and/or superiority over all those guys.
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Old 11-20-18, 08:35 PM
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I will literally bet any of you he will not be a first ballot HOF. $50 to the first taker. I've been here more than ten years I will definitely be here the next five
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Old 11-21-18, 04:27 PM
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Beltre is something of a compiler but definitely meets the HOF standard. The weird thing about Beltre's career is that his 20s just weren't that good with the exception of one insane year for the Dodgers. He then goes to Boston and finds the fountain of youth, turning into a much better hitter for the rest of his career.

His WAR numbers are something of a mirage - the result of being a positive defender his entire career at third and playing for so many seasons. On offense alone, he has the 44th-ranked career OPS for third. He's just not offensively in the same league as players like Boggs or Brett. While always a good defender, I'm not sure he was ever regarded as the best defensive 3B in the game for any season. Definitely not in this decade, which has seen historically great 3B defenders like Machado and Arenado.

I have no problem with Beltre in the Hall but the media praise for his career has whitewashed his actual standing in the game. He was never considered one of the 5 or 10 best players in MLB. He just doesn't have any peak case.
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Old 11-22-18, 12:50 AM
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The First Ballot HoF debate, does anyone that is a proponent of the absurd concept realize that there is a major flaw in the logic?
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Old 11-23-18, 04:10 PM
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I will literally bet any of you he will not be a first ballot HOF. $50 to the first taker. I've been here more than ten years I will definitely be here the next five
I'll take you up on it. I am well aware how some refuse to vote certain guys first ballot but it isn't just the best of the best that get voted in 1st ballot. The top two guys he is most similar based on the list from Deftones, which is Dave Winfield and Eddie Murray, got in first ballot. They are obvious HOF players but rarely mentioned as the best at their position. Even a guy like Jim Thome was first ballot in 2018, again a HOF player but nobody will ever say he is the best 1B ever.
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Old 11-23-18, 07:15 PM
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I sincerely doubt it and he doesn't deserve to be. That honor should be reserved for the true greats of the game. And he's not. The only stat that really stands out from him is the 3k hits. Otherwise his career stats are very good but not great. I think he will get in one day, but not day one. No way.
Skip Bayless, I'm afraid I disagree with your hot take.
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I will literally bet any of you he will not be a first ballot HOF. $50 to the first taker. I've been here more than ten years I will definitely be here the next five
I will definitely take that bet. Give me an e-shake and it's a bet.
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Beltre is almost certainly going in on the first ballot unless he is charged with murder in the next five years. Once he got 3000 hits, the HOF was a fait accompli.
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Old 11-26-18, 04:32 PM
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Donaldson to the Braves for one year on a 23 million dollar contract. I heard talks about the Cardinals supposedly interested. For 23 million dollars? No thanks!
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Old 11-26-18, 04:46 PM
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Donaldson to the Braves for one year on a 23 million dollar contract. I heard talks about the Cardinals supposedly interested. For 23 million dollars? No thanks!
Also got McCann for $2 million. That's a good signing for them as a fan favorite.
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Old 11-26-18, 04:50 PM
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Donaldson to the Braves for one year on a 23 million dollar contract. I heard talks about the Cardinals supposedly interested. For 23 million dollars? No thanks!
Is that like the first semi-major signing of the off-season? It's weird that MLB free agency is so different than the NBA where every major free agent is signed within a couple of days of free agency starting.
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In baseball, the players want to sit around and watch teams battle it out for them. The agents talk up their players and draw negotiations to a stalemate quite often when they think they have a player worth a billion dollars a year.
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Yikes, that a lot of money. Hopefully Donaldson stays healthy this year.
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