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jfoobar 02-04-22 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JasonF (Post 14053357)
https://twitter.com/HamasakiLaw/stat...817928707?s=20

This was pursuant to a no-knock warrant. Mr. Locke was not named on the warrant, although of course the police initially described him as a suspect in reporting on the killing before they changed their story (i.e., got caught in the lie when the actual facts started to come out).

Might as well post this in the "unpopular opinion" thread, but I don't see anything wrong with how this went down at all from a procedural or legal standpoint. Minneapolis promised to limit the use of no-knock warrants after Breonna Taylor, et.al., and dramatically reducing their use, especially for drug cases, has indeed happened. However, this was a homicide investigation. No-knock warrants will continue to be common for homicide cases, at least in the 47 states that allow them. I'd also point out that police do not issue no-knock warrants. They ask for them (when consistent with departmental policy) and only get one when the A. prosecuting attorney handling the case concurs with the request and B. the magistrate judge agrees with the stated justification and issues one. And even when the officers have a no-knock warrant in hand, they are not prevented from executing knock and announce instead. It is often a tactical decision made just prior to the execution of the warrant.

The police entry was well-executed with multiple people yelling "POLICE SEARCH WARRANT" as well as one person yelling "HANDS! HANDS! HANDS!" at Locke before he was shot. In other words, they did everything right. Despite claims from his family that he, "didn't have time to react", he most certainly did. He reacted by grabbing a firearm. The officer's use of deadly force in that moment was completely justified. I can be fairly certain that if I had been that the officer's position in that moment, I would have shot him also.

Does this mean I blame Locke? No, no I don't. He undoubtedly was confused, having just been awoken suddenly by people yelling in his apartment. Maybe he truly did not think fast enough to compute "POLICE!" with "yeah, don't grab my gun and put my hands up" and he lost his life because of it. If that is the case, this is tragic. But "tragic" != "stormtrooper cops execute another black person".

People also keep pointing out that Locke was not the subject of the warrant. While that is true, it has no legal relevance in this case at all.

spainlinx0 02-04-22 02:41 PM

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I mean, we still don't know why a warrant was issued for his specific apartment, or if they even went to the right apartment. That hasn't been revealed. So isn't a little early to say there were proper procedures?

Draven 02-04-22 03:29 PM

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If cops entered a white person’s apartment and woke them from a dead sleep and shot a legal gun owner who had done nothing wrong 2 seconds after he starts to get up with his legal firearm, you can bet your ass the 2nd Amendment folks would be out in droves.

jfoobar 02-04-22 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by spainlinx0 (Post 14053470)
I mean, we still don't know why a warrant was issued for his specific apartment, or if they even went to the right apartment. That hasn't been revealed. So isn't a little early to say there were proper procedures?

To the point I am trying to make, it is actually irrelevant so long as the officer who pulled the trigger was acting in good faith. As this was a SWAT team that entered the apartment, it is highly unlikely that any of this initial entry team were affiants on the warrant or even historically involved in the investigation.

Edit: "on" replaced with "in".

jfoobar 02-04-22 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Draven (Post 14053507)
If cops entered a white person’s apartment and woke them from a dead sleep and shot a legal gun owner who had done nothing wrong 2 seconds after he starts to get up with his legal firearm, you can bet your ass the 2nd Amendment folks would be out in droves.

It absolutely has happened, numerous times in fact. The difference is that when it happens to a white person, it doesn't become a national news story unless the police actions are especially egregious. To illustrate my point, here are the numbers of people shot and killed by the police by race for the years 2017-2020:

2017
  • white: 457
  • black: 223
  • Hispanic: 179
  • other: 44
2018
  • white: 399
  • black: 209
  • Hispanic: 148
  • other: 36
2019
  • white: 370
  • black: 235
  • Hispanic: 158
  • other: 39
2020
  • white: 457
  • black: 241
  • Hispanic: 169
  • other: 28
As you can see, in three of the four years, police shot and killed just over or just under twice as many white people as black people. Yes, on a per capita basis, it is still significantly higher for African-Americans. Now go and dig up all the national news stories about police use of deadly force for those same years and compare the ratios.

There is obviously still a problem (although the causes of this problem go well beyond mere racism or even the often poisonous relationship between African-American communities and the police), but our perception of the problem is governed by a lot more than just facts and statistics.

jfoobar 02-04-22 05:19 PM

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This story pisses me off:

https://www.dailybulletin.com/2022/0...ein-bar-fails/

It is too long to post all of here, but basically an Ontario, CA police department employee (non-sworn) was accused of shoplifting a protein bar from a convenience store in 2018. She was never charged and no actual evidence of the theft was ever obtained. Yet, a police detective basically perjured herself in claiming that "clear" surveillance video showed the theft and the employee was fired by the city council. An independent arbitrator reviewed the evidence and found that the termination was without merit. The city council re-affirmed the termination regardless. Now, finally, a judge has reviewed the "evidence" and agrees with the arbitrator and has ordered the city council to reinstate her with back pay.

What an absolute clusterfuck. The city has also spent $133,800+ of taxpayer dollars to date defending their original bad decision.



Red Hood 02-19-22 04:12 PM

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Another gem of the police force


jfoobar 02-19-22 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Red Hood (Post 14062216)
Another gem of the police force

The whole thing is pretty messed up. Note that it was a Federal judge who originally gave him probation and he was only arrested on Federal charges 4 1/2 years after the incident. He was fired in 2014 and indicted at the state level but the charges were dropped.

Baron Of Hell 02-24-22 12:21 AM

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A cop and his teacher wife gave cupcakes with his sperm in it to her students. They also had child porn and raped children. This happen 3 years ago but they both were sent to prison a few days ago.
This is all bad.

Baron Of Hell 03-03-22 06:05 PM

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Cops arrest a 11 year old boy for beating up two kids and stealing their bike. Turns out it was his bike and beating was made up. I'm wondering what will happen to the white kids that lied about having their bike stolen. Were they trying to get a kid killed by cop?
Riding Bike while Black

Josh-da-man 03-03-22 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Baron Of Hell (Post 14068641)
Cops arrest a 11 year old boy for beating up two kids and stealing their bike. Turns out it was his bike and beating was made up. I'm wondering what will happen to the white kids that lied about having their bike stolen.

Featured guests at next year's CPAC?


Draven 03-03-22 07:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man (Post 14068663)
Featured guests at next year's CPAC?

Are they young enough to be Matt Gaetz’s interns?

slop101 04-04-22 10:48 AM

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This is kind of a big deal - you couldn't sue cops like this before this new SCOTUS ruling...



JasonF 04-04-22 11:42 AM

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That tweet is completely wrong, and the case was not about qualified immunity.

The issue in this case was what a civil rights plaintiff needs to prove if he sues the police for violating his Fourth Amendment rights. One of the things the plaintiff needs to prove is that his case was favorably resolved. Here, the plaintiff (Thompson) was arrested but the prosecutors declined to prosecute. The question was whether that counts as a favorable resolution, or would Thompson need to actually get a not guilty verdict. The Supreme Court said that was a favorable resolution, and Thompson can sue the police for arresting him.

This has nothing to do with qualified immunity. Qualified immunity basically allows cops to say "Maybe we violated the plaintiffs' civil rights, but there was no clearly established law saying the actions we took were a violation of civil rights, so we shouldn't be held liable." In fact, SCOTUS explicitly said that the cops in Thompson's case may still have a qualified immunity defense.

slop101 04-04-22 11:59 AM

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That's what I get for posting an un-verified twitter user!

JasonF 04-08-22 10:39 PM

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Santa Ana police officers blast Disney tunes at scene to avoid YouTube video recording


SANTA ANA, Calif. (KABC) -- A video posted on YouTube shows Santa Ana police officers waking up a neighborhood during an investigation Monday night as they blasted Disney music from one of their patrol vehicles to stop a YouTuber from recording on scene.

In the video, an officer said they were at a scene near West Civic Center Drive and North Western Avenue for a vehicle theft investigation.

The first song heard playing in the video is "You've Got a Friend in Me" from the Disney/Pixar film "Toy Story."


It was almost 11 p.m. when "We Don't Talk About Bruno," "Un Poco Loco," and other Disney hits filled the air. At one point, the YouTuber is heard telling officers to "have respect for the neighbors."

The music drags on, waking up people in their homes, including children and Councilmember Johnathan Hernandez.

"It was eerie, and it was discomforting because you don't hear Disney music being played that loud near 11 o'clock at night," Hernandez told Eyewitness News during a Zoom interview Wednesday.

Hernandez is seen in the video speaking with one of the officers.

"Why are you doing this?" Hernandez asked.

"Because they get copyright infringement," the officer replied.

The YouTuber is heard in the recording saying it's because "he knows I have a YouTube channel." That channel is called Santa Ana Audits.

On Wednesday, it had more than 3,500 subscribers and appeared to focus on recording SAPD officers on scene, a right protected by the First Amendment as long as there is no interference with police work.


Eyewitness News reached out to professor of music and copyright at Berklee Online Dr. E. Michael Harrington, who said the incident got into copyright law.

"I've been reading about it and seeing it on YouTube," Harrington said. He was talking about officers playing music without purchasing the rights to it, a tactic to discourage recording.

"I think it's clearly illegal because it is a public performance," Harrington said of the officers playing the music loud enough for the public to hear.

In addition, when the videos are shared, the person posting it risks fines or even getting banned from the streaming or social media platform.

"YouTube has bots that go around and they match the song they're hearing, and then if that's on YouTube and it wasn't cleared, then the music, the song recording and the copyright, they get taken down, and then the person [who] posted it, who is trying to be a good citizen to say, 'Watch what this cop did or cops, they should be prosecuted,' that person now gets a copyright strike for doing an act that's far more important than what the cops are doing," Harrington said.

An SAPD spokesperson told ABC7 Wednesday the incident is under investigation.

Chief of Police David Valentin issued a statement confirming the incident involved one of their officers. The statement from Valentin read, "My expectation is that all police department employees perform their duties with dignity and respect in the community we are hired to serve."

In the YouTube video, Hernandez tells the officer, "I'm embarrassed that this is how you're treating my neighbors. There's children here. Have some respect for my community."

The officer is heard replying, "I realize I made a mistake sir. I apologize."

The two shake hands in the video.

"You know what? People make mistakes all the time, but unfortunately, we can't afford to make these mistakes when we're public servants," Hernandez told Eyewitness News.

ABC7 reached out to others who witnessed the incident, but they didn't feel comfortable going on the record, saying they feared retaliation. People in the neighborhood said this wasn't the first time they've seen this happen.

Harrington said copyright fines can run anywhere from $750 to $150,000.

That's times two because both the writer and the owner of the recording can take legal action.
https://abc7.com/santa-ana-police-of...tion/11718827/

Disgusting behavior by police who want to avoid accountability.

Bronkster 04-08-22 11:34 PM

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Good thing the cops didn't play "It's a Small World"! That mighta caused a riot!

Nick Danger 04-29-22 01:14 PM

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Another police department has faulty lapel cameras that just keep stopping. This one is in Chavez County, NM.

1. A man who is strongly resisting is tased, cuffed, searched, and put in the back of the police vehicle.
2. The cameras on all three deputies fail simultaneously. What are the odds?
3. The man is resisting, in the back of the car, while the cops try to put him back in cuffs.
4. Another gap. Darn those cameras.
5. The man is in the driver's seat of the police vehicle. A deputy warns that he will shoot.
6. Two deputies shoot the man five times.
7. The man is cuffed and is being given CPR.
8. The man died.

https://abq.news/2022/04/video-incon...m_medium=email

Statements by the police are contradicted by the video. The deputies could be criminally charged. New Mexico is one of the few states that has eliminated police officers' immunity from prosecution.

Red Hood 05-01-22 06:09 AM

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Killing bystander because someone stole a pizza and Pokemon cards at Target. Who the fuck are police protecting?


Josh-da-man 05-01-22 08:25 AM

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Maybe they'll let the cop who shot the bystander join the Florida version of their secret executioner's club.

You know they have to have them down there, too...

Draven 05-14-22 09:59 PM

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*sigh* They just can’t stop lying.


ViewAskewbian 05-31-22 08:18 AM

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Unarmed pregnant woman shot 5 times by cops while fleeing suspected carjacking: reports

Missouri cops shot a woman five times as she tried to flee getting arrested for a suspected armed carjacking — even though she had shown that she was unarmed and told them that she was pregnant, according to a horrified witness.

“They shot her! Oh my God, they shot her!” a woman repeatedly cried out in footage she filmed in the aftermath of Friday night’s officer-involved shooting in Kansas City.

“What the f–k!” she gasped as she filmed the shot woman on the ground. “Oh my God, they shot her and they still putting her in handcuffs!”

Police confirmed to KCTV that Leonna Hale, 26, was shot by officers responding to reports of an armed carjacking at 8 p.m.

The male driver fled when cops pulled him over — and Hale was shot as she also tried to flee, Missouri State Highway Patrol, which is investigating the officer-involved shooting, told the outlet.

The police handcuffed her while she was bleeding out on the pavement.

However, the witness who filmed it wrote on Facebook that before turning to run, Hale had “put her hands up and was talking to them to show she didn’t have a weapon in her hand!!!”

The witness, who only gave the name Shédanja, also told The Kansas City Star that Hale had only refused to get on the ground because she told cops that she was pregnant.

“She was gonna cooperate, she got scared, she ran down there and they shot her … it ain’t right!” she exclaimed in her video at the scene.

“I remember seeing her hit the ground and I froze,” she said, adding her sons — aged one, 10 and 13 — were all traumatized from seeing it, too.

The Kansas City Police Department’s interim police chief, Joseph Mabin, told KCTV that his officers “never want to be in these type of situations.”

“This is a holiday weekend. It’s time for friends. Not a time for violence,” he told the outlet Friday.

fujishig 05-31-22 08:28 AM

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Didn't even have to click on the link to guess the race of the pregnant woman. Geez.

Josh-da-man 05-31-22 10:36 AM

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Yeah, they see that dark skin and just can't help themselves.

wendersfan 05-31-22 11:07 AM

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Again, I ask the question - if I'm a Black person living in a "Stand Your Ground" state, why can't I just indiscriminately shoot cops? Surely they would be the biggest threat to my safety...


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