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Old 04-30-04, 01:22 PM
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what MLB pitching records can still be broken?

looking back for that relief pitcher total wins number.. i started digging through some old 'unbreakable' records
and its hard to imagine that many of the pitching records can ever be broken

because the amount of games and innings these guys use to pitch. is totall nuts..

SAFEST SINGLE-SEASON RECORDS

(Since 1900)

Highest batting average--Rogers Hornsby's .424 in 1924, not even approached by the last .400 hitter, Ted Williams, with .406 in 1941, and that came six decades ago.

Highest slugging average--Babe Ruth's .847 in 1920 (and .846 in 1921) hasn't ever been challenged. Mark McGwire's .752 in 1998 was the best since Ruth's .772 and Gehrig's .765 in 1927. -Bonds

Most triples--Owen "Chief' Wilson's 36 for the Pittsburgh Pirates in 1912 has stood far above the crowd for 88 years. When Lance Johnson hit 21 in 1996 for the New York Mets, he became the first National League player to top 20 in 66 seasons. Other than Wilson, no one has had more than 26.

Most times hit by pitch--Ron Hunt's 50 bruises taken for Montreal in 1971. The nearest approach was Don Baylor's 35 while with the Boston Red Sox in 1986.

Most wins by pitcher--Jack Chesbro's 41 in 1904. Only one man, Denny McLain, has won as many as 31 in a campaign in the last 70 years, and that was in 1968.

Most wins by a relief pitcher--ElRoy Face's 18 (against one loss) for Pittsburgh in 1959. Even few starters are able to win that many under current conditions.

Most complete games--With his 41 victories in 55 games in 1904, Chesbro completed 48 games. Last season Randy Johnson led the majors with 12. The last pitcher to start as many as 40 games in a season was Phil Niekro in 1979 when he started 44 games for the Braves.

Most innings, relief pitcher--208, Mike Marshall, Dodgers in 1974.

Most innings, starter--464, Ed Walsh, White Sox in 1908.

Most games started--51, Jack Chesbro, Highlanders, 1904.

Most shutouts--16, Grover Alexander, Phillies, 1916

Most runs scored--177, Babe Ruth, Yankees, 1921.

SAFEST CAREER RECORDS

Highest batting average--Ty Cobb's .367 from 1905-28 has never been approached by a player since Roger Hornsby's .358 from 1915-37. Ted Williams hit .344 from 1939-60, and among current players even eight-time N.L batting champion Tony Gwynn is far off at .339.

Most base hits--Almost 60 years passed before Pete Rose (1963-86) surpassed Ty Cobb (1905-28) with 4,256 to 4,191, and no one is likely to be within hailing distance for another six or seven decades.

Most runs batted in--Hank Aaron's 2,297 even topped Babe Ruth's 2,204 and no current player has a prayer of amassing that many. A player would have to average more than 100 RBI over a 22-year career to challenge the record.

Most wins by pitcher--Cy Young's 511 from 1890-1911. That surpassed Walter Johnson's 416 from 1907-27, and the highest total of any pitcher in the last half of the 20th Century was Warren Spahn's 363 from 1942-65.

Most strikeouts by pitcher--Nolan Ryan's 5,714 from 1966-93, exceeding Steve Carlton's 4,136 from 1965-88 by more than 1,500.

Most shutouts--Walter Johnson's 110 from 1907-27. The nearest approach in the last 70 years was Spahn's 63 from 1942-65, and 61 each by Ryan from 1966-93 and Tom Seaver from 1967-86. Even Grover Cleveland Alexander, next in line to Johnson, finished with 90 from 1911-30, and he retired seven decades ago.

Most innings pitched--7,377, Cy Young, (1890-1911).

Most complete games--750, Cy Young, (1890-1911)

There you have it, some shatterproof records. Forever! Forever?

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Old 04-30-04, 01:26 PM
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Re: what MLB pitching records can still be broken?

Originally posted by twikoff
Highest slugging average--Babe Ruth's .847 in 1920 (and .846 in 1921) hasn't ever been challenged. Mark McGwire's .752 in 1998 was the best since Ruth's .772 and Gehrig's .765 in 1927.
Didn't Barry come close to this, closer than McGwire?

Ummm, 2001 Bonds slugged .863, which by your stats IS the current record. Not to mention the .799 he slugged in 2002.

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Re: what MLB pitching records can still be broken?

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SAFEST SINGLE-SEASON RECORDS

Highest slugging average--Babe Ruth's .847 in 1920 (and .846 in 1921) hasn't ever been challenged. Mark McGwire's .752 in 1998 was the best since Ruth's .772 and Gehrig's .765 in 1927.[/B]
Didn't our boy Barry Bonds already break this mark? He had
.863 in 2001
.799 in 2002
.749 in 2003
and is currently slugging 1.176 this year.
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Re: Re: what MLB pitching records can still be broken?

Originally posted by LurkerDan
Didn't Barry come close to this, closer than McGwire?
probably....
from the top of the article
These Are Majors' Safest Records.
Baseball Digest, August, 2000, by George Vass

so this is almost 4 years outdated
http://www.findarticles.com/cf_dls/m...le.jhtml?term=

but really.. the focus was more on the pitching side of these 'shatterproof' records
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Re: Re: what MLB pitching records can still be broken?

Originally posted by namja
Didn't our boy Barry Bonds already break this mark? He had
.863 in 2001
.799 in 2002
.749 in 2003
and is currently slugging 1.176 this year.
yea.. i just mentioned that

so much that that unbreakable record
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Season saves
Career saves

Of course the save is a joke stat.
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yea
when did saves actually start getting recorded?

and when everyone pitched complete games back in the day.. i dont guess many would be eligible for saves
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Originally posted by twikoff
yea
when did saves actually start getting recorded?

and when everyone pitched complete games back in the day.. i dont guess many would be eligible for saves

The early 70s I believe.
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atleast Ty Cobb got mentioned somewhere in there. he batter over 300 for 28 years, a couple years over 400. His stealing home records still amaze me, though. When was the last time anyone stole home? how the heck would you do it?
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Originally posted by DaveNinja
atleast Ty Cobb got mentioned somewhere in there. he batter over 300 for 28 years, a couple years over 400. His stealing home records still amaze me, though. When was the last time anyone stole home? how the heck would you do it?
Most common way is with a double steal with runners on first and third.

I cannot remember the last time I saw someone swipe home on a straight steal.
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I think in the book it said ty cobb would start running right before the catcher threw the ball back, i guess he was fast enough (or scarey enough) to get home before the pitcher threw the ball back to the catcher. I think he did it 3 times in one game. It seems like the catcher/pitcher would be on the look out the second and third time he was on third base.
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Ty Cobb stole home 8 times in one season (1912) and 54 times in his career.
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