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Old 09-18-13, 10:56 PM
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It used to be a real TV channel, along with TLC.
And now, even the National Geographic Channel is showing stupid shit like "Doomsday Preppers."

The fucking NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC CHANNEL slumming with this LCD bullshit that's taken over the airwaves.
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Actually, Israel was held in bondage. But, of course, Egypt didn't want to look like douchebags so they called the Hebrews by another name and made up a story that Egypt drove them out, keeping them from taking over.
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Wait! That can't be true! There was only one large land mass at the time of the flood. All these people of different colors must have descended from the Master Race on the Ark.
There is a 'theory' (not in the scientific sense) that Noah's three sons populated the three continents, with the descendents of Ham (and bearing their father's curse of being laborers for the descendents of Noah's other sons) populating Africa. And this 'Curse of Ham' was used to justify slavery?
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Those studies ARE based on actual historical records.
The bible?
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So (lemme get this straight) the Egyptians, who conquered and enslaved, early and often, all sorts of neighboring countries/peoples, decided to change the names of enslaved Hebrews (and ONLY them)? What, they were angling for a career in show-biz later on?
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So (lemme get this straight) the Egyptians, who conquered and enslaved, early and often, all sorts of neighboring countries/peoples, decided to change the names of enslaved Hebrews (and ONLY them)? What, they were angling for a career in show-biz later on?
They didn't want to look like douchebags, because you know, conquering nations are always concerned about their public image and don't want to look like douchebags to other nations.
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So (lemme get this straight) the Egyptians, who conquered and enslaved, early and often, all sorts of neighboring countries/peoples, decided to change the names of enslaved Hebrews (and ONLY them)? What, they were angling for a career in show-biz later on?
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Re: 7 Examples of Discrimination Against Christians in America

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Those studies ARE based on actual historical records.
You are either confused as to what constitutes as evidence, or trying to be misleading on purpose.

Jesus: An Historian's Review of the Gospels by Michael Grant - The primary source of historical data his examines is the Gospels. That's like saying Superman is real by looking at a Superman comic and pointing out all the familiar buildings he flies over are real and producing the issues where he's on David Letterman and talking to Obama in the White House.

If you actually read the book, the guy clearly writes "the writers of the gospels, their aims being what they were, had no intention of limiting themselves to these facts of prosaic history. For they interwove them with a great deal of other material as well. But so did ancient pagan writers on historical subjects."

It's funny that you mention a Bart Ehrman's book without acknowledging his " Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium" book where he quite clearly makes the case that Jesus likely existed, but explains that most of the Bible is the product of forged books, misleading edits, and elaborated fantasy. He thinks Jesus was a doomsday preacher and the Bible is man-made, not God-made.

Not only that, but many of his "facts" have been debunked:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/1026

I don't know much of Burridge & Gould.

At the end of the day, the primary source of information on events or people in the Bible, is the Bible.
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You are either confused as to what constitutes as evidence, or trying to be misleading on purpose.

Jesus: An Historian's Review of the Gospels by Michael Grant - The primary source of historical data his examines is the Gospels. That's like saying Superman is real by looking at a Superman comic and pointing out all the familiar buildings he flies over are real and producing the issues where he's on David Letterman and talking to Obama in the White House.

If you actually read the book, the guy clearly writes "the writers of the gospels, their aims being what they were, had no intention of limiting themselves to these facts of prosaic history. For they interwove them with a great deal of other material as well. But so did ancient pagan writers on historical subjects."

It's funny that you mention a Bart Ehrman's book without acknowledging his " Jesus: Apocalyptic Prophet of the New Millennium" book where he quite clearly makes the case that Jesus likely existed, but explains that most of the Bible is the product of forged books, misleading edits, and elaborated fantasy. He thinks Jesus was a doomsday preacher and the Bible is man-made, not God-made.

Not only that, but many of his "facts" have been debunked:

http://freethoughtblogs.com/carrier/archives/1026

I don't know much of Burridge & Gould.

At the end of the day, the primary source of information on events or people in the Bible, is the Bible.
The gospels are valid historical documents just like any others that you accept without question. Sounds to me like you pick and choose what history you want to accept as fact. No surprise you want and need Jesus to be fictional since it serves your ideology.
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The gospels are valid historical documents just like any others that you accept without question. Sounds to me like you pick and choose what history you want to accept as fact. No surprise you want and need Jesus to be fictional since it serves your ideology.


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Re: 7 Examples of Discrimination Against Christians in America

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The gospels are valid historical documents just like any others that you accept without question. Sounds to me like you pick and choose what history you want to accept as fact. No surprise you want and need Jesus to be fictional since it serves your ideology.
No, even religious scholars identify some of the gospels as fiction, however, least in my reading, most identify the recognition that a person named Jesus existed, and lived at least according to the loose confines according to the Gospels.

No Historical Document is taken as precisely fact. It has to be read through the lens of those who wrote it, and situated within other historical treatises. Historical fact as you put it cannot be determined from one document, but instead is the accumulated knowledge from many sources.
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Re: 7 Examples of Discrimination Against Christians in America

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The gospels are valid historical documents just like any others that you accept without question. Sounds to me like you pick and choose what history you want to accept as fact. No surprise you want and need Jesus to be fictional since it serves your ideology.
Please name one historical document chock full of supernatural occurrences that people accept without question.
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Re: 7 Examples of Discrimination Against Christians in America

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The gospels are valid historical documents just like any others that you accept without question. Sounds to me like you pick and choose what history you want to accept as fact. No surprise you want and need Jesus to be fictional since it serves your ideology.
Most anything found is a "historical document", it does not mean it is "providing history." Not even the authors that Spottedfeather posted agree with you.

Read this again: "the writers of the gospels, their aims being what they were, had no intention of limiting themselves to these facts of prosaic history. For they interwove them with a great deal of other material as well. But so did ancient pagan writers on historical subjects."

We found Aesop's Fables that are 2500 years old. They are clearly historical documents, however it does not make talking lions a reality. Hercules showing up in Aesop's Fables is more corroborating evidence that he was real then we have for Jesus!
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Please name one historical document chock full of supernatural occurrences that people accept without question.
Thar be several, including the Bible.

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For every person who tries to reason with dvdjunkie, he only sees "an atheist who never admits he's wrong". You might as well get an apple fritter.
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The gospels are valid historical documents just like any others that you accept without question. Sounds to me like you pick and choose what history you want to accept as fact. No surprise you want and need Jesus to be fictional since it serves your ideology.
Sure they are historical documents but that doesn't mean that one word is true.

How can you believe, that books which were passed by word of mouth for some time, before being written down, are nothing but the truth?
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How can you believe, that books which were passed by word of mouth for some time, before being written down, are nothing but the truth?
Because faith is a fact.

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Except, wouldn't have Cain's descendants all been wiped out in the Flood? There are an awful lot of black people for them to be descended from Cain.
Well, Papa was a rolling stone...
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The problem is that homosexual unions provide zero benefit for the States or the country, while monogamous traditional marriage has been proven as the most healthy and reliable means of raising and protecting children. This, in turn, saves the government both time and money, because most failed marriages end with the children largely becoming wards, and the feds pick up the tab.
Please show us where you are citing this information from.
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Sure they are historical documents but that doesn't mean that one word is true.

How can you believe, that books which were passed by word of mouth for some time, before being written down, are nothing but the truth?
Ok well then we must recall ANY historical event as possible fiction now. Might as well throw out years of archaeological finds since you refuse to accept this as evidence as well.
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No, even religious scholars identify some of the gospels as fiction, however, least in my reading, most identify the recognition that a person named Jesus existed, and lived at least according to the loose confines according to the Gospels.

No Historical Document is taken as precisely fact. It has to be read through the lens of those who wrote it, and situated within other historical treatises. Historical fact as you put it cannot be determined from one document, but instead is the accumulated knowledge from many sources.
Historically the scholarship largely agreed that a historical jesus existed. However, it was very circular in its reasoning. The counter view is gaining steam, and along with it seriousness and rigor.

I will also add that when actually examined the evidence for the existence of an HJ is incredibly scant. There are a few lines in the six or seven authentic Pauline letters, some textual analysis, and a few bits from folks like Polycarp, Irenaeus, et. al., though that is the weakest portion.

And speaking of Paul, it is startling to see just how little he actually writes about jesus, how little detail, if any, he offers. Just an observation.
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Source?*

*Your ass does not qualify.
History, scientific research,...you know, paying attention to what is going on in the world.
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So (lemme get this straight) the Egyptians, who conquered and enslaved, early and often, all sorts of neighboring countries/peoples, decided to change the names of enslaved Hebrews (and ONLY them)? What, they were angling for a career in show-biz later on?
Yeah, they enslaved a lot of different people. But it was only the hebrew that would have made them look bad, having let them go. So, they decided to rewrite history, making the Hebrews the Hyksos, who tried to take over Egypt. To their enemies, this would be a lot scarier than saying that they let a million people leave and couldn't do anything about it.
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Is that supposed to mean something ?
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Ok well then we must recall ANY historical event as possible fiction now. Might as well throw out years of archaeological finds since you refuse to accept this as evidence as well.
Two comments:

1. It is not unreasonable to believe that folks writing the bible stories would have included real places. Surely some archaeological finds will match with the bible.

2. However, it is incredible at just how few do corroborate the bible, and further that as the field advances more things are being disproven or questioned, where they once were accepted.
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