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Old 11-29-05, 05:52 PM
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Let's legislate morality, and sex is bad.

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/1....dqn74ka0.html

Hillary Clinton targets new rise in video game violence
Nov 29 5:37 PM US/Eastern
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Backed by gruesome shots of computerised cannibalism, police beatings and violence, campaigners warned parents that their children were increasingly at risk from "sadistic" video games.

Senator Hillary Clinton and former vice presidential nominee Joseph Lieberman meanwhile launched new legislation intended to protect kids from graphic, violent and sexual material on their game consoles.

The National Institute on Media and the Family said in its annual report that video game retailors had failed to honor promises to safeguard children from violent and sexual content in new generation video games.

"There has been significant industry progress and reforms over the last decade, but ever more violent and sadistic games are still ending up in the hands of children," said the institute's president David Walsh.

Walsh called gave the video game industry a grade of "D+" over the last decade as regards protecting children, and called on retailers to embrace an independent ratings system for games.

"Retailers would rather appear as if they care about children instead of actually small steps to protect them," said Walsh.

Walsh concluded his presentation by showing video footage of games featuring police shootings, violence, graphic language and even cannibalism.

The Entertainment Software Ratings Board (ESRB), an industry self regulatory body was not working, Walsh said, and warned that boys as young as nine-years-old were often able to buy 'M' or mature rated video games.

Clinton sprung into action after a controversy earlier this year involving the latest edition of the "Grand Theft Auto" game which could be modified to include graphic sex with a modification called "Hot Coffee" available on the Internet.

"I have developed legislation that will empower parents by making sure their kids cant walk into a store and buy a video game that has graphic, violent and pornographic content," said Clinton, a possible 2008 presidential candidate.

"Today's report is yet further proof that we need to make sure parents have the tools and support they need to make informed decisions for their children."

The legislation would make it a crime for any business to sell or rent a Mature, Adults Only or Ratings pending game to anyone younger than seventeen.


On Monday, the gaming industry said Sony's next-generation PlayStation 3 would join the new Microsoft Xbox 360 in giving parents tools to limit access to computer games deemed too risque or violent.

Man, it seems like the Democrats always talk about being tired of Washington legislating morality (see Bill Clinton accepting the party nomination) yet it was the Gore family that saved us from bad words in music, and now Hillary is coming to save us from violence and (GASP!) sex in video games.

Where do you liberals get the idea that we should have to live by your morals? Why are you guys so offended by sex?


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Old 11-29-05, 05:56 PM
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Like our money, i'm sure she wants to take it away "for the common good" Hillary's law.. and people are afraid of Bush?
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Well, I didn't vote for her in 2000, and I'm not voting for her in 2006.
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I'm not so much trolling as I am pointing out a hypocracy that seems to exist.
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Old 11-29-05, 07:01 PM
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Not sure I understand what the problem of this is... it's not censorship, it's enforcing age requirements.
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Liberals voted these people into office.
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Liberals voted these people into office.
And conservatives voted in Bush & Cheney, and thus, people like Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Your point is...?
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I want to see some polls on where liberals and conservatives stand on regulating (if not banning) stores that sell sex toys.
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His point is that the Libertarian Party is not responsible for any current legislation, Conservative or Liberal.
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Well, I didn't vote for her in 2000, and I'm not voting for her in 2006.
me neither
too bad the repubs ran a loser then and look to be running a loser again
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His point is that the Libertarian Party is not responsible for any current legislation, Conservative or Liberal.
Well, when you can't even get elected dog catcher, you can't write legislation.
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me neither
too bad the repubs ran a loser then and look to be running a loser again
Well, the winner they ran did get cancer at the last minute
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
Let's legislate morality, and sex is bad.
Agreed.
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If sex is bad, you're doing it wrong.
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And conservatives voted in Bush & Cheney, and thus, people like Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz. Your point is...?
My point is that liberals are against free speech.
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Hmmmm, I thought it was odd that liberals tend to speak out against legislating morality and take the position that we are too hung up on sex when compared to violence and here we have liberals doing just that.

Apparently I am one of the few to find that ironic.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
Hmmmm, I thought it was odd that liberals tend to speak out against legislating morality and take the position that we are too hung up on sex when compared to violence and here we have liberals doing just that.

Apparently I am one of the few to find that ironic.
I think you're right, kvrdave to point this out.

Frankly Hillary's anti-violent videogames noise is IMO is a lame attempt to appeal to the center. As I've expressed on videogaming boards, I think that politicians look at the voting demographics and figure, "Hey, young males 18-30 don't vote very much anyway, there's something family-friendly we can do".

One of the problems with the Dem party IMO is their lack of spine in standing up for social freedoms. I fear what the Libertarians might do with their excessive deregulation of the economy theories, but at least they have a spine when it comes to personal freedoms.

I disliked Lieberman for it, and I dislike Clinton for it as well. Like someone over at cheapassgamer pointed out, if they are so concerned about the youth getting violent/sexual material, they'd better implement laws to do the same thing for books, comic books, unrated DVDs, etc.
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Not sure I understand what the problem of this is... it's not censorship, it's enforcing age requirements.
Slight nuance here. It not enforcing age requirements, it's creating age requirements. The video game industry is currently self regulating. This would be an attempt to introduce government regulation of video games by making it a crime to sell to a minor.
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Originally Posted by GreenMonkey
One of the problems with the Dem party IMO is their lack of spine in standing up for social freedoms. I fear what the Libertarians might do with their excessive deregulation of the economy theories, but at least they have a spine when it comes to personal freedoms.


Thank you.

Much like the Dems lack a spine when it comes to protecting personal freedoms (outside of abortion), the GOP lack a spine when it comes to protecting economic freedoms (outside of lowering taxes a smidge now and then).
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Originally Posted by GFM
Slight nuance here. It not enforcing age requirements, it's creating age requirements. The video game industry is currently self regulating. This would be an attempt to introduce government regulation of video games by making it a crime to sell to a minor.
I don't see what the big deal is. Yes, the video game industry is self regulating, but many of the stores that sell the games ignore the ratings. So if the only way to get the stores to stop selling M rated games to little kids is to make it a crime, I don't have a problem with that.
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I don't consider this legislating morality. More "protecting children". I don't think they should be exposed to violence OR sex at a young age, and I am fine with some games being rated as mature and not selling them to minors. But I agree that this is just noise, since we already have these fucking rules in place! Retailers can already be fined for selling M rated games to minors. When I worked at TRU, we always had to ask for ID if the kid looked too young to buy an M rated game. Shit, the cash register gave us a little reminder screen every time we rang up an M game. Don't spend money coming up with new policies, enforce the ones we already have.
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Originally Posted by grundle
My point is that liberals are against free speech.
That is a bullshit blanket statement.
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Come on, Dave, the Democratic party is full of hypocrisy (as is the Republican party) - surely you could have found a better example.
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