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Old 05-09-17, 01:29 PM   #301
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Re: Aaron Hernandez - Worse Since O.J.? [Update: DEAD]

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So would that leave his daughter with more or less than she would have had had he lived?
If his insurance policy did not have a suicide provision (or it has lapsed) she is still entitled to that money and it will not be at risk in a civil suit.
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Old 05-09-17, 01:33 PM   #302
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That's how I understand it. If his "estate" is due anything now that the conviction is gone, it opens up Lloyd's family for Civil court. And I'm sure they'll be able to use the conviction in those hearings.
Not according to my understanding.
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Old 05-09-17, 01:41 PM   #303
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Not according to my understanding.
Really? I thought stuff like that was always fair game in a civil case.
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Old 05-09-17, 01:57 PM   #304
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Really? I thought stuff like that was always fair game in a civil case.
The evidence can be used, AFAIK. But it is my understanding that a big reason to have the conviction tossed out is precisely for the reason you describe, so that it cannot be used in any civil case against his estate.

I haven't researched this in depth, so maybe that is not true, but it's certainly what I have read.
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Old 05-09-17, 02:01 PM   #305
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Re: Aaron Hernandez - Worse Since O.J.? [Update: DEAD]

It sounds like the judge wants this case challenged in a higher court. I think she is right that legal precedent prevents her from doing anything other than vacating the verdict, bullshit though that ruling is.
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Old 05-09-17, 02:05 PM   #306
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The evidence can be used, AFAIK. But it is my understanding that a big reason to have the conviction tossed out is precisely for the reason you describe, so that it cannot be used in any civil case against his estate.

I haven't researched this in depth, so maybe that is not true, but it's certainly what I have read.
Hmm...maybe that's it. Either way, if the evidence was enough to get him convited, chances are it would be enough to get through a civil case as well.

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Re: Aaron Hernandez - Worse Since O.J.? [Update: DEAD]

My biggest issue with throwing out the murder conviction is now someone somewhere will use it as "another innocent person who was sent to jail and died there" for whatever political purposes.
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Old 05-09-17, 06:43 PM   #308
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I look at it this way: I could care less about this technical ruling. In effect, the death penalty was meted out in a non-capital punishment state without the lengthy and expensive process of appeals. He also did his girlfriend and daughter a huge favor by permanently removing himself from their lives. As long as the victim's family prevails in the civil suit (which they undoubtedly will) I see no real downside.
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Re: Aaron Hernandez - Worse Since O.J.? [Update: DEAD]

Mod : Can we change the thread title to : Aaron Hernandez - Worse Since O.J.? [Update: DEAD, NOT GUILTY ANYMORE]
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Old 05-09-17, 07:18 PM   #310
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Re: Aaron Hernandez - Worse Since O.J.? [Update: DEAD]

And also change Worse to Worst?
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Old 05-09-17, 08:05 PM   #311
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And also change Worse to Worst?
Let's just split the difference and say worser.
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Old 09-22-17, 08:23 AM   #312
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Advanced stages of CTE found in Aaron Hernandez's brain.

Former New England Patriots star Aaron Hernandez had a severe case of the degenerative brain disease chronic traumatic encephalopathy, researchers said on Thursday. His lawyer announced a lawsuit against the NFL and the team, accusing them of hiding the true dangers of the sport.

Dr. Ann McKee, the director of the CTE Center at Boston University, said Hernandez had stage 3 (out of 4) of the disease, which can cause violent mood swings, depression and other cognitive disorders.

"We're told it was the most severe case they had ever seen for someone of Aaron's age," attorney Jose Baez said.

Hernandez was 27 when he killed himself in April in the prison cell where he was serving a life-without-parole sentence for murder. Baez said Hernandez had shown signs of memory loss, impulsivity and aggression that could be attributed to CTE.

"When hindsight is 20-20, you look back and there are things you might have noticed," he said. "But you don't know."

CTE, which can be diagnosed only in an autopsy, has been found in former members of the military, football players, boxers and others who have been subjected to repeated head trauma.

A recent study found signs of the disease in 110 of 111 NFL players whose brains were inspected.

The lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court claimed that the league and the Patriots failed to protect their players' safety, leading to the disease that deprived Hernandez's 4-year-old daughter, Avielle, of her father's companionship.

"Defendants were fully aware of the dangers of exposing NFL players, such as Aaron, to repeated traumatic head impacts," the lawsuit said. "Yet, defendants concealed and misrepresented the risks of repeated traumatic head impacts."

an autopsy, has been found in former members of the military, football players, boxers and others who have been subjected to repeated head trauma. A recent study found signs of the disease in 110 of 111 NFL players whose brains were inspected.

The lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court claimed that the league and the Patriots failed to protect their players' safety, leading to the disease that deprived Hernandez's 4-year-old daughter, Avielle, of her father's companionship.

"Defendants were fully aware of the dangers of exposing NFL players, such as Aaron, to repeated traumatic head impacts," the lawsuit said. "Yet, defendants concealed and misrepresented the risks of repeated traumatic head impacts."

NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy said the league had not yet seen the lawsuit and could not comment. A Patriots spokesman did not immediately respond to a message seeking comment.

The league recently agreed to pay $1 billion to retired players who claimed it misled them about the dangers of playing football.

The "loss of consortium" lawsuit filed on Thursday is independent of the class-action suit that began making payments this summer. Baez said it was the first of its kind.

"If we have to be groundbreakers in this area, it's something we're prepared to do," he said.

Hernandez committed suicide just hours before his former teammates visited the White House to celebrate their latest Super Bowl victory and a week after he was acquitted in the 2012 drive-by shootings of two men in Boston.

Prosecutors had argued that Hernandez gunned the two men down after one accidentally spilled a drink on him in a nightclub, and then got a tattoo of a handgun and the words "God Forgives" to commemorate the crime.

Hernandez did not raise CTE in his defense at either trial because he claimed actual innocence. "It's something I deeply regret," Baez said.

A star for the University of Florida when it won the 2008 title, Hernandez dropped to the fourth round of the NFL draft because of trouble in college that included a failed drug test and a bar fight. His name had also come up in an investigation into a shooting.

In three seasons with the Patriots, Hernandez joined Rob Gronkowski to form one of the most potent tight end duos in NFL history. In 2011, his second season, Hernandez caught 79 passes for 910 yards and seven touchdowns to help the team reach the Super Bowl, and he was rewarded with a $40 million contract.

But the Patriots released him in 2013, shortly after he was arrested in the killing of semi-pro football player Odin Lloyd, who was dating the sister of Hernandez's fiancée.

Hernandez was convicted and sentenced to life in prison; the conviction was voided because he died before his appeals were exhausted, though that ruling is itself being appealed.

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Old 09-22-17, 08:28 AM   #313
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Re: Aaron Hernandez - Worse Since O.J.? [Update: DEAD]

This is going to have to play the way the game of football is played. I want to say I don't have sympathy for these people that are paid and know the risks but it's starting back at the youth level. Ugh.
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The lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court claimed that the league and the Patriots failed to protect their players' safety, leading to the disease that deprived Hernandez's 4-year-old daughter, Avielle, of her father's companionship.
Interesting. I thought it was suicide (knowing that he would be spending forever in jail) that caused Hernandez's lack of "companionship."
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Old 09-22-17, 08:51 AM   #315
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Interesting. I thought it was suicide (knowing that he would be spending forever in jail) that caused Hernandez's lack of "companionship."
No, it was the fact he murdered at least two people.
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