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Old 10-24-02, 01:53 AM
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Hall of Fame waives five-year wait for Kile

They have got to be kidding about this? I know it's sad and all but his stats do not warrant entry into Cooperstown. Do you think he should be elected? Here's the story.

ST. LOUIS -- Darryl Kile, the St. Louis Cardinals pitcher who died of heart disease this summer, will be on the 2003 Hall of Fame ballot.

The 33-year-old Kile, who was found dead in his Chicago hotel room on June 22, will become only the third player to appear on the ballot before the customary five-year waiting period. Roberto Clemente and Thurman Munson were the others.

``In the rare circumstance where a player passes away during the course of his career, and has played in at least 10 seasons, the normal five-year waiting period is waived and reduced to six months,'' said Jeff Idelson, a vice president of the Hall of Fame.

Clemente, a star outfielder for the Pittsburgh Pirates, died on Dec. 31, 1972, when his plane carrying relief supplies crashed on the way to Nicaragua. He was elected to the Hall of Fame in 1973, less than three months after his death.

Munson, the New York Yankees' captain, died when a plane he was piloting crashed on Aug. 2, 1979, in Ohio. He was placed on the Hall of Fame ballot in 1981, got 63 votes but hasn't been elected.

Ballots will be distributed to Baseball Writers Association of America members in November. Eddie Murray, Ryne Sandberg, Lee Smith and Fernando Valenzuela are some of the other players eligible for the first time in 2003. Voting results will be announced in January.

Kile pitched for more than 11 years in the majors, going 133-119 with a 4.12 ERA. He had 1,668 strikeouts, 28 complete games and nine shutouts. The right-hander never missed a start and was never on the disabled list.

A 20-game winner for the Cardinals in 2000, Kile twice finished fifth in NL Cy Young voting. He had his best season in 1997 with the Houston Astros, going 19-7 with a 2.57 ERA, 205 strikeouts and four shutouts. He also threw a no-hitter for Houston in 1993 against the New York Mets.

Kile was 5-4 with a 3.72 ERA this season before his death stunned the Cardinals, who played on with plenty of tributes to their late teammate. They reached the NL championship series before being eliminated by the San Francisco Giants.
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Old 10-24-02, 01:55 AM
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It's a nice gesture but I don't think he's hall material.
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Old 10-24-02, 02:11 AM
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Is this a policy they have with all ML players who die while having 10 years of ML service and still in their playing years?

They shouldn't do this because it'll only hurt the people of St. Louis more when DK doesn't make it.
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Old 10-24-02, 02:12 AM
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Originally posted by J-Dubya
It's a nice gesture but I don't think he's hall material.
That's exactly what I was thinking.
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Some may say that it will be wrong if he makes it to the Hall but if he does I won't complain. The once constant that goes with being elected into the hall is consitency. And Kile was definatly that. And who knows what whould be if he were still alive today. he was only 33 and had alot of pitching left in him barring injury. If he would have played another 10 years he may just of had the stats to make it.
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Yeah, there's no way Kile will get in. It's just a nice thing to do...
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Old 10-24-02, 03:16 AM
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No disrespect or callousness meant, but...

I'm cool with waiving the wait period, as long as he doesn't get in. Even if he played a full career, he wasn't Hall material. There's no way he should get in, but if he does, it'll clearly be a sympathy vote.
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Old 10-24-02, 03:21 AM
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That is beyond ridiculous. I'm very sorry that he passed away, it certainly is tragic, but is he the only baseball player ever to die tragically during their career? What about the Padres player that died in the car crash? He had a family just like Kile. He had a team just like Kile. Why is this a bigger deal?

I was also extremely annoyed by how much it was brought up and discussed by commentators during the post season. Like the Cardinals are the only people on this planet who know somebody thats died, life is so hard for them.
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Old 10-24-02, 03:25 AM
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How does a player get ON the ballot in the first place? I know they have to wait 5 years, but not every Joe gets on the ballot. What are the qualifications to get on the ballot? Is there a vote to see who even makes the ballot?
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so.. the two ways to make the hall are to either put up HOF numbers or die earlier?
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Old 10-24-02, 05:50 AM
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I doubt he'll get voted in...is this just some sign of sympathy?
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Old 10-24-02, 06:32 AM
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He's not even close to HOF material IMO.

Nice gesture though.
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Old 10-24-02, 07:57 AM
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Originally posted by Ranger02
Is this a policy they have with all ML players who die while having 10 years of ML service and still in their playing years?
Yes. If you have at least 10 years of ML service and die while an active player, the wait changes from 5 years to 6 months. The same thing happened with Roberto Clemente(who is in the HOF) and Thurman Munson(who was not elected to the HOF). Wait, this is all explained in the article quoted in the first post, guess some people didn't read that.

Doesn't everyone who plays at least 10 years make the HOF ballot? So how is there anything at all wrong with this?

Do I think he'll actually be elected? No, unless they somehow let the fact that he never missed a start in 12 years overshadow his stats. I'll feel bad for Don Mattingly, Willie McGee, and Pete Rose if he does get in.

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so.. the two ways to make the hall are to either put up HOF numbers or die earlier?
Didn't work for Thurman Munson.

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Originally posted by AndyCapps
Yes. If you have at least 10 years of ML service and die while an active player, the wait changes from 5 years to 6 months. The same thing happened with Roberto Clemente(who is in the HOF) and Thurman Munson(who was not elected to the HOF). Wait, this is all explained in the article quoted in the first post, guess some people didn't read that.

Doesn't everyone who plays at least 10 years make the HOF ballot? So how is there anything at all wrong with this?

Do I think he'll actually be elected? No, unless they somehow let the fact that he never missed a start in 12 years overshadow his stats. I'll feel bad for Don Mattingly, Willie McGee, and Pete Rose if he does get in.



Didn't work for Thurman Munson.
I don't feel sorry for Pete Rose - he is a stubborn idiot and all he has to do is apologize for what he did and I guarantee they elect him to the Hall the minute stupid Bud Selig is out of the Commissioner's office, but if Bud was smart he would tell Pete this, and if Pete was smart he would apologize and everyone would be happy and life could go on for Pete Rose and all of his fans and Bud Selig would not go down as one of the biggest nitwits in history.

I agree w/ you Andy - It didn't work for Thurman Munson, it won't work for Kile...it is just what they do people, read the article
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Another agreement - nice to have done this, but anyone who votes for him should have their voting priviledges revoked for all time.
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I would like to say that this really isn't all that much of a gesture because the trend has already been started. I think Kile can be considered a good pitcher, and had he gone his whole career staying consistent ( his trademark) I think he could of been voted in but probably not first vote. On the numbers right now doesn't deserve the only acceptable thing is his consistency. Now even more important here he pales in comparison to the other guys on the ballot who are all more deserving in my opinion (I'm a shill for cubs so Ryne on the list may be blocking my judgement).
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Originally posted by bahist17
I don't feel sorry for Pete Rose - he is a stubborn idiot and all he has to do is apologize for what he did and I guarantee they elect him to the Hall the minute stupid Bud Selig is out of the Commissioner's office, but if Bud was smart he would tell Pete this, and if Pete was smart he would apologize and everyone would be happy and life could go on for Pete Rose and all of his fans and Bud Selig would not go down as one of the biggest nitwits in history.

I agree w/ you Andy - It didn't work for Thurman Munson, it won't work for Kile...it is just what they do people, read the article
OT: I don't feel sorry for Rose, and hope he never gets in.

On topic: It will be interesting to see how many votes he gets. Like most others, I certainly don't think Kile was Hall material, and I think most voters will recognize that.
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I guess it is reasonable that a guy won't play again, if he dies. I always thought that was a major reason behind the rule, to prevent them voting on someone who re-activates.
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Doesn't bother me. A lot of people get on the ballot ... getting voted in is the hard part. As long as he's not voted in, it doesn't really matter.

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Yeah, my first instinct whenI heard about it was: Why? But I guess its the standard for those who die while active. Still since:
1) Kile has 0% chance of actually getting in
2) Being on the HOF Ballot isn't really an accomplishment

It seems like much ado about nothing
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This happens whenever a player dies, folks. It has nothing to do with being nice.

The writers will not vote him in.

By the way, is there any pitcher in the HALL with an era over 4??? I hope not.
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There's no way he gets voted in; I'll be surprised if he gets more than 10 votes. Munson didn't get in, and he was arguably the best player in the league at his position for a few years. Kile was merely a solid and dependable pitcher who had a few really good years and stunk it up for a few (sorry, he sucked here in Colo.).
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Doesn't bother me. A lot of people get on the ballot ... getting voted in is the hard part. As long as he's not voted in, it doesn't really matter.

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I'll be pissed if anyone votes for him.
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Originally posted by LurkerDan
Kile was merely a solid and dependable pitcher who had a few really good years and stunk it up for a few (sorry, he sucked here in Colo.).

I'll go on record right now and say that there will never be a hall-of-famer pitcher who pitched for the Rockies for at least a majority of their career. That is unless Denver somehow is magically transformed to sea level altitude.
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By the way, is there any pitcher in the HALL with an era over 4??? I hope not.
Nope. Looks like Red Ruffing is the highest at 3.80.
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