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DNC: Hillary Lost Election Because She Talked Too Much About Trump

BALTIMORE — Every leading contender to take over the Democratic National Committee believes Hillary Clinton focused too much on attacking Donald Trump at the expense of articulating an affirmative case for holding the White House. During their final showdown before the chairman’s election in Atlanta on Feb. 25, there was consensus that the party’s problems derive mainly from subpar organization and communication — not anything fundamental.

“We forgot to talk to people,” said Tom Perez, who was secretary of labor until last month and a finalist to be Clinton’s running mate last summer. “I’m a big believer in data analytics, but data analytics cannot supplant good old fashioned door knocking. … We didn’t communicate our values to people. When Donald Trump says, ‘I’m going to bring the coal jobs back,’ we know that’s a lie. But people understand that he feels their pain. And our response was: ‘Vote for us because he’s crazy.’ I’ll stipulate to that, but that’s not a message.”
This should be a playbook lesson for Democrats if they want to win any seats in 2018, and looking further, to the 2020 election.

Focus more on the people you serve...not the people you hate.
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Old 02-13-17, 12:14 PM
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DNC: Hillary Lost Election Because She Talked Too Much About Trump



This should be a playbook lesson for Democrats if they want to win any seats in 2018, and looking further, to the 2020 election.

Focus more on the people you serve...not the people you hate.
What if they hate the people they serve?
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File that article under the "No Shit" section.
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At the very least Hillary didn't threaten to jail Trump upon becoming POTUS. That said, Hillary should've been trying to sell herself and her policies better.

But, keep dreaming that there won't be enormous blow-back in 2018 and 2020.
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Playing the results.
There are a thousand potential explanations for why Trump won and every one is just as valid as the next. Plus it's hard to draw too much of a conclusion about what went wrong in an election where HRC got almost 3 Million more votes than Trump but still lost.

The only valid conclusion I am willing to draw is that HRC should have devoted more attention to the folks in the Rust Belt. Anything else is pure conjecture.
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Trump won. Get over it!!!
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With Trump driving the country into the ground and his regime constantly backstabbing each other, it's getting harder and harder to divert attention to Hillary. So, let's start an entire thread where Trump supporters can reminisce about how awful she was without being reminded that their guy is an incompetent goon who's surrounded himself with corrupt idiots in the pay of foreign powers.
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Originally Posted by Troy Stiffler View Post
Trump won. Get over it!!!
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I actually thought she didn't go after Trump all that much. She just said she'd be a better candidate and here's why. She left most of the Trump-thumping to the media and whatnot.

Hillary's problem wasn't Trump. It wasn't what she said about Trump or didn't say about Trump. Hillary's problem was Hillary. But that's a tougher pill to swallow so gotta blame something else.. anything else.. I think this is like the 20th thing they said cost her the election.
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You know what she didn't talk enough about? Benghazi. We still need to get to the bottom of that.
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Re: Talking Too Much About Trump Might Cost You An Election....

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With Trump driving the country into the ground and his regime constantly backstabbing each other, it's getting harder and harder to divert attention to Hillary. So, let's start an entire thread where Trump supporters can reminisce about how awful she was without being reminded that their guy is an incompetent goon who's surrounded himself with corrupt idiots in the pay of foreign powers.


Hillary Derangement Syndrome

Even in her embarrassing defeat she haunts and taunts them.
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By that logic, shouldn't Trump have lost since he talked about Trump even more than Hillary did?
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I actually thought she didn't go after Trump all that much. She just said she'd be a better candidate and here's why. She left most of the Trump-thumping to the media and whatnot.

Hillary's problem wasn't Trump. It wasn't what she said about Trump or didn't say about Trump. Hillary's problem was Hillary. But that's a tougher pill to swallow so gotta blame something else.. anything else.. I think this is like the 20th thing they said cost her the election.
That was the standard playbook. The candidate stays positive and doesn't say nasty things about the opponent, and consequently looks presidential. It used to be the job of the VP candidate to go after the opposition, and now it's the job of PACs.

Among the other bits of popular wisdom that Trump ignored, he showed that he could win while talking about Crooked Hillary and Lyin' Ted.
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Among the other bits of popular wisdom that Trump ignored, he showed that he could win while talking about Crooked Hillary and Lyin' Ted.
And the lesson here for Dems is they need to field a candidate who'll call Trump a whiny little bitch who's always complaining because somebody hurt his feelings (and to use that terminology, not try to pretty it up).
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And the lesson here for Dems is they need to field a candidate who'll call Trump a whiny little bitch who's always complaining because somebody hurt his feelings (and to use that terminology, not try to pretty it up).
The findings are that talking too much about trump cost her the election, but this is your take away?

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The findings are that talking too much about trump caused her the election, but this is your take away?
My take is that the DNC is just as out of touch with their base as the Republicans were in 2008.
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The findings are that talking too much about trump caused her the election, but this is your take away?
There's a difference between running against Trump the Outsider and running against Trump the Incumbent President. Presidential elections featuring an incumbent are always a referendum on their administration.
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Among the other bits of popular wisdom that Trump ignored, he showed that he could win while talking about Crooked Hillary and Lyin' Ted.
Let's not forget Lil' Marco and Low Energy. They were also founding members of 2LameKrew.
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The only valid conclusion I am willing to draw is that HRC should have devoted more attention to the folks in the Rust Belt. Anything else is pure conjecture.
I wouldn't go that far. Those ad's where they show Trump cussing and school schildren watching him on TV
got criticized pretty badly by AD Weekly the day after the election. Basically it was a "no shit" ad. Like even Trump suporters think he is crude. At some point going negative has diminishing returns but people in her circle hive mind all probably thought it was a good ad which they wasted 50-100 million in national buys. People running for office really when they test these ad's should have people outside of politics evaluate if they are good or not.
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I wouldn't go that far. Those ad's where they show Trump cussing and school schildren watching him on TV https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrX3Ql31URA got criticized pretty badly by AD Weekly the day after the election. Basically it was a "no shit" ad. Like even Trump suporters think he is crude. At some point going negative has diminishing returns but people in her circle hive mind all probably thought it was a good ad which they wasted 50-100 million in national buys. People running for office really when they test these ad's should have people outside of politics evaluate if they are good or not.
That sad part is that it SHOULD have been effective. But people love a pussy-grabber who mocks the disabled as long as he promises to bring back jobs in dying industries.
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That sad part is that it SHOULD have been effective. But people love a pussy-grabber who mocks the disabled as long as he promises to bring back jobs in dying industries.
The Letterman one should have been effective. Alas people didn't care that he was talking about bringing manufacturing jobs back while producing his lines overseas.
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At some point going negative has diminishing returns but people in her circle hive mind all probably thought it was a good ad which they wasted 50-100 million in national buys. People running for office really when they test these ad's should have people outside of politics evaluate if they are good or not.
I think it was actually intended to sway voters. It was not very effective.
You know that video was redone after the woman's march in DC. It almost works better here because it was done for a specific type of audience.

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Hillary essentially played prevent defense throughout the election and had one message to the public: Trump was crazy and unelectable.

That didn't work and the Democrats, The Media and the Late Night Comedians are doing it again, and not realizing it wont work again in 2020. Trump will win or lose in 2020 because of the economy, foreign policy, etc, not his personality.

Trump totally played them in that Press Conference yesterday as all they are doing is talking about Trump, Trump and Trump, instead of focusing on his agenda with Republicans.
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Trump totally played them in that Press Conference yesterday as all they are doing is talking about Trump, Trump and Trump.


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Trump totally played them in that Press Conference yesterday as all they are doing is talking about Trump, Trump and Trump, instead of focusing on his agenda with Republicans.
If the media decided to cover his press conference (I don't think that they should) then it makes sense to talk about the press conference. What agenda is there to talk about?

When you remove: his digs at the media, his gloating over his election win, and his mocking, there was nothing new beyond a campaign soundbite regarding his agenda. No details. No insights. The media properly covered it. But as I said, they shouldn't have covered it.
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