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Old 04-23-17, 01:12 PM   #776
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Re: Bathrooms - Maybe Texas Learned From The Mistakes Of Others

http://www.kwtx.com/content/news/Abb...3.html?ref=243

Looks like new life for this discrimination bill ;(

The Govenor who was silent is now saying he would sign ;(

I thought he would just stay out of it and let the bill(s) fade away. Regardless of how he felt he could say there were more pressing matters, wanted to be pro-business, etc. Hopefully the House leader can also "block" this absolute non-sense.
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Old 05-19-17, 05:10 AM   #777
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This is why it extends far beyond just bathrooms. Bathrooms is just the start of a massive slippery slope. For example, look at the agenda and indoctrination and removal of parental rights being pushed in Minnesota schools.

http://www.mfc.org/toolkit

Something that stands out here is...parents can be turned in if they don't "Affirm" their child's gender "identity" stating that it could be harmful to the child if the parents don't go along with their "identity"

what is harmful, is affirming a child's disbelief in their biology. Those that affirm a child's disbelief are those who doing harm to the child. There is no compassion in promoting a child's confusion and disbelief and "aiding" in a child's "transition."

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Old 05-19-17, 05:32 AM   #778
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And the LGBTQ Agenda is doing a great disservice to the "T". Instead of trying to focus on those who have gender dysphoria, they have pushed things to the point of lunacy. LGBTQ getting in their own way yet again.

They have stripped the word "gender" of all meaning reducing it simply to a feeling, inclination, and a fantasy. A preference and activity. A social statement. A fad. Instead of acknowledging there are male and female, and how to handle the situations that arises when someone feels they are the opposite, they have pushed it so far to the extreme. Now they are 58+ genders...you can be whatever you wish! You can be even be genderless alien one day and a nonbinary noncomforming pansexual femqueer the next and then back to just an old fashioned male the next.

We are told you cannot pick your sexual attraction, you are born that way. Then we are told you are not born male or female it's all a spectrum and its up to the individual to decide and that can change from day to day. No logic at all. Someone is born gay but not born male or female.

Instead of focusing on those who actually have gender dysphoria and trying to find the best treatment for them, they go full on fantasy land, while telling the rest of us we must "affirm" this.

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Old 05-19-17, 06:32 AM   #779
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Lunacy - fluffing an invisible man based on a feeling, inclination, and a fantasy.

Alternate definition - Cherry picking a second hand accounted book to support bigotry.
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Old 05-19-17, 07:39 AM   #780
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it is always amazing to me that many religious people are the most hateful.

You would think they would be the most compassionate.

As for parent rights, should a parent be allowed to beat their children for disapline? Should a parent be allowed to starve their kids for not eating once? Or a stupidly hot topic now should a parent chose not to have their kids vaccinated?
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Old 05-19-17, 08:28 AM   #781
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it is always amazing to me that many religious people are the most hateful.

You would think they would be the most compassionate.
They are just expressing their 'religious liberty".

On the flip side it's amazing how many religious people in the US realize what religious liberty really means, and they have had it every day since the US constitution was ratified.
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Old 05-19-17, 09:15 AM   #782
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This is why it extends far beyond just bathrooms. Bathrooms is just the start of a massive slippery slope. For example, look at the agenda and indoctrination and removal of parental rights being pushed in Minnesota schools.

http://www.mfc.org/toolkit

Something that stands out here is...parents can be turned in if they don't "Affirm" their child's gender "identity" stating that it could be harmful to the child if the parents don't go along with their "identity"

what is harmful, is affirming a child's disbelief in their biology. Those that affirm a child's disbelief are those who doing harm to the child. There is no compassion in promoting a child's confusion and disbelief and "aiding" in a child's "transition."
I checked the link. Is this an example of the slippery slope you're talking about?

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The state does not mandate the use of LGBT-inclusive curriculum, but lesson and teaching methods that recognize and affirm transgender and gender nonconforming students, as well as the positive contributions of LGBT people to the world, help establish a safe and welcoming environment for transgender and gender nonconforming students, according to the Gay-Straight Alliance Network and the California Safe Schools Coalition’s Safe Schools Research Brief.
A safe and welcoming environment?

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If parents, guardians, siblings and extended family members reject a transgender or gender nonconforming child, their school may be the safest place for them, according to researcher Caitlin Ryan of the Family Acceptance Project. A supportive school will create an affirming and accepting environment for every student, including transgender and gender conforming students and the family’s non-acceptance should not override the schools’ responsibility – Minnesota law requires school staff to report the maltreatment of students. When concerned about a student’s well-being and safety at home, it is best practice for school staff such as social workers or counselors should work directly with the student to develop a plan. If school staff determines the student is not safe, the student support team should follow their protocol for reporting child neglect or harm. Research shows that transgender and gender nonconforming students are at a high risk for harm.
Protecting the students if their family wants to harm them?
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Old 05-19-17, 09:20 AM   #783
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I checked the link. Is this an example of the slippery slope you're talking about?



A safe and welcoming environment?



Protecting the students if their family wants to harm them?
Excellent. I was coming back to read the link and you beat me to it. So the schools are NOT forcing parents to do anything. They are are NOT taking away parents rights as falsely posted.

God I hate this new Trump world. Just post a totally false statement but say it with conviction so people will believe you.
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Old 05-19-17, 09:31 AM   #784
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Some students may feel uncomfortable with a transgender student using the same-sex segregated restroom, locker room or changing facility. Any student who is uncomfortable can be provided a private space.
If this draft proposal becomes policy, Space Ape's daughters will be provided a private space if they are uncomfortable.

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The Minnesota Human Rights Law requires schools to allow all students, including transgender, gender nonconforming, gay, lesbian and bisexual students to fully participate in school dances and celebration events. An inclusive policy would allow a student to bring a date of the same gender to a dance or event, or if a student or their date is transgender or gender nonconforming, it is best practice to allow them to attend the event and to fully participate. It is best practice to not exclude any student from any activity within the event such as participating in the prom’s grand march, dancing together, taking photos together and requesting dedication songs or public displays of affection that do not violate student conduct codes.
It's already the law. We are well down the slippery slope of allowing those people to participate in social activities.
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Old 05-19-17, 09:59 AM   #785
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This is why it extends far beyond just bathrooms. Bathrooms is just the start of a massive slippery slope. For example, look at the agenda and indoctrination and removal of parental rights being pushed in Minnesota schools.

http://www.mfc.org/toolkit

Something that stands out here is...parents can be turned in if they don't "Affirm" their child's gender "identity" stating that it could be harmful to the child if the parents don't go along with their "identity"

what is harmful, is affirming a child's disbelief in their biology. Those that affirm a child's disbelief are those who doing harm to the child. There is no compassion in promoting a child's confusion and disbelief and "aiding" in a child's "transition."
You are just so SCARED. I feel bad for you. The world has gotten away from your views and I can see how that would be tough to deal with. Luckily, your outlook is on its way out.
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Old 05-19-17, 11:38 AM   #786
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If this draft proposal becomes policy, Space Ape's daughters will be provided a private space if they are uncomfortable.



It's already the law. We are well down the slippery slope of allowing those people to participate in social activities.
Most every school policy on the subject already has that. Any student who feels uncomfortable for any reason can be provided reasonable accommodation.

The problem is Ape (and people like him) doesn't think he should be the the one accomading. He thinks "they" (the transgender student) should be forced to accommodate him.

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Old 05-19-17, 12:03 PM   #787
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Well, they are the minority. Clearly there are still people who think they can treat people unequally because they are part of a minority. Can't imagine where we would be as a country if SCOTUS had not created protections for at least some minority groups.
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Old 05-19-17, 10:16 PM   #788
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http://cnn.it/2qzTQeE

While somewhat off topic, I honestly didn't know this shit still went on. I mean WTF?

"Conversion therapy". Seriously? In 2017?
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Old 05-19-17, 10:34 PM   #789
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A Republican signed off on that bill? Someone check on Pence!
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Old 05-20-17, 10:54 AM   #790
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While somewhat off topic, I honestly didn't know this shit still went on. I mean WTF?

"Conversion therapy". Seriously? In 2017?
as long as converting brainwashed morons into decent people is still allowed, assuming it's ever done/possible
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Old 05-21-17, 05:46 AM   #791
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I checked the link. Is this an example of the slippery slope you're talking about?



A safe and welcoming environment?



Protecting the students if their family wants to harm them?
Reading the whole link its clear what the agenda is. Now, what if parents don't want to "affirm" their child's gender confusion? Is that considered "harming" their child? By whats in the link, I would say that is what they are getting at.

Considering studies have shown the majority grow out of it if given the chance, it's clear why some parents wouldn't want to "affirm" their child's gender confusion, but seek the proper help for the child.
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Reading the whole link its clear what the agenda is. Now, what if parents don't want to "affirm" their child's gender confusion? Is that considered "harming" their child? By whats in the link, I would say that is what they are getting at.

Considering studies have shown the majority grow out of it if given the chance, it's clear why some parents wouldn't want to "affirm" their child's gender confusion, but seek the proper help for the child.
If you read the article that's not at all what's it's saying. As the parent you can raise your child how you see fit. But you can't force the school to do what you want. Just like you can't force the school to teach them religion (public school). Just like you can't force them take take your unvaccinated kids because of your beliefs.

The article is simply saying, they will support the child while in school. Hard to believe anyone would have an issue with that.

And your continuing to bring up "the majority grow out of it" is insulting and has nothing to do with anything (even if true).
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Old 05-22-17, 12:41 PM   #793
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http://www.texasmonthly.com/burka-bl...ampaign=buffer

An unneeded bathroom bill was passed in Texas ;(

"—is limited to providing private bathrooms in public schools and open enrollment charter schools to children who want to opt out of bathrooms assigned to a specific biological sex."

Have to look at details. But so long as these private bathrooms are available VOLUNTARILY to any student for any reason and there is no forcing any group to use them...sure....why not. It's the Target solution. And could benefit shy students, students with medical issues, etc.
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Old 05-22-17, 02:48 PM   #794
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And....looks like not voluntary. This is aweful. Still have not found a posting of the new law.

Can only hope the NCAA, NFL and major companies bitch slap Texas the way they did NC.

""If they are biologically considered to be a female, they must use that [facility]," Paddie said in laying out this amendment. "Otherwise, there will be accommodations made for them to use a single-occupancy facility."

So in fact they are ordering the trans student where to go. Yes others can use the private bathroom if they want, but a Trans student is being ordered. Just listen to the overt condensation and discrimination. It comes out even in the reading "...there will be accommodations made for them". Wow! Just wow. Cannot believe in 2017 we are back to "separate but equal".

https://www.texastribune.org/2017/05...tions-schools/
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I will never understand - never - why people give this much of a piss or shit who takes a piss or shit next to them. In a bathroom with enclosed stalls. Are people this fucking stupid? Because literally, you have to be flat out stupid to care about this sort of thing. Jesus says love thy neighbor, apparently unless of course thy neighbor is a trans person taking a dump in the stall next to you.

Fucking idiots. If you support these laws you are a fucking idiot.
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I will never understand - never - why people give this much of a piss or shit who takes a piss or shit next to them. In a bathroom with enclosed stalls. Are people this fucking stupid? Because literally, you have to be flat out stupid to care about this sort of thing. Jesus says love thy neighbor, apparently unless of course thy neighbor is a trans person taking a dump in the stall next to you.

Fucking idiots. If you support these laws you are a fucking idiot.
It still boggles my mind that those in favor of these laws apparently never thought about where transgender people were using the bathroom before all of this started a few years ago.
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I will never understand - never - why people give this much of a piss or shit who takes a piss or shit next to them. In a bathroom with enclosed stalls. Are people this fucking stupid? Because literally, you have to be flat out stupid to care about this sort of thing.
It makes perfect sense when you realize that all of these "bathroom bills" and "religious liberty bills" exist for the sole purpose of hurting and humiliating people who are different.
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Name me a single demographic, besides wealthy white people, Republicans aren't afraid of.
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Name me a single demographic, besides wealthy white people, Republicans aren't afraid of.
Fundie christians?
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I will never understand - never - why people give this much of a piss or shit who takes a piss or shit next to them.

Jesus says love thy neighbor, apparently unless of course thy neighbor is a trans person taking a dump in the stall next to you.
Because of safety, privacy, and the start (or continuation) of a long slippery slope.

Please tell me you do not interpret "love thy neighbor" as if you don't think men should be allowed in women's room to protect women's and children's privacy and safety as "hating thy neighbor"

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