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Rev. Jeremiah Wright criticizes Fox News

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Rev. Jeremiah Wright criticizes Fox News

http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/8...041208.article

On Saturday at a funeral the Rev. Wright said escalating into full-preaching mode, Wright thundered, “Fox News can’t understand that. [Bill] O’Reilly will never get that. Sean Hannity’s stupid fantasy will keep him forever stuck on stupid when it comes to comprehending how you can love a brother who does not believe what you believe. [Pincham’s] faith was a faith in a God who loved the whole world not just one country or one creed.”

At that point, congregants nearly drowned Wright out with a booming standing ovation.

Wright also referred to Fox News as “Fix News.”

It was Fox News that broke the story that led to Obama denouncing Rev. Wright.
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I love all the anger at Fox News. It means that Fox News is effective.
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The Dems had their debates on MSNBC and CNN and FOX NEWS is the one getting the stories and viewers. The Dems made a big mistake in not having at least one debate on FOX NEWS. I'm sure Monday THE FACTOR and HANNITY & COLMES will have a reply on Rev. Wright's comments.
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I assume the first option is what would infuriate you, so that's what I chose.
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I think Obama nailed it when he said Rev. Wright's opinion is from a different time than his. I don't really understand why people are making such a big deal about him.
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I think Obama nailed it when he said Rev. Wright's opinion is from a different time than his. I don't really understand why people are making such a big deal about him.
Because they don't want Senator Obama to be president, so they're seizing on anything and everything they can think of that might prevent that.

As for me -- "Some black people are angry about the way the white establishment has treated them in America" is right up there with "Water is wet" in terms of shocking and infuriating information as far as I'm concerned.
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"Some black people are angry about the way the white establishment has treated them in America"
And they cling to their silly little religion for comfort!
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And they cling to their silly little religion for comfort!
You'd better not let Senator Obama hear you calling religion silly. After all, he's a militant black separatist Christian. Or a secret Muslim. Or something.
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You'd better not let Senator Obama hear you calling religion silly. After all, he's a militant black separatist Christian. Or a secret Muslim. Or something.

Nah, he's just another politician who "misspeaks" whenever his lips move.

http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/...e-rhetori.html

ABC News: The Blotter
Despite Rhetoric, Obama Pushed Lobbyists' Interests

July 16, 2007 8:00 AM

Justin Rood Reports:

Despiterhetori_mn_2 Away from the bright lights and high-minded rhetoric of the campaign trail, Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., has quietly worked with corporate lobbyists to help pass breaks worth $12 million.

In his speeches, Obama has lambasted lobbyists and moneyed interests who "have turned our government into a game only they can afford to play."

"It's an entire culture in Washington -- some of it legal, some of it not," the Democratic hopeful told a New York crowd in June, rallying support for his ethics reform agenda.

But last year, at the request of a hired representative for an Australian-owned chemical corporation Nufarm, Obama introduced nine separate bills exempting the company from import fees on a range of chemical ingredients it uses in the manufacture of pesticides and herbicides. Nufarm's U.S. subsidiary is based in Illinois.

Nufarm wasn't the only beneficiary of Obama's efforts to reduce customs fees and duties. In early May of 2006, two Washington lobbyists registered to work on behalf of Astellas Pharma, a Japanese-owned drug company which also has offices in Illinois.

The lobbyists' task? "Introduce legislation to temporarily suspend customs duties for the importation of a pharmaceutical ingredient," they wrote on their lobbying forms. Less than three weeks later, the men had earned their $20,000 fee, thanks to Obama. On May 26, he introduced S. 3155, a bill specifically exempting Astellas' key ingredient from tariff payments. The bill cost the federal government more than $1 million in lost revenue, according to government estimates.

Together, Obama's obscure measures -- known as tariff suspensions -- steered more than $12 million away from federal coffers, according to government estimates.

A spokesman for the senator defended Obama's efforts on behalf of the two firms.

"Sen. Obama helped his constituents obtain foreign products necessary for their business at an affordable rate," said Ben LaBolt, noting that Obama made sure all the products "met strong environmental standards" before pushing to make it cheaper to import them.

While legal, Obama's bills on behalf of Nufarm and other companies are part of the special treatment machine Washington rolls out for special interests, say good-government watchdogs.

"If you have a company...there's a whole factory set up to help you get these suspensions," said Steve Ellis, president of the Washington, D.C.-based watchdog group Taxpayers for Common Sense. "It's a pay-to-play system you have to rev up and work." Hire the right lobbyist, pay the right fee, and you can save millions, he explained.

In Nufarm's case, Obama's staff met with a lawyer representing the company, Joel Junker, in person and on the phone several times, Junker told ABC News. Junker says he worked with Obama's staff to craft the nine bills and keep them moving forward.

"To the extent [the legislation] needs a little shepherding, you work with their staff, to be aware of the status, and work with the committee staff," he said, and spoke highly of Obama's staff. "Everything was very professional, very constituent-service oriented."

Unlike Astella's representatives, Junker did not register to lobby on behalf of Nufarm and did not disclose his fees. In an interview, Junker declined to say whether he believed his work could be considered "lobbying."

Obama's office said its staffers met once with Junker and once with the Astellas lobbyists, but it did not know how often the senator's staffers spoke with Junker or the Astellas lobbyists by phone. Astellas did not respond to a request for comment on this story. Nufarm Americas' marketing director, Tim Stoehr, confirmed his company had requested several tariff suspensions, including on products it "bought" from other Nufarm subsidiaries overseas.

A review of campaign finance records turned up no record of contributions from Nufarm to Obama. Astellas Pharma employees gave $1,100 to Obama's campaign in recent months, the documents show.

Junker defended tariff suspensions as good for American businesses. The high fees are charged to protect American manufacturers from being undercut by cheap imports, argued the former U.S. trade official. If no U.S. firm makes a particular item, the cost only hurts a company which needs to buy it overseas.

"It's nothing to be embarrassed, ashamed or suspicious of," he said.

In letters to Congress supporting Obama's measures, Junker justified the breaks for Nufarm to import a chemical known as 2,4 D and other ingredients by claiming they would "eliminate these unnecessary and avoidable...costs to [Nufarm's] consumers."

In a statement to ABC News defending the measures, Obama's spokesman echoed Junker's argument.
"Just like he fought for funding to ensure Chicago's transit system remains affordable and to invest in ethanol research, Senator Obama helped keep costs low for Illinois residents by helping them get the goods they need to do their jobs," Ben LaBolt wrote.

But the company's financial reports indicate that may not be the case. In a glowing financial report issued just two months after Obama introduced Nufarm's numerous tariff-lifting bills, Nufarm told its shareholders it was making more money than ever before in North America because it had increased its prices on its U.S. and Canadian customers, predominantly farmers.

Nufarm saw "strong revenue growth" in North America, it said in a July 31, 2006, company report. "Net profit was also up strongly," driven in part by "price rises on key products," it said. Nufarm trades on the Australian Stock Exchange.

When asked about the company's contrasting statements, Nufarm America's Stoehr told ABC News the financial report wasn't accurate.

"I don't know if I believe that," he said. "A lot of that is a little more hype." If the company had increased its prices, said Stoehr, it was only because its costs had "skyrocketed." "Our profit remained steady," said the executive.

In particular, "price rises on phenoxy herbicides," a family which includes 2,4 D, "improved the profitability of those products, despite no significant increase in sales volumes."

Economics aside, some medical researchers also harbor concerns over 2,4 D. Studies have purported to find a link between high exposure to the chemical and non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, a type of cancer. Defenders of the chemical say it is safe, and note that even scientists who believe a link exists cannot explain how the chemical may cause the cancer.

With a dozen tariff suspension bills to his name, Obama stands out as the most prolific of any Democratic presidential hopeful on the topic. Sen. Hillary Clinton, N.Y., has introduced none, although she has co-sponsored 19 that were introduced by Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y. Seven were to benefit the Honeywell Corporation, whose lobbyist has contributed $6,500 to Clinton since 2005. Sen. Joseph Biden, Del., has introduced none.

Only one other 2008 presidential hopeful has introduced more tariff suspension bills than Obama. Longshot GOP candidate Sen. Sam Brownback, Kan., introduced 30 such measures in the 109th Congress. Fellow dark horse candidate Rep. Tom Tancredo, R-Colo., introduced one in 2001; Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Rep. Duncan Hunter, R-Calif. have introduced none.

Some say the tariff suspension process isn't how Washington should operate.

"We all saw 'Schoolhouse Rock' and learned how Washington is supposed to work," Taxpayers for Common Sense president Steve Ellis told the Blotter on ABCNews.com. "There's no 'Schoolhouse Rock' episode on tariff suspensions."

In his speeches, Sen. Obama seems to agree.

"We need a president who sees government not as a tool to enrich well-connected friends and high-priced lobbyists, but as the defender of fairness and opportunity for every American," the candidate said in his June speech. "That's the kind of president I intend to be."
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Unless politics was part of the agenda at this particular funeral... I find it pretty distasteful that even in a setting like that, this man can't seem to tame his tongue.
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Unless politics was part of the agenda at this particular funeral... I find it pretty distasteful that even in a setting like that, this man can't seem to tame his tongue.
The Rev. knows his followers and he knew if he shows up they will cheer at whatever he says. And he has to blame someone for all the coverage he has gotten and he blames Fox News for reporting it since the other media are Obama supporters and they didn't start till it became a big story. And based on Obama's comments this past week it sure looks like the Rev. Wright did rub off on Obama these past 20 years. So no vote for Obama from me. Hillary yes.
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I assume the first option is what would infuriate you, so that's what I chose.
That's fair and I know how you feel because that's why I voted for Bush when I don't vote. Because of all the Hollywood liberal support for Kerry made me vote Republican to piss off the Hollywood liberals. But this year I will vote for Hillary, but I may vote Republican again just to piss you off.
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It's too bad this isn't a public poll. I'd like to know who the two people are who voted "Rev. Wright story changed my support for Obama".
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It's too bad this isn't a public poll. I'd like to know who the two people are who voted "Rev. Wright story changed my support for Obama".
I would be the 3rd.

I didn't really "support" Obama, it would be more accurate to state that I didn't hate him as much as the other 2 candidates.

I will NEVER vote for another Clinton.

I do not trust McCain, even though I am center-right.

I figured if I bothered to vote at all in this election it would be for Obama just to see what he might be able to do with the country.

However, after the "Wright" controversy broke - there is now no way I can vote for a guy whose preacher of 20+ years and the person who conducted the Obama's wedding ceremony incites hate-speech against the United States.

Sadly it looks like I will not be voting for anyone this year (unless it's McCain vs. Clinton, than I will be voting for McCain. But, McCain vs. Obama = no vote from me.)
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I do have to say that with Jeremiah "Garlic Nosed Italians" Wright as his spiritual mentor and the Reverends James "I blame the Hollywood Jooooos for Brokeback Mountain" Meeks and Eric "I blame the Hollywood Jooooos for negative sterotypes in film" Lee as spiritual advisers, I've got to say that Obama has quite the bigot trifecta going on.

*edit: It seems as though not only is thr Right Reverend James Meeks an anti-semitic bigot, he gets bonus points for homophobia...

http://blog.radioleft.com/blog/_arch...1/3613869.html

Barack Obama's buddy and spiritual adviser, James Meeks, runs Halloween Fright House depicting gays in Hell
by Radio Left on Mon 31 Mar 2008 10:03 PM CDT

Meeks sends kids to 'hell'
Christian fright house depicts abortion, gays
October 31, 2006

BY CATHLEEN FALSANI Religion Reporter
This Halloween, Chicago's Salem Baptist Church wants teenagers to go straight to "hell." Admission is $7 and passengers arrive at its gates on a yellow school bus.

Salem's "Nights of Terror" promises to "scare the hell out of teens" by guiding them on a half-hour tour through Hades -- or at least what passed for it in the don't-call-it-a-haunted-house set up in the church's administrative offices at 109th and Cottage Grove.

So-called hell houses have become popular over the last decade among some evangelical Christian churches that want to provide an alternative to traditional Halloween celebrations.

"YOU HAVE DIED AND GONE STRAIGHT TO HELL!" a tall man wearing a long, black, hooded cloak bellowed over a bullhorn Sunday night as the first busload of about 30 teens and a handful of parents were herded through dark corridors lined in black plastic.

The group moved from room to room, witnessing scenes depicting what the church says are the consequences of "bad decisions involving violence, sex and drugs."

In one scene, a girl was lying on a gurney where a masked man in surgical scrubs pretended to perform an abortion. A toilet was sitting nearby apparently to collect the aborted fetus.

'I thought it was very scary'

A fenced-in cell housed a few denizens of "hell," including a pedophile trolling the Internet for a young victim, a meditating Buddhist, and two mincing young men wearing body glitter who were supposed to be homosexuals.

"The jail scene were people who had recently come to hell and they were trying to explain why they didn't need to be there," said the Rev. Willie Comer, Salem's youth pastor, who also plays the role of Satan. This is the third time the church has put on the "Nights of Terror," which began Sunday and ends today at 10 p.m.

Comer knows some of the parts of Salem's "hell" will be controversial but says he and Salem's senior pastor, the Rev. James Meeks, who could not be reached for comment, are confident they can back up their vision of hell with Scripture.

"I welcome the pressures because then we can put God's agenda on the forefront and actually have a dialogue about it," Comer said.

The tour of "hell" ended in "heaven," where a white-robed angel asked the group to invite Jesus into their hearts to avoid spending eternity in hell.

As she skittishly made her way through the hell house, Sydney Foulks, 11, had a vice grip on her father's hand. "I thought it was very scary and I know I'm never sleeping with nobody until I get married," Sydney said as she exited.

"I thought it was phenomenal," said her father, Kevin Foulks. "This gives you a glimpse of what you're going to do forever if you don't confess your sins and give your life to Christ."
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I think Obama nailed it when he said Rev. Wright's opinion is from a different time than his. I don't really understand why people are making such a big deal about him.
I for one don't trust anyone who hangs out with loony religious types once a week, no matter how much he says, "Well, I don't agree with everything they say." I refused to vote for Bush on the same grounds.
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I love all the anger at Fox News. It means that Fox News is effective.
Just like all the anger at Bush. He must be effective, too.

For those who don't like Obama anymore, well, whatever. There's no way to avoid racism. Whites do it, only they have rather unique behavior of doing it behind your back and you never know it. The Rev. seems to be at least honest with himself. In my book, that goes much farther than a white boy preaching he's for the black man but is secretly doing something else, and even hurting his own people in the process.

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God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme.
Can't really argue with that. The US does act like it is supreme, and its way is the only way.

I still support Obama. We need something different in our government. Obama may be just like everyone else, but at least I can say I was willing to step up and give him a try.

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Just like all the anger at Bush. He must be effective, too.
Hence the term Bush Derangement Syndrome. There was a thread here in which people with BDS were seriously making an arguement that Bush is stupid. Not that they think his policies are stupid, but he himself is stupid.

I think Rev. Kill Whitey's anger is misplaced. It would be different if Fox News snuck into one of his sermons and videotaped his comments but they just bought a DVD with the Rev. Whitey sells at his church.
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I think Obama nailed it when he said Rev. Wright's opinion is from a different time than his. I don't really understand why people are making such a big deal about him.
First Obambi said he'd never heard Rev. Whitey say those things in the 20+ years he attended that church. Then, when that didn't seem plausible to the people not dazzled already, he changed and said he may have heard some of it but didn't agree with it.
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I think Rev. Kill Whitey's anger is misplaced. It would be different if Fox News snuck into one of his sermons and videotaped his comments but they just bought a DVD with the Rev. Whitey sells at his church.
I think you mean "They bought a DVD that the Reverend sells at his church and then edited a long sermon down to a 10-second sound bite."

First Obambi said he'd never heard Rev. Whitey say those things in the 20+ years he attended that church. Then, when that didn't seem plausible to the people not dazzled already, he changed and said he may have heard some of it but didn't agree with it.
Senator Obama never said he had never heard anything controversial from Reverend Wright. He said he had not been in church and had not heard the specific comments that touched off this "controversy."
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I for one don't trust anyone who hangs out with loony religious types once a week, no matter how much he says, "Well, I don't agree with everything they say." I refused to vote for Bush on the same grounds.
Every politician hangs out with loony religious types. There's not much choice unless there is an agnostic or an atheist up for election. Pretty much all high-level politicians in this country are religious, as people don't trust people without the religion.

My definition of loony religious types is probably a lot broader than yours, though
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This was part of a funeral? Wasn't there a Christening or a 3 year olds birthday?

I'm not an Obama hater, so much as I am a hater of all the choices we have this time. But I can see his ship is taking on some water. His tax plan is a hell of a lot scarier to me than anything else. I might be leaning towards Hillary (on the dem side), but that seems so very wrong.

I will likely "waste" my vote on Rupaul.

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