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So Trump agreed with Putin that Western Liberalism is dying. Cool, cool.
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Old 07-01-19, 09:34 AM
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Trump setting foot in North Korea is the modern-day equivalent of Nixon going to China. It may not do a whole heck of a lot in terms of politics between the two nations, but as far as legacy goes, it's something to point to.
Let's hope that this administration also continues to have parallels to the Nixon one, especially with how it ends.

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This thing with North Korea would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad.
Bolton wants one thing, Pompeo another, and trump just wants a nice photo-op/win.
They have no actual plan and/or policy as to what to do with NK, and no actual end goal or vision that they share. All they're really achieving is legitimizing KJU on the world stage, one of, if not THE most ruthless dictator on the planet.
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KJU looks bigger every time I see him. Wonder what suit size he's up to now?
He's well on his way to this:

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Looks like Mueller finally testifying has these fuckers... shook


But Mueller will also face a grilling from Trump's top Republican allies in Congress, including Reps. Jim Jordan (Ohio), Matt Gaetz (Fla.), Devin Nunes (Calif.) and Andy Biggs (Ariz.). They intend to press him on long-held articles of Trumpian faith: that Mueller's team was biased against the president from the start and that the Russia investigation was tainted by inappropriate surveillance.

“It becomes reader’s theatre,” predicted Biggs, a member of the Judiciary Committee. When pressed on whether he thought the high-profile hearing could backfire for Democrats, the Arizona Republican replied with a smile: “I certainly hope so.”

“I think the claims of bias or flawed procedures or misuse of the FISA court that have been made, as far as I’ve seen, don’t have a credible foundation and I think Mueller will be able to expose how small and political those charges are, especially when put up against the gravity of the attack on our election and foreign interference on our democracy that his report documents,” Sokol said.

“The Democrats have tried impeachment lite for two months. They’ve tried hearings. They brought John Dean. They brought a cavalcade of circus stars and nothing’s changed,” said Collins. “It’s still the report.”
"trumpian faith"?
Fucking gross!
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Do...do they actually think they can rattle Bob Mueller?
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Do...do they actually think they can rattle Bob Mueller?
Actually, based on his press conference, he is really not a public speaker kind of guy. So yeah, I can actually see him getting rattled when all the cameras are on him.
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I don't. Not when he's discussing something completely in his wheelhouse. He can defend his report and his team with one hand tied behind his back. If the GOP thinks it can get Mueller to agree that his team was biased, they're way off base.
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Originally Posted by Bandoman View Post
So Trump agreed with Putin that Western Liberalism is dying. Cool, cool.
In Trump’s defense (?) it’s pretty clear that he thinks “western liberalism” means “Democratic policies in California,” so it’s less of a situation where he agreed with Putin and more of a situation where the conversation went completely over his head.
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Actually, based on his press conference, he is really not a public speaker kind of guy. So yeah, I can actually see him getting rattled when all the cameras are on him.
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I don't. Not when he's discussing something completely in his wheelhouse. He can defend his report and his team with one hand tied behind his back. If the GOP thinks it can get Mueller to agree that his team was biased, they're way off base.
I agree with Joe.

I fully expect that Mueller's testimony will be less than satisfying with regard to putting those Republicans in their place or bringing any clarity to his report. Mueller appears incapable of being a straight-shooter. Direct and plain speech is what is needed these days.... not legal corporate-speak.

The report has a solid foundation for the House to begin an impeachment inquiry and yet they want Mueller to testify publicly for the purposes of having the American public hear from Mueller himself. But if he simply repeats what the report says using the same words, it will be counter-productive. As it was to have John Dean testify.

Add to that House Reps' inability to exercise self-control... allowing their grandstanding to be front and center. People see through that.
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https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/01/polit...-un/index.html

"President Obama wanted to meet, and Chairman Kim would not meet him. The Obama administration was begging for a meeting. They were begging for meetings constantly. And Chairman Kim would not meet with him," Trump said during a news conference with South Korean President Moon Jae-in.

This is the type of bull shit I just don’t get. Trump got the headlines he wanted “first sitting President to..” Of course there is debate if it was appropriate to do. But there is no doubting the historical accuracy. He is in fact the first. Why make up total fabrication of BS about Obama? Why? I’m not calling out individual members, but can some “Trump whisperer” explain this? Is it just more dog whistling? Is it his insecurity?

And its total non-sensical. Why would a sitting POTUS “beg” KJU to meet? There was no reason. There is no reason Especially then. The article sets the stage well.

This is part of the crap that absolutely drives me crazy. Is that the point? Drive non-supporters crazy?

No, I don’t think a sitting POTUS should have done that without NK coinciding something. But is a 15 min photo op the end of the world? Probably not. I don’t see it making any difference in anything. But making up BS about a past POTUS? Blatant lies.
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In Trump’s defense (?) it’s pretty clear that he thinks “western liberalism” means “Democratic policies in California,” so it’s less of a situation where he agreed with Putin and more of a situation where the conversation went completely over his head.
You're right.

That's so much better.
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Actually, based on his press conference, he is really not a public speaker kind of guy. So yeah, I can actually see him getting rattled when all the cameras are on him.
He’s not a dynamic political type, but that doesn’t mean he’s not a public speaker. The man has faced down the worst of the worst (and their attorneys) in court. Do you think he’s going to be rattled by a mouse fart like Louie Gohmert? I don’t.
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For the Republicans it's not going to be about how Mueller responds to their attacks. It's going to be about how do they make the most of the opportunity to sling shit at Mueller and his report every time it's their turn to ask a question. They will grandstand and act outraged and shout and repeat the same lies--errr, I mean "articles of Trumpian faith"--that they've been spouting for years now. They couldn't care less how Mueller responds because they are not going to be asking the questions in good faith in the first place. It's all about putting on a show of outrage for the public. They've poisoned the well.

Which will probably work as intended on Trumpsters. There's not going to be some OMG! moment where his followers will suddenly realize how foolish they've been to put their faith in a con man. Mueller will provide calm, reasonable, truthful responses, but that will not make as much of an impression on the MAGA crowd as Gym Jordan blowing his top about "Hillary Clinton getting help from Russians" and "illegal surveillance". FOX News will limit their coverage of the hearing to fit their narrative of "angry democrat Mueller trying to take down godly King Trump." (And they'll probably just spend more time on futher segments about scary socialist AOC!)

This will not unify the public against Trump, it will just reinforce the existing divisions among us.
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I agree with Joe.

I fully expect that Mueller's testimony will be less than satisfying with regard to putting those Republicans in their place or bringing any clarity to his report. Mueller appears incapable of being a straight-shooter. Direct and plain speech is what is needed these days.... not legal corporate-speak.

The report has a solid foundation for the House to begin an impeachment inquiry and yet they want Mueller to testify publicly for the purposes of having the American public hear from Mueller himself. But if he simply repeats what the report says using the same words, it will be counter-productive. As it was to have John Dean testify.

Add to that House Reps' inability to exercise self-control... allowing their grandstanding to be front and center. People see through that.
And I’m Team Bamdoman. I thought Mueller was incredibly straight and incredibly clear. He took his directive as literal as possible. And he held firm that he “must” go by long standing DOJ policy that a sitting POTUS cannot be indicted. I mean, he certainly gave out plenty of indictments.

And his press conference was even more direct,

"As set forth in the report, after the investigation, if we had confidence that the president did not clearly commit a crime, we would have said so," he told reporters at the Justice Department Wednesday.

I mean...you can’t say “Trump committed a crime”. Why? Because he hadn’t been convicted yet. Even if you have evidence (we all know) is not an automAtic you get a conviction. That’s why you never hear that term given to someone before a trial. In this case, he laid out very clearly the evidence of obstruction. But since no trial, and at this point no impeachment, I agree with him in NOT saying “Trump committed a crime”.:



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I've seen Mueller give addresses and speeches before. He did look rattled to me.

Of course, I'm probably just projecting my own neuroses here- but- when he realized the extent of the fix that these traitors had orchestrated- ( the AG who shut his investigation down early- a Supreme Court now fixed by Trump/McConnell appointees with their own shady associations and backgrounds; 1/2 of Congress which is owned by flagrantly traitorous crooks like McConnell, House minority leader Kevin "I think there's two people Putin pays" McCarthy, along with weaselly supplicants like Lyndsey G and last years 4th of July Moscow caucus; a huge network of media propaganda outlets of which Fox is only the most obvious)...
Who knows? Maybe he was given a message like "the US is full of beautiful quiet neighborhoods like that one in Boston. I bet you're children and grandchildren live in a beautiful neighborhood too. Shame if there was another catastrophic accident at one of the utilities there..."

The whole point of Putin taking down America wasn't for ideology or general pique- it was to grease the way for TOC enterprises, most of which have ties to the Russian mob operating out of many countries. Look to how organized crime has operated in the past- then project that onto a global scale.

I thought the white hats had all this under control. They clearly don't.
I still believe they've known all along what has been going on. But knowing that and being able to do something about it, with the forces aligned against them, are two very different things.

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Actually, based on his press conference, he is really not a public speaker kind of guy. So yeah, I can actually see him getting rattled when all the cameras are on him.
He's a career lawyer and government official, and one of the most highly respected ones. They even attempt that, he'll cut them off before they can start showboating. It won't faze him in any way, and he'll let them know that.
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He's a career lawyer and government official, and one of the most highly respected ones. They even attempt that, he'll cut them off before they can start showboating. It won't faze him in any way, and he'll let them know that.
You’re right that it won’t faze him, but he’s not going to cut them off. He’ll let them shout about 14 angry Democrats, he’ll say something reasonable and quiet like “everyone in the Special Counsel’s Office approached this investigation without bias or preconception,” and Fox News will do what Fox News will do. This isn’t going to change the mind of anyone who has been drinking the Kool Aid.

But it will hopefully reach the people who don’t pay much attention. Like the woman at the Justin Amash town hall who didn’t realize the Mueller Report said anything bad about Trump because all she knew was Barr’s summary. If people like her watch the hearing and see Democrats walk Mueller through the acts of obstruction, they’ll draw their own conclusions notwithstanding the shouting from Sean Hannity and the Trump lickspittles in Congress.
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I thought the white hats had all this under control. They clearly don't.
I still believe they've known all along what has been going on. But knowing that and being able to do something about it, with the forces aligned against them, are two very different things.
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Of course, the more reasonable explanation is that there are a bunch of people currently in charge who are only looking out for themselves, and the voters who should have gotten them out apparently love it instead. Much easier to believe than a global conspiracy that has worked perfectly throughout the Trump campaign and subsequent administration.
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You’re right that it won’t faze him, but he’s not going to cut them off. He’ll let them shout about 14 angry Democrats, he’ll say something reasonable and quiet like “everyone in the Special Counsel’s Office approached this investigation without bias or preconception,” and Fox News will do what Fox News will do. This isn’t going to change the mind of anyone who has been drinking the Kool Aid.

But it will hopefully reach the people who don’t pay much attention. Like the woman at the Justin Amash town hall who didn’t realize the Mueller Report said anything bad about Trump because all she knew was Barr’s summary. If people like her watch the hearing and see Democrats walk Mueller through the acts of obstruction, they’ll draw their own conclusions notwithstanding the shouting from Sean Hannity and the Trump lickspittles in Congress.
What are the chances they’re going to watch the hearing, though? They’ve already admitted they get all their news through a Fox lens, so all they’re going to see is GOP toadies yelling BS at Mueller.
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For the Republicans it's not going to be about how Mueller responds to their attacks. It's going to be about how do they make the most of the opportunity to sling shit at Mueller and his report every time it's their turn to ask a question. They will grandstand and act outraged and shout and repeat the same lies--errr, I mean "articles of Trumpian faith"--that they've been spouting for years now. They couldn't care less how Mueller responds because they are not going to be asking the questions in good faith in the first place. It's all about putting on a show of outrage for the public. They've poisoned the well.

Which will probably work as intended on Trumpsters. There's not going to be some OMG! moment where his followers will suddenly realize how foolish they've been to put their faith in a con man. Mueller will provide calm, reasonable, truthful responses, but that will not make as much of an impression on the MAGA crowd as Gym Jordan blowing his top about "Hillary Clinton getting help from Russians" and "illegal surveillance". FOX News will limit their coverage of the hearing to fit their narrative of "angry democrat Mueller trying to take down godly King Trump." (And they'll probably just spend more time on futher segments about scary socialist AOC!)

This will not unify the public against Trump, it will just reinforce the existing divisions among us.
Sadly, yes. All of this. This is the trash fire that is American politics now.
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And I’m Team Bamdoman. I thought Mueller was incredibly straight and incredibly clear. He took his directive as literal as possible. And he held firm that he “must” go by long standing DOJ policy that a sitting POTUS cannot be indicted. I mean, he certainly gave out plenty of indictments.

And his press conference was even more direct,

"As set forth in the report, after the investigation, if we had confidence that the president did not clearly commit a crime, we would have said so," he told reporters at the Justice Department Wednesday.

I mean...you can’t say “Trump committed a crime”. Why? Because he hadn’t been convicted yet. Even if you have evidence (we all know) is not an automAtic you get a conviction. That’s why you never hear that term given to someone before a trial. In this case, he laid out very clearly the evidence of obstruction. But since no trial, and at this point no impeachment, I agree with him in NOT saying “Trump committed a crime”.:



YOU thought he was straight and incredibly clear. If you are a bottom-feeding, mouth-breathing, knuckle-dragging neanderthal then your experience carries a lot of weight... because you would represent a significant portion of the population. Fortunately for you, you don't.

So your impression of Mueller's effectiveness as a communicator doesn't translate to the unwashed masses... or carbon blobs as I've heard them called.
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Of course, the more reasonable explanation is that there are a bunch of people currently in charge who are only looking out for themselves, and the voters who should have gotten them out apparently love it instead. Much easier to believe than a global conspiracy that has worked perfectly throughout the Trump campaign and subsequent administration.
I don't believe that working in your own self interest, while at the same time serving the needs of hostile adversaries of this country, are mutually exclusive.

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Sounds like things are going terribly. Who knew.



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