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Old 06-12-18, 07:13 PM
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Feminist studies prof complains that "Women are underrepresented in higher-wage jobs"

This feminist studies professor complains that "Women are underrepresented in higher-wage jobs."

So here's my response: We should abolish feminist studies. And we should encourage more women to major in subjects that will get them higher-wage jobs, such as electrical engineering, petroleum engineering, computer science, physics, chemistry, applied mathematics, business, medicine, and law.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/opini...9e7_story.html

Why can’t we hate men?

by Suzanna Danuta Walters

June 8, 2018

Suzanna Danuta Walters, a professor of sociology and director of the Women’s, Gender, and Sexuality Studies Program at Northeastern University, is the editor of the gender studies journal Signs.

Spoiler:

It’s not that Eric Schneiderman (the now-former New York attorney general accused of abuse by multiple women) pushed me over the edge. My edge has been crossed for a long time, before President Trump, before Harvey Weinstein, before “mansplaining” and “incels.” Before live-streaming sexual assaults and red pill men’s groups and rape camps as a tool of war and the deadening banality of male prerogative.

Seen in this indisputably true context, it seems logical to hate men. I can’t lie, I’ve always had a soft spot for the radical feminist smackdown, for naming the problem in no uncertain terms. I’ve rankled at the “but we don’t hate men” protestations of generations of would-be feminists and found the “men are not the problem, this system is” obfuscation too precious by half.

But, of course, the criticisms of this blanket condemnation of men — from transnational feminists who decry such glib universalism to U.S. women of color who demand an intersectional perspective — are mostly on the mark. These critics rightly insist on an analysis of male power as institutional, not narrowly personal or individual or biologically based in male bodies. Growing movements to challenge a masculinity built on domination and violence and to engage boys and men in feminism are both gratifying and necessary. Please continue.

But this recognition of the complexity of male domination (how different it can be in different parts of the world, how racism shapes it) should not — must not — mean we forget some universal facts.

Pretty much everywhere in the world, this is true: Women experience sexual violence, and the threat of that violence permeates our choices big and small. In addition, male violence is not restricted to intimate-partner attacks or sexual assault but plagues us in the form of terrorism and mass gun violence.

Women are underrepresented in higher-wage jobs
Spoiler:
, local and federal government, business, educational leadership, etc.; wage inequality continues to permeate every economy and almost every industry; women continue to provide far higher rates of unpaid labor in the home (e.g., child care, elder care, care for disabled individuals, housework and food provision); women have less access to education, particularly at the higher levels; women have lower rates of property ownership.

The list goes on. It varies by country, but these global realities — of women’s economic, political, social and sexual vulnerabilities — are, well, real. Indeed, the nations in which these inequities have been radically minimized (e.g., Iceland) are those in which deliberate effort has been made to both own up to gender disparities and to address them directly and concretely.

So, in this moment, here in the land of legislatively legitimated toxic masculinity, is it really so illogical to hate men? For all the power of #MeToo and #TimesUp and the women’s marches, only a relatively few men have been called to task, and I’ve yet to see a mass wave of prosecutions or even serious recognition of wrongdoing. On the contrary, cries of “witch hunt” and the plotted resurrection of celebrity offenders came quick on the heels of the outcry over endemic sexual harassment and violence. But we’re not supposed to hate them because . . . #NotAllMen. I love Michelle Obama as much as the next woman, but when they have gone low for all of human history, maybe it’s time for us to go all Thelma and Louise and Foxy Brown on their collective butts.

The world has little place for feminist anger. Women are supposed to support, not condemn, offer succor not dismissal. We’re supposed to feel more empathy for your fear of being called a harasser than we are for the women harassed. We are told he’s with us and #NotHim. But, truly, if he were with us, wouldn’t this all have ended a long time ago? If he really were with us, wouldn’t he reckon that one good way to change structural violence and inequity would be to refuse the power that comes with it?

So men, if you really are #WithUs and would like us to not hate you for all the millennia of woe you have produced and benefited from, start with this: Lean out so we can actually just stand up without being beaten down. Pledge to vote for feminist women only. Don’t run for office. Don’t be in charge of anything. Step away from the power. We got this. And please know that your crocodile tears won’t be wiped away by us anymore. We have every right to hate you. You have done us wrong. #BecausePatriarchy. It is long past time to play hard for Team Feminism. And win.

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Great. You solved it.

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Re: Feminist studies prof complains that "Women are underrepresented in higher-wage j

I’m not sure I entirely agree with your idea of having the government dictating what curriculum colleges can and cannot teach.
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We should abolish
How very authoritarian for a self-proclaimed libertarian.

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Great. You solved it.

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Also this.
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I have a couple of friends who have died.

My solution is that we should get rid of death.
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I have a couple of friends who have died.

My solution is that we should get rid of death.
I will stick my neck out and back you on this.
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I will stick my neck out and back you on this.
High-five!

What problem shall we solve next?
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So here's my response: We should abolish feminist studies.
You're a white man. The world runs according to your whims. Never mind the fact you haven't a clue how academia works (let alone society.)
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So here's my response: We should abolish feminist studies.
It's only fair. We had to give up watching the swimsuit competition. Those feminists should have to give up something in return.
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This wasn't posted to be serious was it?
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This wasn't posted to be serious was it?
I will try to salvage something out of it.

Regardless of how people think colleges should be funded, paid for, how loans work, etc ...it is what it is right now.

It would probably be of benefit before someone commits to any degree to have someone walk them through .. you are looking to get 'x' degree and one of these colleges. It will cost you X ... you will probably make Y with this degree and incur Z in debt. Here are some ways to reduce that (don't get into the most expensive dorm or live at home, take some classes at a JC, pay for some of this yourself with a job, grants, etc).

But make sure that someone going into a bachelor degree that ends in the word "studies" understands what they are getting into financially .. and odds are it will not look pretty.

There are obviously variables that cannot be predicted, but similar to when you take out a mortgage, break it down to a 1 or 2 page estimate of how this will look financially over 5, 10, 20 years. If someone reads that and still wants a degree in feminist studies or anything else ... they at least know what they are getting into.

Rather than abolish a set of degrees.. making something like I described above mandatory before taking out any college loans is a better way to go.
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Re: Feminist studies prof complains that "Women are underrepresented in higher-wage j

It's true, men tend to gravitate toward high paying jobs, like doctor, lawyer, and engineer, while women tend to gravitate toward lower paying jobs, like female doctor, female lawyer, and female engineer.
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It's not like girls are graduating from high school and making the decision to not major in science and engineering and pre-med out of the blue. They're doing so because, for most of their lives, they've been channeled away from subjects that emphasize math and science. And we know this because of subjects like sociology and women's studies.

BTW, you need to know plenty of math to get a doctorate in sociology.
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kvrdave would be offended by this thread.
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It's true, men tend to gravitate toward high paying jobs, like doctor, lawyer, and engineer, while women tend to gravitate toward lower paying jobs, like female doctor, female lawyer, and female engineer.
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Where's the aw jeez, not this shit again meme?
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It's true, men tend to gravitate toward high paying jobs, like doctor, lawyer, and engineer, while women tend to gravitate toward lower paying jobs, like female doctor, female lawyer, and female engineer.
Oh, don’t be silly that can’t possibly be true...

Oops...

“The pay gap had widened from the prior year, when Doximity found women physicians were making an average of 26.5% less than men. And the researchers reported that the inequities persisted across all 40 medical specialties and 50 metropolitan areas that it analyzed.

The gender pay gap was most pronounced in Charleston, South Carolina, where women doctors earned 37%, or $134,499, less than male doctors, last year. That was followed by Kansas City, Missouri, where the gap was 32%, or $131,996. The report did not explain why the disparity was more glaring in these cities.”

http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/14/news...ors/index.html
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I like how he calls the person out with "feminist studies" but right under it lists their actual credentials as "professor of sociology and director of the Women’s, Gender, and Sexuality Studies Program".
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Oh, don’t be silly that can’t possibly be true...

Oops...

“The pay gap had widened from the prior year, when Doximity found women physicians were making an average of 26.5% less than men. And the researchers reported that the inequities persisted across all 40 medical specialties and 50 metropolitan areas that it analyzed.

The gender pay gap was most pronounced in Charleston, South Carolina, where women doctors earned 37%, or $134,499, less than male doctors, last year. That was followed by Kansas City, Missouri, where the gap was 32%, or $131,996. The report did not explain why the disparity was more glaring in these cities.”

http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/14/news...ors/index.html
Fake news, Sdallnct. Don't you see? In the LGBT thread, grundle pointed to a single opinion piece that referenced a single study with a made-up un-vetted algorithm that inconclusively suggests the possibility that, actually, women only make 8 cents per dollar less than men.

Checkmate, liberal feminist swidjerinos!
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If there's a wage gap, why don't they sue?

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You're a white man. The world runs according to your whims. Never mind the fact you haven't a clue how academia works (let alone society.)

If that were true, then Greedo never would have fired at Han, the Three Stooges would still be on TV when children get home after school, and dinosaurs would not have feathers.
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If women just stayed at home like they should we wouldn't have this "wage discrimination" issue going on at all.
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Originally Posted by Sdallnct View Post
Oh, don’t be silly that can’t possibly be true...

Oops...

“The pay gap had widened from the prior year, when Doximity found women physicians were making an average of 26.5% less than men. And the researchers reported that the inequities persisted across all 40 medical specialties and 50 metropolitan areas that it analyzed.

The gender pay gap was most pronounced in Charleston, South Carolina, where women doctors earned 37%, or $134,499, less than male doctors, last year. That was followed by Kansas City, Missouri, where the gap was 32%, or $131,996. The report did not explain why the disparity was more glaring in these cities.”

http://money.cnn.com/2018/03/14/news...ors/index.html


If this gap is due to discrimination by their employers, then the government needs to enforce the Equal Pay Act of 1963.

On the other hand, if it is due to the fact that, on average, men and women choose to work different numbers of hours each week, then there is no problem, and nothing needs to be done.

Either way, shame on the CNN reporter for not raising this issue in the article. A better reporter would have done so.
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Originally Posted by General Zod View Post
If women just stayed at home like they should we wouldn't have this "wage discrimination" issue going on at all.
Is this your attempt at a straw man or just admitting you have nothing valuable to add to the conversation?
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