Sports Talk Discuss all things Sports Related

you make the call!

Old 04-13-04, 07:21 PM
  #1  
DVD Talk God
Thread Starter
 
twikoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Right Behind You!!!
Posts: 79,497
you make the call!

ok.. lets play virtual manager..

first.. someone stats a situation.. can be a generic situation or one that has specific players listed..

lets stick with baseball for now..

anyone can toss out a new situation whenever they want.. and anyone can make the call on any situation posted so far, you dont have to restrict yourself to only the newest situations..

no need to try to look for holes in the situations (such as, well, this the year that the AL gets home field so the giants would be up in the bottom of the 9th in game 7, and crap like that).. and try to make your call with just the info that is given.


situation 1:

Yankees vs Giants, game 7 of the world series.
Bottom of the 9th inning.
Yanks up 2, bases loaded, 2 outs, Barry Bonds coming to the plate, Pierzynski on deck.

What do you do? (after come back conscience from finding the giants in the ws of course)
twikoff is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 07:28 PM
  #2  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: In my mind.
Posts: 7,694
I would put this pitcher in to face Bonds:

the aftermath is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 07:28 PM
  #3  
DVD Talk God
 
Deftones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Arizona
Posts: 74,846
This isn't the year that the AL gets home field. That's not decided until the All-Star game. There's a huge hole right there!
Deftones is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 07:29 PM
  #4  
DVD Talk Hero
 
El Scorcho's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Portland, OR
Posts: 39,628
Pitch to Bonds.

He's a great hitter and all, but Bonds will only get a hit about 35% of the time. If you intentionally walk him, you move the tying run to 3rd base, which can score on a passed ball or a wild pitch.
El Scorcho is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 07:30 PM
  #5  
DVD Talk God
Thread Starter
 
twikoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Right Behind You!!!
Posts: 79,497


of course, that was dedicated to def
twikoff is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 07:32 PM
  #6  
Moderator
 
DarkElf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 1999
Location: La Jolla, CA
Posts: 18,277
(you didn't say how many outs there are)

In his only regular season appearance against Bonds in the last half dozen years, Rivera whiffed the meathead. And he does it again this time.

Pitch to him!

But I don't care who the reliever is, of how many outs there are, you still pitch to him. You don't intentionally tie the game.

Statistically, bases loaded and no one out yields 2.44 expected runs. Odds are, you're gonna lose the game anyway. But if you walk Bonds, then you only have to give up ONE more run to lose. You pitch to Bonds and get him, then the expected runs falls to 1.53, so you still have a good chance of getting out of the inning.

And finally, Rivera is tougher on lefties than righties, so that's even more reason to pitch to Bonds and AJ.

This is a no brainer to me.
DarkElf is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 07:35 PM
  #7  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: In my mind.
Posts: 7,694
Originally posted by DarkElf
(you didn't say how many outs there are)
He said there were 2 outs.

Originally posted by DarkElf
But I don't care who the reliever is, of how many outs there are, you still pitch to him. You don't intentionally tie the game.
If they walk Bonds, the Giants would still be down a run. The situation was being down 2 runs, not one.
the aftermath is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 07:38 PM
  #8  
DVD Talk God
Thread Starter
 
twikoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Right Behind You!!!
Posts: 79,497
Originally posted by DarkElf
(you didn't say how many outs there are)
you must have hit reply quick and just taken awhile to type that
I changed and added the outs pretty damn fast.. (quick enough it didnt add an edited statement at the bottom)
twikoff is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 07:38 PM
  #9  
DVD Talk Legend
 
kenbuzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Bloomington, IN
Posts: 20,964
Pitch to him but give him nothing to hit. Low and inside, or way outside. Give him a chance to make an out, but not a chance to kill you with a homer. If you get to 3-0 or 3-1, intentionally walk him rather than risk getting too close or throwing a PB.
kenbuzz is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 07:39 PM
  #10  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: In my mind.
Posts: 7,694
Originally posted by twikoff
you must have hit reply quick and just taken awhile to type that
I changed and added the outs pretty damn fast.. (quick enough it didnt add an edited statement at the bottom)
Don't worry twikky, I got your back homie!

I would say pitch to him. Walking him just seems really lame.
the aftermath is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 07:40 PM
  #11  
DVD Talk Legend
 
chrisih8u's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: A few miles north of the Cape
Posts: 18,335
Throw it at his face.
chrisih8u is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 07:41 PM
  #12  
DVD Talk Legend
 
kenbuzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Bloomington, IN
Posts: 20,964
Originally posted by the aftermath
I would put this pitcher in to face Bonds:

David Wells isn't a reliever.
kenbuzz is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 07:45 PM
  #13  
DVD Talk God
Thread Starter
 
twikoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Right Behind You!!!
Posts: 79,497
Originally posted by DarkElf

Statistically, bases loaded and no one out yields 2.44 expected runs. Odds are, you're gonna lose the game anyway. But if you walk Bonds, then you only have to give up ONE more run to lose. You pitch to Bonds and get him, then the expected runs falls to 1.53, so you still have a good chance of getting out of the inning.
thats one way to look at it..

another way to look at it is that basically any hit scores 2 runs.. since the runners would be off on the pitcher..

so if you toss out the chances of a wild pitch or passed ball..

you leave yourself with the idea that you need to record 1 out and not give up more than 1 run.. and your choices of who to try to get that out from are bonds & Pierzynski (whose batting around the mendoza line).

although, Im not arguing in favor of walking him.. because i think thats a pretty chickenshit way to win..
I say you pitch to him to show some balls, screw the percentages!
twikoff is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 07:46 PM
  #14  
DVD Talk God
 
Deftones's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Arizona
Posts: 74,846
Originally posted by chrisih8u
Throw it at his face.
Exactly. If he is going to get on base and bring home a run, make Bonds earn it.

This is very similar to that case back in 1998 when Showalter elected to walk Bonds with the bases loaded, so the D-backs pitcher could face the next hitter.

I agree with pitching to him. The odds are greater that he won't hit it than he will, but you just need to make sure that you don't give him anything he can drive.
Deftones is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 07:53 PM
  #15  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2000
Posts: 349
let's keep in mind alfonzo might decide to not be a complete bum in the playoffs and he would be hitting behind barry. i don't think pierzynski will be there for long.
gev115 is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 07:55 PM
  #16  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 6,635
2 outs- pitch to him, but don't give him anything to hit hard (if possible). Take the walk if needed.

1 out- pitch to him and pray.
grrrah is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 07:55 PM
  #17  
DVD Talk God
Thread Starter
 
twikoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Right Behind You!!!
Posts: 79,497
Originally posted by gev115
let's keep in mind alfonzo might decide to not be a complete bum in the playoffs and he would be hitting behind barry. i don't think pierzynski will be there for long.
STOP TRYING TO CHANGE MY SITUATION!

I put a situation in.. lets make a call based on it!!!

twikoff is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 07:57 PM
  #18  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Posts: 15,108
I'd pitch to Bonds, but absolutely nothing easily over the plate. Maybe give him a little chin music as well.
MJKTool is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 08:10 PM
  #19  
DVD Talk God
Thread Starter
 
twikoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Right Behind You!!!
Posts: 79,497
Originally posted by MJKTool
I'd pitch to Bonds, but absolutely nothing easily over the plate. Maybe give him a little chin music as well.
you wouldnt throw a hanger right over the plate to bonds????????

you wild man!!!!!
twikoff is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 08:11 PM
  #20  
Moderator
 
DarkElf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 1999
Location: La Jolla, CA
Posts: 18,277
Originally posted by twikoff
you must have hit reply quick and just taken awhile to type that
I changed and added the outs pretty damn fast.. (quick enough it didnt add an edited statement at the bottom)
I think you added the 2-run lead too, didn't you? That totally changes the question. I mean, before it was a no brainer, but now, walking Bonds is definitely something to consider.

I still say pitch to Bonds b/c unless it's an extra base hit, the worst that happens is a tie game. And you DON'T put on that ridiculous shift managers are doing these days.
DarkElf is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 08:12 PM
  #21  
DVD Talk God
Thread Starter
 
twikoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Right Behind You!!!
Posts: 79,497
Originally posted by DarkElf
I think you added the 2-run lead too, didn't you? That totally changes the question. I mean, before it was a no brainer, but now, walking Bonds is definitely something to consider.

I still say pitch to Bonds b/c unless it's an extra base hit, the worst that happens is a tie game. And you DON'T put on that ridiculous shift managers are doing these days.
yep
i meant for the situation to be 2 run lead, 2 outs..

thats the situation that makes it tougher to call..

of course.. I changed it within a minute of posting the question.. i didnt think anyone was replying that quick
twikoff is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 09:08 PM
  #22  
DVD Talk God
Thread Starter
 
twikoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Right Behind You!!!
Posts: 79,497
you know

part of this was that other people were suppose to list some different situations

sheeesh.. you guys suck at these games
twikoff is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 09:18 PM
  #23  
DVD Talk Legend
 
chrisih8u's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: A few miles north of the Cape
Posts: 18,335
Ok, its game 7 in the 8th inning. Youre up 5-2 and your ace is on mound. He starts struggling and gives up 3 hits in a row. Its now 5-3 with runners on 2nd and 3rd. Your ace has thrown over 115 pitches.

Your bullpen has pitched amazingly for the whole playoffs. Do you lift your starting pitcher?
chrisih8u is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 09:20 PM
  #24  
DVD Talk God
Thread Starter
 
twikoff's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: Right Behind You!!!
Posts: 79,497
you lift him

unless its pedro.. in which case, you leave him in incase any old men rush out and need a good beat down
twikoff is offline  
Old 04-13-04, 09:20 PM
  #25  
Suspended
 
Join Date: Jun 1999
Posts: 15,108
Originally posted by twikoff
you know

part of this was that other people were suppose to list some different situations

sheeesh.. you guys suck at these games
Were just in awe of your first question!!
MJKTool is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.