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Old 06-26-04, 12:40 PM
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Originally posted by IMRICKJAMES
All I got to say is Luke Jackson.

pencil in 15 ppg at least if he starts

more assists for LeBron cause the Cavs finally have another scoring threat other than Boozer putting back offensive rebounds


I'm definitely a Cavs fan now. I'll be happy if the other Luke (Ridnour) get more playing time in Seattle....same goes for Freddie Jones with Indiana.
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Old 06-26-04, 01:32 PM
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If Luke Jackson scores 15 ppg next year, I'd eat my hat
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Old 06-26-04, 03:21 PM
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Well, I was actually on the draft ballet, but didn't get selected

Yes, I found out how to make myself eligible and did. From now on I'm going to declare every year, just for fun. The NBA sent me a cool wristband.
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Old 06-26-04, 05:27 PM
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Aren't you a free agent now that you weren't selected?
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Old 06-26-04, 06:50 PM
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Originally posted by Jericho
If Luke Jackson scores 15 ppg next year, I'd eat my hat
put some ranch or bbq sauce on that hat and it might go down pretty good. He's going to do it. He's flat out a scorer
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Old 06-26-04, 09:02 PM
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We have the first person to declare for the 2005 draft

Fearing that an NBA age limit is coming, 17-year-old Serbian 7-footer Nemanja Aleksandrov has sent a letter through his agent to the NBA and David Stern declaring for the 2005 draft.

Widely believed to be one of the top five prospects for the '05 NBA draft, Aleksandrov has been dominating international junior competition for two years.

Despite his size, he's a small forward with a smooth 3-point stroke who, some scouts believe, could be the No. 1 pick overall, depending on who comes out.

However, a disappointing performance at the Reebok Eurocamp in Italy, where he looked a few years away from being ready, may be stifling some of that buzz.

In his letter, sent through SFX's David Bauman and which reached the NBA Friday, Aleksandrov writes that he's making the move because he believes he'll be a top pick and he's being pressured into signing a long-term contract in Serbia.

A call to the NBA Friday seeking comment was not returned.

NBA rules state that underclassmen must declare before a specified deadline to be eligible for the draft and that international underclassmen must turn 18 before the date of the upcoming draft. Bauman is hoping that because Aleksandrov, who turns 18 next April 10, sent his letter to the NBA now, it will remain in force even if the league changes the rule later this year.

The NBA has indicated for more than a year that it will try to negotiate a 20-year-old age limit for the next collective bargaining agreement; the current CBA expires on June 30, 2005. While the players' union claims it will not agree to an age limit, many agents believe that if the NBA offers something in return, the union will capitulate.

A 20-year-old age limit would keep Aleksandrov out of the NBA a minimum of two more years, depending on the cutoff date the agreement would set for entering the league.

According to his letter, which ESPN.com obtained, Aleksandrov also indicated he fears being locked up long-term by a European contract.

"There are many people in Belgrade who are putting pressure on me to sign a long-term contract that contains extremely large buyout payments," he wrote. "I hope this early declaration will help to state my intention to them and some of the publicity might prevent them from putting pressure on me."

Acknowledging the risks all around, he wrote, "Of course, I do not want to go the NBA before I am ready, but I also do not want to be forced into a long-term contract that would keep me in Belgrade until I am 24 years old."
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Old 06-26-04, 09:45 PM
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Originally posted by Tarantino
Well, I was actually on the draft ballet, but didn't get selected

Yes, I found out how to make myself eligible and did. From now on I'm going to declare every year, just for fun. The NBA sent me a cool wristband.
Dude, are you serious? If so send me some info on how to do it. I think it would be hilarious if I declared for the draft. I know my cousin would get a kick out of it too.
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Old 06-26-04, 11:19 PM
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We have the first person to declare for the 2005 draft
I guess you never can be too early
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Old 06-26-04, 11:47 PM
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All I know is Okafor should of been selected 1st!
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Old 06-29-04, 12:44 PM
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Here's a pretty funny article by Peter Vescey taking shots at Vitale for his draft night rants

LOWDOWN ON DICKIE DUNCE: AWFUL, BABY!
By Peter Vescey

June 29, 2004 --

FAR be it from me to segue into summer without summarily slapping someone. Today's vacuous victim is none other than Dick Vitale, whose credibility lies somewhere between Bill Clinton and Baghdad Bob.

For reasons known only to ESPN, the cable claptrap decided Vitale's putrid presence was necessary during the NBA Draft. Evidently the network felt obliged to offer up someone with the same odious opinions (minus subtitles) as Stephen A. Smith, "Fraudulent" Fran Fraschilla and Jay Bilas, whose impropriety regarding Josh Smith (No. 17, Hawks) already was noted in this space, and whose impartiality re Kris Humphries warrants serious questioning.

When the Jazz selected the Minnesota frosh at No. 14, Bilas savaged him and his father on what is supposed to be a joyous celebration for the draftees, their kids and their parents. What ever happened to full disclosure? Why didn't Bilas, a former Dukie, inform ESPN's audience the 6-foot-9 forward had bailed on his original commitment to play for Blue Devils? Think Bilas might have an ax to grind?

Vitale, meanwhile, college basketball's all-time shill/sellout (Billy Packer and Digger Phelps are demanding a recount), recited from his same tired tome. It's the play-for-pay guys' fault ... from the early entrants to the lack of fundamentals to the poor quality of panty raids.

Not to suggest Vitale isn't well-versed to warble on the pros. After impressing only himself (and fooling only Bill Davidson) at the U. of Detroit —where Terry Tyler and John Long carried him like overburdened burros — he coached (for want of a more truthful word) the Pistons when they really were the Bad Boys.

Try Vitale's forgettable foray (34-60) in one-plus seasons. How overmatched was Dickie Dunce? The '79-'80 Pistons, an outfit he personally assembled from which he was dutifully dismissed after a dozen games (4-8), wound up 16-66, the toilet paper standard for that franchise's futility.

The only banner that spittoon ever lifted was a white flag.

Thus, after failing miserably on the sport's toughest terrain, Dickie Dunce was more than qualified for his next gig ... airhead of the airwaves. You know what they say: Those who can, do; those who can't, dolt.

Upon further review, Vitale is correct.

The NBA is the reason a guy like Bob Huggins (this generation's Bob Boozer) is allowed to run roughshod over the once-proud U. of Cincinnati program. Though give Huggins credit for one thing — he has managed not to get fired, even though his players' GPA and his own blood-alcohol level are apparently at about the same number.

The NBA is the reason Ohio State felt compelled to expel revered Jim O'Brien. Illegal payments to student/athletes? Details, details.

The NBA is the reason the U. of Georgia had no choice but to turn itself in. That is, after the High Holy Harricks — the father, a long-time Vitale friend, and son — turned the Bulldogs into bullspit with money transfers and "tests" that one could pass while in the womb.

The NBA is the reason St. Bonaventure's reputation became so tainted with phony college credits from phony colleges even priests are howling.

And on (Baylor's Dave "Ignorance Is" Bliss), and on (St. John's), and on (Missouri). I don't know how David Stern sleeps at night.

Having Vitale expectorate about the NBA Draft is like getting Michael Moore as keynote speaker at the Republican National Convention ... 'cept Moore may actually present a substantiated fact or a valid argument or two.

For example, Dickie V's criticism of the 76ers' choice (No. 9) of Andre Iguodala was hopelessly nearsighted and simple-minded. ("How can you pick a kid who only averaged 11 points over Luke Jackson [No. 10, Cavaliers], who's a great perimeter shooter, blah, blah, blah..." he bellowed.)

Well, for one thing, the 76ers already flaunt a great, young 3-point shooter named Kyle Korver.

No doubt this is news to Vitale.

More important, Iguodala averaged 12.9 points, 8.5 rebounds and five assists for the self-sacrificing, well-balanced Arizona Wildcats, a recurrent characteristic of a Lute Olson-coached team. The 6-6 aerodynamically sophisticated soph was the first player in the school's storied history to lead the team in rebounding, assists and steals in the same season. He was also the only Pac Ten player to lead his team in scoring, rebounding, assists and assists-to-turnover ratio.

Surely this is Vitale's introduction to these stats.

More perceptively, when junior Richard Jefferson declared himself eligible for the 2000 draft (No. 13, Rockets) he'd averaged 11.3 that season (one-tenth of a point higher than his average over three years), 5.4 rebounds and 2.7 assists for the self-sacrificing, well-balanced (Gilbert Arenas, Luke Walton) Arizona Wildcats.

Does Vitale sense something along the lines of a trend?

Jefferson turned out to be a pretty good pro/Olympian/rising All-Star without padding his personals in college. Iguodala is expected to enjoy a similar NBA career by everyone except Dickie Dunce, who doesn't seem to grasp the draft concept of picking the best pro prospect, not the guy with the most seductive numbers.

Then again, Vitale is correct in one regard: The sanctity of college basketball. Over the past 25 years, not one institution has sunk to hiring him.
The funniest thing about is Peter Vecesy, who has no credibility, is claiming someone else has no credibility.

While he's right, I think part of it is he's bitter that he lost his gig making up stuff on draft night now that the draft is on ESPN.
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Old 06-29-04, 12:59 PM
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Originally posted by MrX
Here's a pretty funny article by Peter Vescey taking shots at Vitale for his draft night rants


The funniest thing about is Peter Vecesy, who has no credibility, is claiming someone else has no credibility.

While he's right, I think part of it is he's bitter that he lost his gig making up stuff on draft night now that the draft is on ESPN.
Vescey's a moron. Half of the content of his articles is him bashin' his peers in the basketball reporting industry (his favorite target is Mitch Lawrence from the NY Daily News). Frankly, I'm surprised that he hasn't gotten the crap beat out of him yet by another pissed off reporter.

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Old 06-29-04, 01:39 PM
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Yikes, how can someone write that? Have some respect for your colleagues. Criticize them, sure, but to spew that kind of crap? It is totally irrelevant whether he's right or not...
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Yikes, how can someone write that? Have some respect for your colleagues. Criticize them, sure, but to spew that kind of crap? It is totally irrelevant whether he's right or not...
Someone had to say this about Vitale. Nobody seems to be willing to.
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Someone had to say this about Vitale. Nobody seems to be willing to.
Criticizing, even harshly criticizing, is fine. But Vecsey's piece is so unprofessional that it makes him look as bad as Vitale.
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Old 06-29-04, 02:31 PM
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I agree with Peter and thought a lot of the comments during the NBA Draft were ridiculous. If Vitale can spew his mumbo jumbo on tv, i have no problem with another writer throwing it back at him in print.
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I find it amusing that Vescey comments about anybody having an axe to grind.
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Vescey's a moron. Half of the content of his articles is him bashin' his peers in the basketball reporting industry (his favorite target is Mitch Lawrence from the NY Daily News). Frankly, I'm surprised that he hasn't gotten the crap beat out of him yet by another pissed off reporter.
That's ok. He already had the crap beat out of him in a suburban Seattle Toys R Us
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Old 06-29-04, 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by LurkerDan
Criticizing, even harshly criticizing, is fine. But Vecsey's piece is so unprofessional that it makes him look as bad as Vitale.
You're under the false impression that Vecsey is a professional
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Darn, I guess my memory is failing me. I went and found the story and it turns out Vecsey administered the beating, but he's still an idiot

Sports: Friday, June 14, 1996

TV Analyst Allegedly In Scuffle -- NBC's Vecsey Faces Civil Suit, Possible Misdemeanor Charge

Tina Kelley, Elliott Almond
Seattle Times Staff Reporters

The Lynnwood city attorney's office was considering filing minor assault charges today against NBC sports analyst Peter Vecsey as a result of an incident at a local toy store.

A Shoreline couple asserts Vecsey and a companion attacked the husband Tuesday afternoon at a Toys R Us near the Alderwood Mall after the man made a disparaging remark about the broadcaster.

Derek Nephew suffered cuts on his left arm and head, had scratch marks on the back of his neck and swelling under his left eye, according to a Lynnwood police report.

The dispute started after Nephew's wife, Tracey, recognized Vecsey, a member of NBC's broadcasting team in Seattle for the NBA Finals between the SuperSonics and Chicago Bulls.

Nephew told police that he did not believe the man was the controversial broadcaster, and said to his wife, "and besides, Peter Vecsey is an idiot."


Tracey Nephew told police her husband said, "and besides, Peter Vecsey is a jerk."

Vecsey and his companions overheard the remark and confronted Nephew, police said.

According to the report, Vecsey cursed at Nephew and said, "What do you have to say now?" Vecsey, according to witnesses, then asked Nephew to go outside. When Nephew refused, Vecsey ordered him out of the store.

"(Nephew) said, `I don't want to fight, I just want to get out of the store and leave,' " a witness told The Seattle Times. "They pressed the issue."

According to the report, as Nephew walked away, one of Vecsey's companions pushed him from behind until he fell, knocking down merchandise. The man hit Nephew twice; Vecsey hit him once, police said.

"While this white male held my husband, Peter Vecsey then took hold of my husband's head, looked around for a second and then hit him in the head with a closed fist," Tracey Nephew told police.


Police said an electrician doing contract work at the store broke up the altercation by pulling Vecsey's friend off Nephew.

The Nephews filed a civil suit against Vecsey in Snohomish County Superior Court, seeking damages for injuries and emotional distress.

Vecsey, also a New York Post columnist, could not be reached. An NBC spokesman said Vecsey will work tonight's Game 5. The spokesman said NBC officials were aware of the allegations, but would not comment on a legal matter involving an employee.

After the incident, Vecsey bought an item and told a store employee that such situations happen all the time, the report said.

The clerk, Faith Armstrong, told police, "He said, `He called me an idiot, and I don't have to put up with that.' I said, `We're all idiots at some point, but we have to go on.' He said, `Not me.' I finished ringing up his purchase and I said, `Have a happy day.' He said, `It should get better.' He seemed like what happened was no big deal and left."

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Darn, I guess my memory is failing me. I went and found the story and it turns out Vecsey administered the beating, but he's still an idiot
After reading this, Vescey's a bigger idiot than I thought. If he hit me, I'd beat the living crap out of his scrawny behind.
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Darn, I guess my memory is failing me. I went and found the story and it turns out Vecsey administered the beating, but he's still an idiot
Geez, I thought that it had been a one on one fight. Vecsey's now even lower now that I read that one of his friends held the guy down.
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Criticizing, even harshly criticizing, is fine. But Vecsey's piece is so unprofessional...
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According to the report, Vecsey cursed at Nephew and said, "What do you have to say now?" Vecsey, according to witnesses, then asked Nephew to go outside. When Nephew refused, Vecsey ordered him out of the store.
Thats hilarious, he asked him to take it outside at a Toys R Us?
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