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Brexit welcomes PM Boris Johnson

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Brexit welcomes PM Boris Johnson

UK leaving the EU? I hope so!

Nigel Farage of UKIP vs. Bob Geldof in Thames river battle.

(yeah, you're quite the punk rebel, Bob--cheering for a massive centralization of power and a disenfranchisement of the average man-on-the-street in Britain in favor of unelected EU bureaucrats.)

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Re: Brexit

Wait, you support Nigel Farage?
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Re: Brexit

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Wait, you support Nigel Farage?
You're surprised at that?

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Re: Brexit

I know you are conservative but I didn't realize you are such a far right conservative. That puts things in perspective.
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Re: Brexit

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I know you are conservative but I didn't realize you are such a far right conservative. That puts things in perspective.
I'm actually a classical liberal, but yes, in the common parlance of these times that does indeed make me a far-right conservative.
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Re: Brexit

Classical like Greco-Roman?
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Classical like Greco-Roman?
Is that some homoerotic wrestling insinuation against me?
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Re: Brexit

Just wondering how "classic" you consider classical liberalism to be.
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Re: Brexit

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Just wondering how "classic" you consider classical liberalism to be.
https://mises.org/library/what-classical-liberalism
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I hope that mises.org is better at definitions than it is at the gun stuff (they argued that refusing to compare gun violence in developed nations with developing/"third world" countries was prejudiced and xenophobic).

But carry on.
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Thanks for that. I would not call UKIP bastions of classical liberalism as that article explained it.
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Re: Brexit

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Thanks for that. I would not call UKIP bastions of classical liberalism as that article explained it.
Do you really see the EU as a democratic institution? UKIP is certainly a lot closer to classical liberalism than they are.
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There's a difference between self-determination and xenophobia, and UKIP has always been on the xenophobic side.

We could discuss and debate the merits of the EU, ways to make it more democratic, etc. But I'd hope that such a debate would be held with more moderate voices than what UKIP presents.
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There's a difference between self-determination and xenophobia, and UKIP has always been on the xenophobic side.

We could discuss and debate the merits of the EU, ways to make it more democratic, etc. But I'd hope that such a debate would be held with more moderate voices than what UKIP presents.
Well, you would describe the UKIP side as xenophobia, and I'd describe much of the alternative as insane xenophilia, but there you have it.
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Right, and now we're not going to have any kind of good discussion on the EU. Thanks, Nigel!
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Re: Brexit

For anyone interested, here's a good summary of the whole thing:

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...exit.html?_r=0
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According to that article, a similar exit vote was defeated in 1975, with 67% of the voting population option to remain. The polls now show that 64% of the population lean towards staying. Sounds like public opinion hasn't changed much, despite the greater regulatory powers of the EU in the intervening years.
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Re: Brexit

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According to that article, a similar exit vote was defeated in 1975, with 67% of the voting population option to remain. The polls now show that 64% of the population lean towards staying. Sounds like public opinion hasn't changed much, despite the greater regulatory powers of the EU in the intervening years.
Where are you getting that number from?

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graph...-eu-referendum
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From the article you linked to:

As the campaign has progressed, the odds against Brexit have gradually become smaller. Betfair, a betting exchange, has “remain” at 64 percent probability.
I'll give more weight to that Economist tracker, as I misread "64% probability" as 64% supporting remaining.
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Re: Brexit

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From the article you linked to:



I'll give more weight to that Economist tracker, as I misread "64% probability" as 64% supporting remaining.
Oh, I guess I didn't read my own link that closely. But yeah, I think the current polls show a slight favor for leaving.
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Labour MP assassinated by apparent rightwing nationalist.

LONDON — A member of Britain’s Parliament was shot and stabbed to death Thursday in an attack that stunned the nation and brought to an immediate halt the country's European Union referendum campaign just a week before the vote.

Police did not provide a motive for the killing. But British media organizations including the Guardian and Sky News quoted witnesses as saying that the assailant shouted "Britain First!" during and after the attack — a slogan linked to anti-immigrant groups.

Police officials in the northern English region of West Yorkshire said Jo Cox, a 41-year-old member of the center-left Labour Party who has been outspoken in advocating for civilian victims in Syria, was pronounced dead an hour after she was assaulted outside a library near the city of Leeds.

Police said they think that a 52-year-old man who was taken into custody was responsible for the attack, and they did not think there were accomplices.

Britain First is the name of a far-right group that stages provocative anti-Muslim demonstrations. Following Thursday's attack, the organization posted a statement on its website denying involvement, and saying it "would never encourage behavior of this sort."
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Re: Brexit

But the shooting was done with a non-AR-15 rifle, maybe an antique or home-made gun.

And stabbed.

Mods, please remove story. Only AR-15 stories.






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Fuck, that is awful. European far right groups are getting bolder by the day.
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Far right?
I believe y'all mean "Classical Liberals."

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