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ChiTownAbs, Inc 03-25-07 05:07 PM

Citizenship and US Presidency
 
I know you have to be a US citizen by birth to become the president of the US. What if you were born in a territory that became a US state AFTER your birth?

The reason I ask this is that I was reading a long piece in the Chicago Tribune about Obama's early years and it said he was born in Hawaii 2 years after it became a state. Obviously, he is eligible for the presidency, but what if it was somebody born 3 years earlier?

DVD Polizei 03-25-07 05:13 PM

Interesting question.

OldDude 03-25-07 05:15 PM

I'm no expert, but you are a US citizen if born in a US Territory, no requirement that it be a State. I'm pretty sure a person born in a Territory would be eligible.

Dr. Henry Jones, Jr. 03-25-07 05:19 PM


Originally Posted by ChiTownAbs, Inc
I know you have to be a US citizen by birth to become the president of the US. What if you were born in a territory that became a US state AFTER your birth?

The reason I ask this is that I was reading a long piece in the Chicago Tribune about Obama's early years and it said he was born in Hawaii 2 years after it became a state. Obviously, he is eligible for the presidency, but what if it was somebody born 3 years earlier?

Hawaii became a US territory in 1898, and anyone who was born there during that time is a US citizen.

OldDude 03-25-07 05:26 PM

Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona Territory in 1909 before it became a State, and was the Republican Presidential candidate in 1964. While he lost, I'm sure his eligibility was considered and he was eligible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Goldwater

WCChiCubsFan 03-25-07 05:35 PM

Since his mother is a US citizen it wouldn’t have matter if he was born in another country. He is a US citizen by virtue of his mother’s citizenship

ChiTownAbs, Inc 03-25-07 06:01 PM

Actually, I found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen


There is currently debate concerning the definition of "natural born citizen." The main focus of this debate is whether or not children born to Americans overseas be considered eligible for the Presidency. Several main candidates have sought the office who were born outside the United States (e.g., George Romney was born in Mexico to U.S. parents, Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona while it was still a U.S. territory, and John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone to U.S. parents). Barry Goldwater's case among these three is unique in that although he was born outside the United States, Arizona was later admitted as a state. None of these candidates was elected, so the issue was never fully addressed.
Hmmm... I guess it's never been tested.

Th0r S1mpson 03-25-07 06:11 PM

I'm pretty sure someone will have to be born in Iraq sometime after 2007 if they want to run for US President.

OldDude 03-25-07 06:20 PM

ANd here is a Washington Post article that cites a 1790 law on the matter that seems decisive (of course, that's probably because I'm not a lawyer, and think laws mean what they say)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv...nkie070998.htm
[snipped quote]

Some might define the term "natural-born citizen" as one who was born on United States soil. But the First Congress, on March 26, 1790, approved an act that declared, "The children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond sea, or outside the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural-born citizens of the United States." That would seem to include McCain, whose parents were both citizens and whose father was a Navy officer stationed at the U.S. naval base in Panama at the time of John's birth in 1936.


Jason 03-25-07 06:29 PM

Well, no matter how you slice it, Arnold doesn't qualify.

rw2516 03-25-07 06:47 PM

What are the other requirements? I remember something about minimum age of 35 and four year college degree.

Rockmjd23 03-25-07 06:50 PM

Just 35 years old, natural born citizen, and resident for 14 years.

nemein 03-25-07 06:54 PM


Originally Posted by US Constitution
No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.

Not sure where you got the college thing from... I mean I doubt anyone could get elected these days that didn't have one, but it's not an official requirement.

Rockmjd23 03-25-07 06:57 PM

Quite a few presidents had no college degree.

classicman2 03-25-07 07:17 PM

Harry Truman couldn't have been president if a 4-year college degree was a requirement.

Dr. Henry Jones, Jr. 03-25-07 08:03 PM


Originally Posted by Jason
Well, no matter how you slice it, Arnold doesn't qualify.

Not until the 61st amendment allows it

Giantrobo 03-26-07 08:25 AM

ChiTown's running for Prez!!!

Venusian 03-26-07 06:21 PM

Age discriminating constitution

classicman2 03-26-07 07:10 PM

There's no upper limit on age.

Why is it age discrimination?

Be careful of making that argument.

Venusian 03-26-07 07:28 PM

there is a lower age limit old man :p

classicman2 03-26-07 07:40 PM

5-year olds can't vote. Is that age discrimination?

Venusian 03-26-07 07:45 PM

Depends who you ask.

Allowing an 18 year old to be drafted but not allowing him to run for the offices that decide on the draft does not seem like it lines up with the ideals of democracy

Ranger 03-26-07 07:46 PM

If c-man had his way, people could legally gamble only after they became 35 y/o.

mikehunt 03-26-07 08:37 PM


Originally Posted by Venusian
Depends who you ask.

Allowing an 18 year old to be drafted but not allowing him to run for the offices that decide on the draft does not seem like it lines up with the ideals of democracy

for one, we're not a true democracy
two, 18 year olds are way too immature to be president

OldDude 03-26-07 08:42 PM

And three, currently there is no draft. Don't overlook that.
(and the strawman burns to the ground)


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