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Old 08-07-15, 05:28 PM
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I don't really see the problem. If a candidate says something controversial in the run-up to a debate -- and Trump has suggested that he would go independent if he doesn't get the nom -- it's certainly legitimate for the moderators to bring it up.

If Trump had sided with his lawyer who said there's no such thing as marital rape, do you think it would be unfair to ask the other candidates what they think on that subject?
There is a big difference between a question and a pledge. The Fox moderator was essentially acting as a representative of the RNC/GOP by leading a pledge of allegiance. Fox is disgraceful.
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Nice, to see Trump, take the high road. On CNN, Trump called the questions "ridiculous," called her "off-base," and said, "You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. Blood coming out of her wherever."
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Trump's "pledge" controversy gets a from me. It indicates that he's a not a blind partisan. And he's a team player (USA being the team, not the political parties). He said that he'll respect whoever wins the election. And that's admirable.
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I might as well post this in the Presidential thread.

I was reading USA Today at lunch and they had a story about "sore loser" rules prohibiting a candidate from appearing on a ballot as an Independent or third party candidate after they have previously declared themselves a candidate in another party.

It seems rather strange to have such rules but I bet it is just one of many such rules used to keep people off the ballots. I bet both major parties support such rules.
Today we're seeing the two major parties exposing themselves for what they really are. If you don't do the usual stuff, meaning you actually listen to Americans and WANT to try and change things, they will do everything in their power to discredit you, and as you mentioned and others, new rules governing your affiliations after you leave said party.

If Trump could find a way to take the best Democrats and the best Republicans and form his own party, I'd be all for it. Fuck the Democrat Party and fuck the Republican Party. These two parties are old, haggard, don't want change, and they will do everything to keep it that way.

I'm pretty sure our Founding Leaders would be ashamed of these two parties and what they have done to the US, as well as making deals abroad with seriously questionable countries for the last haft a century when it comes to economic policy and foreign relations.

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Nice, to see Trump, take the high road. On CNN, Trump called the questions "ridiculous," called her "off-base," and said, "You could see there was blood coming out of her eyes. Blood coming out of her wherever."
Guys, we just had a front-runner for president saying that the debate moderator was on the rag!

Holy shit!

America, this is your fault!!!
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Guys, we just had a front-runner for president saying that the debate moderator was on the rag!

Holy shit!

America, this is your fault!!!
We're going to get what we deserve, that's for sure.

It's funny. I remember when (Bill) Clnton was President, rightys were oh, so upset that we had lost sooooo much respect on the world stage because of his behavior. I specifically remember hearing someone going on about how their son was in a taxi overseas and the driver was joking about Clinton and his slick willie. They were mortified that America had become a joke. Just what the FUCK do these people think the rest of the world is going to say if we actually elect this buffoon Trump.
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We're going to get what we deserve, that's for sure.

It's funny. I remember when (Bill) Clnton was President, rightys were oh, so upset that we had lost sooooo much respect on the world stage because of his behavior. I specifically remember hearing someone going on about how their son was in a taxi overseas and the driver was joking about Clinton and his slick willie. They were mortified that America had become a joke. Just what the FUCK do these people think the rest of the world is going to say if we actually elect this buffoon Trump.
You're asking the wrong question, since there's obviously a huge overlap between the people supporting Trump and the people who don't care what the rest of the world thinks about the US.
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I'm voting for Bernie Sanders - any presidential candidate who has the fortitude to speak at Liberty College - can't all be bad.
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I'm voting for Bernie Sanders - any presidential candidate who has the fortitude to speak at Liberty College - can't all be bad.
Speaking of which.....

http://www.trueactivist.com/18-ceos-...tsourcing-jobs
Senator Sanders, in his no-nonsense approach, released a report identifying 18 CEOs responsible for wrecking the economy.


Read More: http://www.trueactivist.com/18-ceos-...tsourcing-jobs

Bernie Sanders is the underdog in the American political race, but he’s quickly gaining momentum as a prime candidate to lead the US, as his no-nonsense, candor approach is appreciated by many – especially the millennial generation.

In response to 80 CEOS recently publishing a letter on the Wall Street Journal lecturing America about deficit reduction and urging them to “act on the deficit and reform Medicare and Medicare,” Sanders had the following to say:

There really is no shame. The Wall Street leaders whose recklessness and illegal behavior caused this terrible recession are now lecturing the American people on the need for courage to deal with the nation’s finances and deficit crisis. Before telling us why we should cut Social Security, Medicare and other vitally important programs, these CEOs might want to take a hard look at their responsibility for causing the deficit and this terrible recession.

Our Wall Street friends might also want to show some courage of their own by suggesting that the wealthiest people in this country, like them, start paying their fair share of taxes. They might work to end the outrageous corporate loopholes, tax havens and outsourcing provisions that their lobbyists have littered throughout the tax code – contributing greatly to our deficit.

Many of the CEO’s who signed the deficit-reduction letter run corporations that evaded at least $34.5 billion in taxes by setting up more than 600 subsidiaries in the Cayman Islands and other offshore tax havens since 2008. As a result, at least a dozen of the companies avoided paying any federal income taxes in recent years, and even received more than $6.4 billion in tax refunds from the IRS since 2008.

Several of the companies received a total taxpayer bailout of more than $2.5 trillion from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department.

Many of the companies also have outsourced hundreds of thousands of American jobs to China and other low wage countries, forcing their workers to receive unemployment insurance and other federal benefits. In other words, these are some of the same people who have significantly caused the deficit to explode over the last four years.
Remaining true to his promise to serve the people as a politician, Sanders responded to the lecture from the American CEO’s by releasing a report detailing how 18 of them have helped blow up the deficit and wreck the economy outsourcing jobs and evading US taxes.
The list of 18 CEO’s follows:
1) Bank of America CEO Brian Moynihan

Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? Zero. $1.9 billion tax refund.

Taxpayer Bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department? Over $1.3 trillion.

Amount of federal income taxes Bank of America would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $2.6 billion.
2) Goldman Sachs CEO Lloyd Blankfein

Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2008? Zero. $278 million tax refund.

Taxpayer Bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department? $824 billion.

Amount of federal income taxes Goldman Sachs would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $2.7 billion
3) JP Morgan Chase CEO James Dimon

Taxpayer Bailout from the Federal Reserve and the Treasury Department? $416 billion.

Amount of federal income taxes JP Morgan Chase would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $4.9 billion.
4) General Electric CEO Jeffrey Immelt

Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? Zero. $3.3 billion tax refund.

Taxpayer Bailout from the Federal Reserve? $16 billion.

Jobs Shipped Overseas? At least 25,000 since 2001.
5) Verizon CEO Lowell McAdam

Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? Zero. $705 million tax refund.

American Jobs Cut in 2010? In 2010, Verizon announced 13,000 job cuts, the third highest corporate layoff total that year.
6) Boeing CEO James McNerney, Jr.

Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? None. $124 million tax refund.

American Jobs Shipped overseas? Over 57,000.

Amount of Corporate Welfare? At least $58 billion.
7) Microsoft CEO Steve Ballmer

Amount of federal income taxes Microsoft would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $19.4 billion.
8) Honeywell International CEO David Cote

Amount of federal income taxes paid from 2008-2010? Zero. $34 million tax refund.
9) Corning CEO Wendell Weeks

Amount of federal income taxes paid from 2008-2010? Zero. $4 million tax refund.
10) Time Warner CEO Glenn Britt

Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2008? Zero. $74 million tax refund.
11). Merck CEO Kenneth Frazier

Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2009? Zero. $55 million tax refund.
12) Deere & Company CEO Samuel Allen

Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2009? Zero. $1 million tax refund.
13) Marsh & McLennan Companies CEO Brian Duperreault

Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2010? Zero. $90 million refund.
14) Qualcomm CEO Paul Jacobs

Amount of federal income taxes Qualcomm would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $4.7 billion.
15) Tenneco CEO Gregg Sherill

Amount of federal income taxes Tenneco would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $269 million.
16) Express Scripts CEO George Paz

Amount of federal income taxes Express Scripts would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $20 million.
17) Caesars Entertainment CEO Gary Loveman

Amount of federal income taxes Caesars Entertainment would have owed if offshore tax havens were eliminated? $9 million.
18). R.R. Donnelly & Sons CEO Thomas Quinlan III

Amount of federal income taxes paid in 2008? Zero. $49 million tax refund.

As PoliticusUSA discloses, eighteen of the 80 CEOs who signed the call for deficit action are actually some of the biggest outsourcers and tax cheats in America. Not only did they crash the economy in 2008, they followed that incident by taking billions in taxpayer bailout dollars.

Then, they outsourced jobs and evaded taxes. It’s pretty unbelievable, then, that they are now calling for action on a deficit that they helped create over the past four years.

Thankfully, Senator Sanders is not standing for the corruption and has done a great deed by bringing the disgraceful actions of these CEOs to attention.
Hard not to like the guy.
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Interesting. Here's the story on that: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/m...anders-speech/

It goes back to what I keep posting... Civility has to be the focus. We have to de-escalate polarized and insulting attitudes from politicians and their blind followers. We have to compromise to be respectful to all viewpoints. If we can't change the attitude, we're going to have another 4-8 years of the same viscous cycle. And everyone suffers the consequences.

It was the fall of 2008, and Liberty University suddenly found itself dealing with a problem it had never before encountered in its more than 40-year history:

College Democrats.

The largest evangelical Christian university in the world, whose doctrinal statement at the time declared its “strong commitment to political conservatism, total rejection of socialism and firm support for America’s economic system of free enterprise,” had never had a chapter of the student organization on its campus.

For a while, the newly formed group went about its business as College Dems at any other school would. They held meetings and drank too much coffee and campaigned aggressively for Barack Obama.

But the following spring, the club’s leadership received an e-mail from the vice president of student affairs: “I must inform you that the College Democrats club is no longer going to be recognized as a Liberty University club,” it read. “We are unable to lend support to a club whose parent organization stands against the moral principles held by Liberty University.”

Citing problematic aspects of the Democrats’ platform — support for federal funding of abortion and hate crime legislation, promotion of the “LGBT agenda,” “socialism,” etc. — the e-mail said that association with the party ran contrary to Liberty’s values. The students were ordered to stop referencing the school in the group’s name and promotional materials and informed that their club would be removed from the school’s Web site.

[Virginia’s Liberty transforms into evangelical mega-university]

Six years later, David Nasser, Liberty’s senior vice president for spiritual development, set about booking guest speakers for the school’s “convocations,” the semiweekly school assemblies that evolved from chapel services. He reached out to the expected list of people: Christian musician David Crowder, Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Tex.), Heritage Foundation president and former senator Jim DeMint.

Also on the list? Sen. Bernie Sanders (Vt.), a Jewish, self-styled “Democratic socialist” who voted against the Defense of Marriage Act, defends Planned Parenthood and has called for a downward “transfer” of wealth from the top 1 percent to the middle class.

The longest serving independent in Congress fights to win left-leaning Democrats inclined to heed his fiery call to action. Nasser asked, Sanders accepted, and when the convocation schedule was announced Wednesday, the whole world (or at least the political press) asked, “Why?”

It’s obvious why Sanders would want to speak at Liberty: He’s running for president. Speaking to large and sometimes skeptical audiences is what presidential candidates do. And Sanders, who’ll be speaking from the most left-leaning end of the political spectrum, probably has more trouble reaching audiences like Liberty’s than almost anyone else.

“It is very easy for a candidate to speak to people who hold the same views,” Sanders said Wednesday in comments relayed by a spokesman. “It’s harder but important to reach out to others who look at the world differently.”


What’s less clear is why Liberty, a school that has made its name as a pilgrimage site for the country’s top conservatives, would offer him their soapbox. These convocations aren’t just any old school assembly — they’re mandatory for all students who live on campus. That means at least 8,000 of Liberty’s students, most of them impressionable freshmen and sophomores, will be required to spend half an hour listening to a man much of whose platform the school has explicitly and implicitly condemned.

The explanation is simpler than it seems. Like Sanders, the school has something to prove.

A cross on Candlers Mountain overlooks Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va., on April 21. (Steve Helber/Associated Press)
Liberty was founded in 1971 by the Rev. Jerry Falwell, a televangelist and icon of the religious right. Originally just a small Baptist seminary in the foothills of Lynchburg, Va., by 1984 it had become a fully accredited university, part of a religious empire that included Falwell’s Thomas Road Baptist megachurch, the Moral Majority lobbying group and the “Old Time Gospel Hour,” his syndicated radio and TV ministry.

“It’s our goal,” Falwell said of the school in 1985, “to be the Harvard of academics, the Notre Dame of athletics and the Brigham Young of religious schools to evangelical and fundamentalist girls and boys.”

The rules in the early days were restrictive. Interracial dating was briefly banned (by 1985 it was allowed, but the school would call both students’ parents to make sure they were all right with it), as were jeans, drugs and gatherings of members of the opposite sex in any unlit part of campus. Demonstrations weren’t allowed unless approved by the administration. Twice weekly attendance at Thomas Road Baptist Church services was absolutely mandatory. And every student and staff member was required to sign a statement agreeing to abide by the school’s doctrinal views, which covered topics both religious and political.

Those rules appealed to some students — “Christians are supposed to be different,” 18-year-old Michelle Brown, a freshman in 1985, told The Washington Post at the time — but they were often at odds with Falwell’s ambitions for expansion. In 1993, the school agreed to drop many of its most stringent religious requirements in order to keep receiving state tuition assistance grants.

And despite its intense conservatism, the school was unusually open to hearing opposing viewpoints. Falwell routinely invited Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) to speak on campus. Kennedy gave a famous speech on religious tolerance at a convocation more than 40 years ago.

IMG: Sen. Ted Kennedy (D-Mass.) gestures as he speaks at Liberty, this time in 1983, as the Rev. Jerry Falwell listens. (Steve Helber/Associated Press)

An even bigger transition happened after Falwell’s death in 2007.

By that point, the student body had grown to nearly 10,000, but the school was also $30 million in debt. Falwell’s son and successor as chancellor, Jerry Falwell Jr., had a revised vision: transforming Liberty from a relatively niche religious school into a mega-university. In less than 10 years, Falwell Jr. has made the school the largest private nonprofit university in the country, with $1.2 billion in reserves that rivals the endowments of many much older institutions. That influx of cash has been powered by the school’s more than 100,000 on-campus and online students — 10 times the enrollment of only a decade before.

[Liberty University, a hub of conservative politics, owes rapid growth to federal student loans]

But expansion, for many reasons, has required a slight easing of the rules. For one thing, there was only a limited number of 18-year-olds whose idea of a great college experience was one where no movies rated higher than G were shown (now they’re allowed to watch anything below R). The new tens of thousands of students who attend are no longer required to agree to Liberty’s doctrinal statement, though they are expected to commit to a Christian way of life.

“We’re not the Moral Majority anymore,” Falwell Jr. told The Post in 2013. “We’re not a church. Our mission is to educate.”

There are financial and legal reasons for inclusivity as well. Liberty’s nonprofit status and its accreditation depend on carefully managing its religious and political affiliations.


In the 1980s, the school’s biology program was initially denied accreditation because it included a course called “The History of Life,” which taught creationism. Eventually the class was moved to the humanities department, though students are still taught the biblical view alongside the science of evolution.

After the dust-up about College Democrats on campus in 2009, the watchdog group Americans United for Separation of Church and State filed a complaint with the Internal Revenue Service challenging the school’s status as a nonprofit.

“If the school insists on pushing policies that favor Republicans over Democrats, it should have to surrender its tax exemption,” executive director Barry W. Lynn argued.

Liberty responded by removing official recognition from its College Republicans as well, a move that won praise from Virginia’s Democratic governor at the time, Tim Kaine.

Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) announced his intention to run for president in the 2016 election during a speech at Liberty University in Lynchburg, Va. (AP)
The school unquestionably remains a hub of fervent religious and political conservatism. The student code of conduct is explicit about its goal of helping students become “more Christ-like.” It bans gambling, “horseplay” and attendance at a dance. Larger infractions — having an abortion, possession of alcohol, involvement with witchcraft and premarital sex, along with more traditional crimes such as assault and theft — are punishable by administrative withdrawal.

And Liberty has become a near-mandatory stop on the campaign route for conservative candidates. Of the 17 major candidates running for the Republican nomination, more than half have visited the school at some point. Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Tex.) announced his campaign at a convocation there in May.

But until this year, no major Democratic candidate has spoken at Liberty. President Obama, Vice President Joe Biden and former secretary of state Hillary Rodham Clinton have all been asked — another requirement for nonprofit status is that an invitation must be extended to all candidates for a political seat if one is invited — but each declined.

Which brings things back to Bernie Sanders.

Speaking to The Post by phone on Thursday, Falwell Jr. said that Liberty had decided to reach out to the senator last spring, even before Cruz came to the school to declare his candidacy. Sanders was selected specifically to dispel the notion that Liberty only invited conservative speakers.

“We’ve always believed that our convocation should be a forum for different views, a time to ask questions and learn,” Falwell said.

“A university is supposed to be a place where all ideas are discussed,” he continued. “That’s what we’re doing.”

Just as Sanders hopes to bolster his candidacy by speaking to an audience from way across the aisle, Liberty sought to affirm its legitimacy by inviting him. Having a Jewish quasi-socialist speak at the school is a way of fighting the perception that the school is just an echo chamber for conservative Christian politics.

And, Falwell Jr. said, other “liberal” schools could learn a thing or two from a purportedly closed, conservative campus like Liberty’s. When former secretary of state Condoleezza Rice was invited to speak at Rutgers University’s commencement last spring, students and faculty protested for weeks until she voluntarily backed out. Falwell says he’s seen no such response to the Sanders invite from Liberty’s own student body.

“You have to hear from people who believe something different from you,” he said, the only slightest hint of smugness in his voice. “That’s why you go to college.”
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Speaking of which.....
So, what you're saying is, Bernie Sanders is the grundle of the left?
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Statement from Trump, who got disinvited from the Red State forum because Trump said disparaging things about Megyn Kelly's performance as the debate moderator.



And yes, it does change fonts partway through.
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So, what you're saying is, Bernie Sanders is the grundle of the left?
I would say no.
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Fuck the RNC. Let's get another party. Hardcore Elite Republicans can chew on that for 2016. They can have Bloody Kelly.

I'm sick of this shit. If Trump leaves. I leave. And I hope a lot of other Conservative voters will too.

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I hope that Joe Biden decides to run for the presidency. He hasn't ruled it out.

Unlike Hillary - he does have some integrity.
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Unlike Hillary - he does have some integrity.
Also unlike Hilary, he's highly entertaining.
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Fuck the RNC. Let's get another party. Hardcore Elite Republicans can chew on that for 2016. They can have Bloody Kelly.

I'm sick of this shit. If Trump leaves. I leave. And I hope a lot of other Conservative voters will too.

What would that accomplish? You say get another part but when that party starts to show that they have no chance in hell of winning you will vote on the lesser of two evils. That's what happened with Gary Johnson and the Libertarian party.





Trump? BWAHAHAHAHA!
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Who do you support?

So, you're saying if you didn't agree with the party you belonged to...you'd just sit and wallow in the party, because, well, it's my party and I'll cry if I want to?

Sorry, I'm not like that. I want to be with like-minded folks on issues instead of wackdogs who want to overrule abortion--go so far as to call out the US Military on mothers, and on the other side, making deals with terrorist countries and allowing their terrorists to hop and skip across borders, violating international laws, and do nothing about it.

If Trump is too extreme on social issues, I'll tell him to take a hike as well.

It's not about winning. It's about being a part of something you can respect. And right now, I don't respect the RNC's chairman. He's a coward and a sub-mediocre man.
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I hope Rubio wins the GOP nomination.

Maybe he could win back some of the Latinos who were turned off by Trump plus he is not the same boring white guy the GOP usually puts out during an election.


The Republicans need new blood to reach minority voters.
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Who do you support?

So, you're saying if you didn't agree with the party you belonged to...you'd just sit and wallow in the party, because, well, it's my party and I'll cry if I want to?

Sorry, I'm not like that. I want to be with like-minded folks on issues instead of wackdogs who want to overrule abortion--go so far as to call out the US Military on mothers, and on the other side, making deals with terrorist countries and allowing their terrorists to hop and skip across borders, violating international laws, and do nothing about it.

If Trump is too extreme on social issues, I'll tell him to take a hike as well.

It's not about winning. It's about being a part of something you can respect. And right now, I don't respect the RNC's chairman. He's a coward and a sub-mediocre man.

I support the Democratic party. Granted, I'm liking Bernie Sanders more each day. If Sanders makes it to the end I'd vote for him. If not then I'll vote for the best of the Democratic candidates.
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I support the Democratic party. Granted, I'm liking Bernie Sanders more each day. If Sanders makes it to the end I'd vote for him. If not then I'll vote for the best of the Democratic candidates.
Well if you support Bernie, you can't be THAT bad of a person.
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Fuck the RNC. Let's get another party. Hardcore Elite Republicans can chew on that for 2016. They can have Bloody Kelly.

I'm sick of this shit. If Trump leaves. I leave. And I hope a lot of other Conservative voters will too.
I hope so too. Is there a kickstarter or something for this?
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Trump is the end result of views that the GOP has been putting forth (sometimes subtly, sometimes not so subtly) for years now. The chickens have come home to roost. Or, as one commenter on another site put it very succinctly, he is "the personification of Fox News."
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