Anyone know why FOX doesn't have 10pm Programming?
04-10-08 | 01:27 PM
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Anyone know why FOX doesn't have 10pm Programming?
Thread title says it all... I've always been curious as to why FOX doesn't do 10pm programming. Is it expense or deals with affiliates for 10pm news?
04-10-08 | 01:33 PM
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They don't have enough programming to fill the 8-10 slot m-f.
Do people remember when Fox used to just air several days a week?
The 'junior' network has definately come far.
Do people remember when Fox used to just air several days a week?
The 'junior' network has definately come far.
04-10-08 | 02:31 PM
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I've wondered that for years now. I get the Buffalo Fox, WUTV Fox 29 and they've never had evening or nightly news as far back as I can remember. Instead they've always had Simpsons and Seinfeld reruns, which have changed to more current shows as time has gone on.
04-10-08 | 03:12 PM
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In the beginning, the 10p cut-off allowed them to get under the minimum amount of programming hours to be considered a full broadcast network by the FCC, which then got them out of a few regulations and such. I don't think this is as relevant now, but they kept it at 10p for earlier local news.
04-10-08 | 03:23 PM
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Because at 9 it's news.
At 10, it's history.
At 10, it's history.
I was just about to make this joke.
04-10-08 | 08:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Nick Martin
Instead they've always had Simpsons and Seinfeld reruns, which have changed to more current shows as time has gone on.
04-10-08 | 11:36 PM
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FOX flirted with 10PM programming back in the early 90's, on Sunday at least. I remember the Tea Leoni sitcom Flying Blind airing at 10PM. But the ratings weren't there and they probably didn't want to expand it to the rest of the week due to the news thing, as the Sunday experiment didn't exactly fare well.
04-11-08 | 12:30 AM
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Originally Posted by CharlieK
In the beginning, the 10p cut-off allowed them to get under the minimum amount of programming hours to be considered a full broadcast network by the FCC, which then got them out of a few regulations and such. I don't think this is as relevant now, but they kept it at 10p for earlier local news.
04-11-08 | 07:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Rex Fenestrarum
This is the reason, although for the life of me I can't remember what the "regulations" were that they were trying to get out of... Did it have to do with ownership of TV stations? Something about full-blown networks like NBC and CBS aren't allowed to own individual stations, but since Fox wasn't a "network", News Corp. was able to buy a bunch of UHF stations and get themselves on the air? Or did it have to do with programming requirements (networks must have x hours of children's programming per day, for example)? I can't remember, but it was something along those lines.
Station ownership by individual networks was a completely separate issue.
04-11-08 | 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Nick Martin
I've wondered that for years now. I get the Buffalo Fox, WUTV Fox 29 and they've never had evening or nightly news as far back as I can remember. Instead they've always had Simpsons and Seinfeld reruns, which have changed to more current shows as time has gone on.
I remember back in the early 2000s they flirted with the idea of having a 10pm news on WUTV, but ended up putting it on WNYO instead. That lasted all but a year.. notice when WGRZ owned the PAX affiliate around the same time they had a 10pm newcast too, but that fizzled out when Gannett sold it and PAX became the i Network.
I always found it bizarre seeing 10pm news on in other parts of the country considering we only kind-of had it for a brief time.. now the area went from 3 networks having news at 10 to just 1, and that was a couple of years ago.
Doesn't look like much as changed back in Buffalo.
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04-11-08 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TheMovieman
Anyone know why FOX doesn't have 10pm Programming?
04-11-08 | 06:04 PM
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From wikipedia:
Differences between Fox and the "Big Three" networks
Fox only airs two hours of network programming during the prime time hours (three hours on Sundays), compared to the three hours (four on Sundays) by the other major networks (except for The CW and ION Television). This allows for many of its stations to air local news during the 10 p.m. time slot. Fox's original reason for the reduced number of prime time hours was to avoid fulfilling the FCC's requirements at the time to be considered a network [7] and to be free of resulting regulations, though FCC rules have been relaxed since then.
Fox also does not air soap operas or any other network daytime programming (game shows, talk shows) despite being a major network. Because of this, affiliates have more time for lucrative syndicated programming. (Fox produces three syndicated daytime courtroom shows, Divorce Court, Judge Alex, and Cristina's Court). However, it has been reported that Fox may be moving into the arena in the near future, as they have ordered a daytime drama pilot called Born in the USA which has already been cast and has now started production. [8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19]
[edit] Local news
At least half of Fox's 180 O&O and affiliated stations air local news in the 10-11 p.m. (9-10 p.m. CT/MT) timeslot. The newscast schedules on Fox stations vary more from station to station than ABC, CBS and NBC's affiliates. Some Fox stations have a newscast schedule similar to the Big Three's affiliates along with the added late evening newscast at 10 p.m. and a late afternoon newscast extended by a half-hour competing with the national evening newscasts, while others only have a 10 p.m. newscast.
Tampa's WTVT has the most local news of any Fox station with roughly 52.5 hours per week, followed by Kansas City's WDAF-TV with 49 hours a week. Only a few Fox stations that air an 11 p.m. (or 10 p.m.) newscast along with a 10 p.m. (or 9 p.m.) newscast. WDAF-TV, WTVT, WITI in Milwaukee, WFLD in Chicago, KDFW in Dallas/Fort Worth, WBRC in Birmingham, KMSP in Minneapolis-St. Paul, KSAZ in Phoenix, WTTG Washington, D.C and KTVI St.Louis. are the only Fox-owned stations to have a 11p.m./10 p.m. newscast in the Central and Mountain Time Zones with only WDAF, WITI, WBRC, WTTG , and KSAZ airing it every night. KOKH in Oklahoma City and WSVN in Miami are the few non-O&Os airing a 10pm (or 9 p.m.) and a 11pm (or 10 p.m.) newscast.
Stations that don't air local news air syndicated programming, usually off-network sitcoms in that timeslot, though some small market Fox affiliates outsource their newscasts to a Big Three station in the market (either situation may change in the future as more Fox stations start their own news divisions). Upstart Fox local news divisions do not run a full slate of newscasts (i.e., morning, midday, early and late evening newscasts plus news on weekend evenings and possibly weekend mornings), instead starting with a 10 p.m. newscast then gradually adding other newscasts.
The largest market with a Fox affiliate that airs no news whatsoever is Buffalo, New York, where WUTV has long opted for sitcom reruns instead to draw a different audience.
Fox only airs two hours of network programming during the prime time hours (three hours on Sundays), compared to the three hours (four on Sundays) by the other major networks (except for The CW and ION Television). This allows for many of its stations to air local news during the 10 p.m. time slot. Fox's original reason for the reduced number of prime time hours was to avoid fulfilling the FCC's requirements at the time to be considered a network [7] and to be free of resulting regulations, though FCC rules have been relaxed since then.
Fox also does not air soap operas or any other network daytime programming (game shows, talk shows) despite being a major network. Because of this, affiliates have more time for lucrative syndicated programming. (Fox produces three syndicated daytime courtroom shows, Divorce Court, Judge Alex, and Cristina's Court). However, it has been reported that Fox may be moving into the arena in the near future, as they have ordered a daytime drama pilot called Born in the USA which has already been cast and has now started production. [8][9][10][11][12][13][14][15][16][17][18][19]
[edit] Local news
At least half of Fox's 180 O&O and affiliated stations air local news in the 10-11 p.m. (9-10 p.m. CT/MT) timeslot. The newscast schedules on Fox stations vary more from station to station than ABC, CBS and NBC's affiliates. Some Fox stations have a newscast schedule similar to the Big Three's affiliates along with the added late evening newscast at 10 p.m. and a late afternoon newscast extended by a half-hour competing with the national evening newscasts, while others only have a 10 p.m. newscast.
Tampa's WTVT has the most local news of any Fox station with roughly 52.5 hours per week, followed by Kansas City's WDAF-TV with 49 hours a week. Only a few Fox stations that air an 11 p.m. (or 10 p.m.) newscast along with a 10 p.m. (or 9 p.m.) newscast. WDAF-TV, WTVT, WITI in Milwaukee, WFLD in Chicago, KDFW in Dallas/Fort Worth, WBRC in Birmingham, KMSP in Minneapolis-St. Paul, KSAZ in Phoenix, WTTG Washington, D.C and KTVI St.Louis. are the only Fox-owned stations to have a 11p.m./10 p.m. newscast in the Central and Mountain Time Zones with only WDAF, WITI, WBRC, WTTG , and KSAZ airing it every night. KOKH in Oklahoma City and WSVN in Miami are the few non-O&Os airing a 10pm (or 9 p.m.) and a 11pm (or 10 p.m.) newscast.
Stations that don't air local news air syndicated programming, usually off-network sitcoms in that timeslot, though some small market Fox affiliates outsource their newscasts to a Big Three station in the market (either situation may change in the future as more Fox stations start their own news divisions). Upstart Fox local news divisions do not run a full slate of newscasts (i.e., morning, midday, early and late evening newscasts plus news on weekend evenings and possibly weekend mornings), instead starting with a 10 p.m. newscast then gradually adding other newscasts.
The largest market with a Fox affiliate that airs no news whatsoever is Buffalo, New York, where WUTV has long opted for sitcom reruns instead to draw a different audience.
04-11-08 | 10:14 PM
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Originally Posted by mcfly
Seinfeld has been in the 10pm slot for well over 10 years now. I couldn't imagine anything else ever airing in its place. It's always been Seinfeld at 10, Simpsons at 11.. then usually the 10:30 and 11:30 slots rotate every Fall.
I remember back in the early 2000s they flirted with the idea of having a 10pm news on WUTV, but ended up putting it on WNYO instead. That lasted all but a year.. notice when WGRZ owned the PAX affiliate around the same time they had a 10pm newcast too, but that fizzled out when Gannett sold it and PAX became the i Network.
I always found it bizarre seeing 10pm news on in other parts of the country considering we only kind-of had it for a brief time.. now the area went from 3 networks having news at 10 to just 1, and that was a couple of years ago.
Doesn't look like much as changed back in Buffalo.
I remember back in the early 2000s they flirted with the idea of having a 10pm news on WUTV, but ended up putting it on WNYO instead. That lasted all but a year.. notice when WGRZ owned the PAX affiliate around the same time they had a 10pm newcast too, but that fizzled out when Gannett sold it and PAX became the i Network.
I always found it bizarre seeing 10pm news on in other parts of the country considering we only kind-of had it for a brief time.. now the area went from 3 networks having news at 10 to just 1, and that was a couple of years ago.
Doesn't look like much as changed back in Buffalo.
hmm, just checked tvguide.com
appears that the mytv affiliate does ch2 news at 10 and CW does teh ch4 news at 10
04-12-08 | 12:09 AM
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I wish Fox did air shows at 10pm...that would mean maybe, just maybe, I'd be watching new episodes of Firefly, Wonderfalls or Drive right now...maybe all....sigh.
04-12-08 | 01:28 AM
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I think Fox also accommodated the two hours per weeknight schedule because they noted the ENORMOUS success of KTVU's 10 pm (Pacific) news broadcasts in the San Francisco area (KTVU is a charter Fox affiliate).
04-12-08 | 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
I wish Fox did air shows at 10pm...that would mean maybe, just maybe, I'd be watching new episodes of Firefly, Wonderfalls or Drive right now...maybe all....sigh.
or an hour of "So You Think Your Mom is a Slut!"
