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Old 01-28-19, 09:32 AM
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But I thought we were all just temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

Why Congress needs AOC, more waitresses, fewer millionaires


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Old 01-30-19, 07:35 AM
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AOC already under threat from the NY Democrtic establishment?

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Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) has infuriated colleagues by aligning with a progressive outside group that’s threatening to primary entrenched Democrats. Now some of those lawmakers are turning the tables on her and are discussing recruiting a primary challenger to run against the social media sensation.

At least one House Democrat has been privately urging members of the New York delegation to recruit a local politician from the Bronx or Queens to challenge Ocasio-Cortez.

“What I have recommended to the New York delegation is that you find her a primary opponent and make her a one-term congressperson,” the Democratic lawmaker, who requested anonymity, told The Hill. “You’ve got numerous council people and state legislators who’ve been waiting 20 years for that seat. I’m sure they can find numerous people who want that seat in that district.”


The New York delegation has eyed Ocasio-Cortez with skepticism ever since last summer when the 29-year-old self-described democratic socialist shocked the political world and defeated then-Rep. Joseph Crowley (D-N.Y.) in what many thought would be a sleepy primary race. Crowley, a Queens powerbroker and affable House Democratic Caucus chairman, had been considered a possible future Speaker.

Many New York and Congressional Black Caucus lawmakers were also furious with Ocasio-Cortez after a recent Politico report stated she and the grass-roots group aligned with her, Justice Democrats, were considering backing a primary challenge to fellow New York Democrat Hakeem Jeffries, a Black Caucus member and establishment insider who succeeded Crowley as caucus chairman.

Both Ocasio-Cortez and Justice Democrats have denied the report, but the group of insurgent progressives has vowed to target centrist Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas) and is eyeing other potential 2020 targets.

For now, New York Democratic lawmakers are playing nice with Ocasio-Cortez and her 2.6 million Twitter followers and say no one in the Empire State’s delegation is currently contemplating backing a primary challenger against her.

“We are going to see what happens. Generally for me, I’m giving folks the benefit of the doubt, the presumption of innocence. You might say one thing before you get in here, and then after you get to meet folks, you see what happens and how the body works … things are different, so we’ll see what happens,” Rep. Gregory Meeks (D-N.Y.), whose district includes part of Queens, said in an interview.
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But it’s not just Black Caucus members she has rubbed the wrong way. Ocasio-Cortez, whose mother was born in Puerto Rico, has also annoyed members of the Congressional Hispanic Caucus by targeting one of their own: Cuellar. Earlier this month, she appeared in a Justice Democrats promotional video with her spokesman, Corbin, and her chief of staff, Saikat Chakrabarti, touting a program recruiting progressive insurgents to run for Congress.

Justice Democrats is currently searching for a progressive to launch a primary challenge against Cuellar. Hispanic Caucus members aren’t happy about those efforts but say they are taking a wait-and-see approach before intervening with Ocasio-Cortez, who joined the caucus this month.


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Once again, race identity politics is trumping ideology.
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Old 01-30-19, 08:05 AM
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And she's 99% correct. Democratic politics in cities like NYC and Chicago is disgusting and doesn't serve the people one iota.

The 1% I would fault her on is an idealistic (but unrealistic) objection to her credit of "hard organizing". I would rather see her say something like "being the best candidate with the best ideas".
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I'm with jfoobar. She's on the right path but could have worded it slightly better.

That being said, with the GOP imploding, Democrats should be riding her coattails at this point. She's a star and somebody energetic and young that people can get excited about. I mean really, when was the last time anyone was this excited about a congress-person? Not to mention, so far it seems that she can go toe-to-toe with anyone. It's early and she needs a couple of terms under her belt for the experience, but she seems like the kind of person that would make a great presidential candidate a decade from now.
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Old 02-07-19, 02:20 PM
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Take that!!!


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Originally Posted by jfoobar View Post
And she's 99% correct. Democratic politics in cities like NYC and Chicago is disgusting and doesn't serve the people one iota.

The 1% I would fault her on is an idealistic (but unrealistic) objection to her credit of "hard organizing". I would rather see her say something like "being the best candidate with the best ideas".
You could have the best ideas but without organizing to get the word out and get people excited, they donít matter. I think she correctly credited hard organizing.
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Ocasio-Cortez's Green New Deal offers 'economic security' for those 'unwilling to work'

This is a brand new article about a current proposal in the U.S.

The document referred to in the article can be found at this link. The relevant text appears on page 1 of the PDF, approximately two thirds of the way down the page: https://assets.documentcloud.org/doc...w-Deal-FAQ.pdf

I think we're not yet technologically advanced enough to have a policy such as this. Unpleasant jobs like cleaning the toilets in restaurants must currently be done by humans. In the future, when robots can do this kind of work, I can see how this proposal could be possible. But it's not possible now. Someone has to do the dirty jobs.

I believe that some kind of basic universal income will become both possible and necessary, but not until robots and artificial intelligence become far more advanced than their current state.


https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/07/ocas...g-to-work.html


Ocasio-Cortez's Green New Deal offers 'economic security' for those 'unwilling to work'


  • House Democrats unveiled their "Green New Deal" Thursday that seeks to shift the U.S. completely to renewable energy in 10 years.
  • An overview stated that the plan will offer "economic security" even to those "unwilling to work."


January 7, 2019



The Green New Deal that Democrats proposed Thursday looks to create a more environmentally sound country with economic benefits for everyone — even those who don't want to work.



An overview circulated by proponents states the plan seeks a "massive transformation of our society" that could rid the country of fossil fuels and "create millions of family supporting-wage [sic] union jobs."


But for those not interested in working, there's something in the plan as well.

The overview notes that the Green New Deal aims to provide "economic security for all who are unable or unwilling to work."


While the resolution patterns itself after President Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal, which was aimed at rescuing the country from the Great Depression, the FDR plan did not include a proviso for those willingly idle. The Green New Deal seeks to shift the U.S. to all renewable energy in 10 years.


The actual resolution that outlines the Green New Deal does not include the "unwilling to work" part, but the overview document, released by New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez's office, does include the "unwilling" language. The overview entails the "nuts and bolts" of the plan. Ocasio-Cortez identifies as a democratic socialist.


CNBC has reached out to Ocasio-Cortez's office for comment.

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It's interesting these kinds of politicians tend to DISABLE the working communities...thereby making them weak and reliant on the government for existence. Historically, this tends to make the government more prone to extremist legislation, and those communities have no incentive to fight back because they are reliant on the same government they oppose. Dictators in the past have used this disabling of local communities, such as taking away guns, taking away choices altogether, so that the people have no choice but to support the government and its policies.

Cortez even says her mobilization will be unlike that seen since WWII. Kind of an odd statement for somebody who has little knowledge of US History. She might benefit from reading it occasionally. She might understand someday, hopefully soon, that a socialist society like her proposal, has the potential to breed much more problems than what it might appear to solve.

There is no way to pay for those unwilling to work without completely demoralizing your middle class, and the wealthy class staying innocuous to the problem altogether. This forms what would basically look like the Revolutionary Wars of Russia, where the local workers and unemployed rose up against the wealthy because there was no middle class anymore. I don't think we want a war like that over here.

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Let's try to contain the AOC chatter to this thread, no need to start new ones.
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AOC already under threat from the NY Democrtic establishment?

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4...-ocasio-cortez



Once again, race identity politics is trumping ideology.
She truly is just being a jerk, and thinks she has support when she has...none. At least none where it counts, and if she cannot realize that, then why is she there but merely to be a Troll, devising attention for herself and only herself, caring not a fuck about what she's doing to her party.

Maybe it's not race but just an extremely ignorant woman who knows nothing about the policies and ideas she's coming up with, and who amazingly wants everyone else to bend the knee to her.

New York City might want AOC, and maybe parts of California, but not the rest of the country.

She has a very very long way to go with public appeal. And going completely extremist...is not wise.
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Trump Whisperer, stop focusing on AOC and get back into the Trump thread.
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Originally Posted by grundle
..."create millions of family supporting-wage [sic] union jobs."...
That's a misplaced [sic], being that there is no grammatical error.
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She truly is just being a jerk, and thinks she has support when she has...none. At least none where it counts, and if she cannot realize that, then why is she there but merely to be a Troll, devising attention for herself and only herself, caring not a fuck about what she's doing to her party.

Maybe it's not race but just an extremely ignorant woman who knows nothing about the policies and ideas she's coming up with, and who amazingly wants everyone else to bend the knee to her.

New York City might want AOC, and maybe parts of California, but not the rest of the country.

She has a very very long way to go with public appeal. And going completely extremist...is not wise.

I don't think she's being a jerk. I like the fact that she beat the long term incumbent in the primary.
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I really hope the GOP continues to underestimate this woman.

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They just can't help themselves.

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Ah yes, the classic "woman with an opinion = bimbo" argument. So glad to see we've regressed back to the 1950's.
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Ah yes, the classic "woman with an opinion = bimbo" argument. So glad to see we've regressed back to the 1950's.
It continues to be obvious that the "Again" in MAGA means that time period.
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Please take all AOC chat to this new thread: https://forum.dvdtalk.com/religion-p...on-thread.html
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Mark Kelly former astronaut and husband to Gabby Giffords announce he running for Senate.

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Zowie!!!

Rep. Ilhan Omar Clashes With Iran-Contra Convict Elliott Abrams Over U.S. Role in Central America
In a heated exchange, she questioned Abrams’ credibility given his role in the Iran-Contra affair and support for U.S.-backed coups in the '80s.

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Zowie!!!

Rep. Ilhan Omar Clashes With Iran-Contra Convict Elliott Abrams Over U.S. Role in Central America
In a heated exchange, she questioned Abrams’ credibility given his role in the Iran-Contra affair and support for U.S.-backed coups in the '80s.

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I'm glad she was elected and hope she continues with a prominent role in the Democrat party because it exposes the Anti-Semetism on the left (She had to apologize this week for comments she made about Jewish people). They hide it by saying that it has nothing to do with the Jews, as it's all about Israel's policies, which is total baloney.
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Is that a claim you can back up with more than a feeling? That's a pretty sweeping comment.
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I'm glad she was elected and hope she continues with a prominent role in the Democrat party because it exposes the Anti-Semetism on the left (She had to apologize this week for comments she made about Jewish people). They hide it by saying that it has nothing to do with the Jews, as it's all about Israel's policies, which is total baloney.
So all criticism of Israel is just gussied-up antisemitism? If antisemitism is so rampant on the Left, remind me again who made her apologize for her remarks about Israel?
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I'm glad she was elected and hope she continues with a prominent role in the Democrat party because it exposes the Anti-Semetism on the left (She had to apologize this week for comments she made about Jewish people). They hide it by saying that it has nothing to do with the Jews, as it's all about Israel's policies, which is total baloney.
I am against many of Israel's policies in regards to the Palestinians. Are you accusing me of being an anti-semite?
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