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Old 11-18-04, 11:18 AM
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And you keep deluding yourself by saying it was all about sex.

After awhile, you might even come to believe that nonsense.
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Anyone have pics? I am interested in how the Champaign Room turned out.
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Originally posted by classicman2
And you keep deluding yourself by saying it was all about sex.

After awhile, you might even come to believe that nonsense.
It wasn't all about sex (and the part that was about sex wasn't all about sex with Lewinsky), but sex was a big part of it.
Old 11-18-04, 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by classicman2
Question: The Clinton was totally privately funded?

If so, it's the first one.

It's more than double the cost of Bush 1's library.
Guess who donated $450,000?
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The talking heads are now discussing what will be the legacy of Bill Clinton.

IMO, he will be remembered as the luckiest president ever

He was not beset with any economic downturns.

Basically, a peaceful 8 years in office.

I believe his legacy should be - he squandered the chance(s) to really tackle some of the major problems facing the country - Social Security & Medicare readily come to mind.

Now it's left to folks who don't really believe in the social welfare safety net in the first place to fix. I truly fear the fix that they may come up with.
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Originally posted by JasonF
It wasn't all about sex (and the part that was about sex wasn't all about sex with Lewinsky), but sex was a big part of it.
Not as much as his lying under oath was. Of course, that's not nearly as funny or headline making as a beret wearing fatty gobbling cock like it was Ben and Jerry's.
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Originally posted by kvrdave
Anyone have pics? I am interested in how the Champaign Room turned out.


5/5
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Originally posted by JasonF


But the impeachment wasn't about the blow job. Keep telling yourselves that.
thats because someone sticking a cigar up someone hoop-a-joop is funnier than someone telling lies.
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Originally posted by classicman2
I believe his legacy should be - he squandered the chance(s) to really tackle some of the major problems facing the country - Social Security & Medicare readily come to mind.
To mix metaphors, Clinto shot himself in the foot right out of the starting gate with the combination of the 'gays in the military' directive and putting Hilary in charge of the health care initiative. He also invested too much of his political capital on the health care proposal. This combination of things caused Clinton to change his <i>modus operandi</i> to such that he was essentially 'Manager-in-Chief' for the remainder of his presidency.

It never fails to amaze me how little power to make real, longlasting changes the CiC has, and how little most people grasp this. (BTW, this wasn't a slam at you, c-man - you understand this as well as any poster here).
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The final tab for the library is $165 million. We don't know where a large chunk of it came from because the president is not required to disclose that information.

Here's a Washington Post editorial on the unseemly process.

According to the article they are built on public property and run by the National archives, but built and endowed by private (and secret) donations.
Old 11-18-04, 01:02 PM
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It never fails to amaze me how little power to make real, longlasting changes the CiC has, and how little most people grasp this. (BTW, this wasn't a slam at you, c-man - you understand this as well as any poster here).
Ah, but Clinton made deals with the Republican leadership - who kept their end of the deal, btw, but Clinton reneged on the deal - Medicare is a prime example (The Breaux Commission). I blame the Repubs for everything, but I don't blame them for this. The blame lies directly at the feet of William Jefferson Clinton.
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we can't call him Bubba anymore
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I was able to watch a little CNN over lunch and they said more than 30,000 people were there for the dedication. Did I hear that correctly?

I remember seeing drawing and models for the library a year or two ago and it looked like it would be a pretty sweet building.
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50,000 were expected. The weather held down the crowd.
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How was the 18-25 year old turnout?
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How was the 18-25 year old turnout?
less than 20% - as usual.
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How was the 18-25 year old turnout?
moist
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Originally posted by weargle
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There's a couple ways to take that.
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Originally posted by JasonF
By the way, I did a quick tally:

Jokes in this thread about Clinton's sex life: 6
Jokes in this thread about Clinton lying under oath: 1 (bhk's ever so charming play on the title of Clinton's memoirs, and bhk, don't you ever let anyone tell you that joke is getting old!)

But the impeachment wasn't about the blow job. Keep telling yourselves that.

hey, someone had to make a sex joke! It wasn't joke of the year or anything, but still......
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Clinton Presidential Center
Old 11-18-04, 02:57 PM
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(bhk's ever so charming play on the title of Clinton's memoirs, and bhk, don't you ever let anyone tell you that joke is getting old!)
Have no worries about that.

Oh, and the Saudi Royal Family contributed funds to build this(and nearly every recent) presidential library.
Do you think we'll see a "documentary" on the unseemly ties of the Clintons to the Saudi Royal Family?
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wft??? It looks like some sort of terminal connector to an airplane.

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Actually I'm sure Freud would have a couple of choice things to say about the design

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Actually I'm sure Freud would have a couple of choice things to say about the design
It isn't bent.

Sometimes a cigar is just a sex toy.
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oops.....

http://www.nysun.com/article/5137

Saudis, Arabs Funneled Millions to President Clinton's Library

LITTLE ROCK, ARK. - President Clinton's new $165 million library here was funded in part by gifts of $1 million or more each from the Saudi royal family and three Saudi businessmen.

The governments of Dubai, Kuwait, and Qatar and the deputy prime minister of Lebanon all also appear to have donated $1 million or more for the archive and museum that opened last week.

Democrats spent much of the presidential campaign this year accusing President Bush of improperly close ties to Saudi Arabia. The case was made in Michael Moore's film "Fahrenheit 9/11," in a bestselling book by Craig Unger titled "House of Bush, House of Saud," and by the Democratic presidential candidate, Senator Kerry."This administration delayed pressuring the Saudis," Mr. Kerry said on October 20. "I will insist that the Saudis crack down on charities that funnel funds to terrorists... and on anti-American and anti-Israel hate speech."The Media Fund, a Democratic group whose president is a former Clinton White House aide, Harold Ickes, spent millions airing television commercials in swing states with scripts such as, "The Saudi royal family...wealthy...powerful...corrupt. And close Bush family friends."

Perhaps as a result, the Saudi donations to the Clinton library are raising some eyebrows. Mr. Unger said he suspects that the Saudi support may have something to do with a possible presidential bid by Senator Clinton in 2008.

"They want to keep their options open no matter who's in power and whether that's four years from now or whatever," the author said. "Just a few million is nothing to them to keep their options open."

The chief financial officer for the William J. Clinton Presidential Foundation, Andrew Kessel, said that the vast majority of the roughly 113,000 donors to the foundation are ordinary Americans who made small gifts.

"We have 91,000 who gave $100 or less," he said in an interview Friday. "It's not all Saudi princes."

Information about the donors is available to the public on a single touch-screen computer mounted on a wall on the third floor of the recently opened library. Eventually, most who have contributed $100,000 or more will be listed on a wall in the museum's lobby, Mr. Kessel said.

However, some donors have asked that their names not be released. "We don't have many," Mr. Kessel said, adding, "It doesn't involve anyone controversial."

The computer lists donors by categories that correspond to the size of the gift. But there are no dollar figures provided for each of the funding levels.

Asked why the donor categories were not publicly defined, Mr. Kessel said,"It was a decision we made.We really don't need to at this point."

As a charitable organization, the Clinton Foundation is not required to make the names of its donors or the amounts of their gifts public. However, some of the other foundations that contributed to the library have disclosed their gifts on financial reports that are available from the Internal Revenue Service. By comparing those reports with the donor categories on the third-floor computer screen in the library, The New York Sun was able to match donor categories with approximate dollar amounts.

The highest tier,"Trustees," includes donations from 57 individuals, couples, or other entities. IRS reports reviewed by the Sun show that the foundations at this level have generally given or pledged $1 million or more. The Wasserman Foundation of Los Angeles, founded by movie mogul Lew Wasserman, gave the Clinton library $3 million. The Roy and Christine Sturgis Charitable Trust pledged $4 million. The Anheuser-Busch Foundation has given $200,000 annually for the last several years as part of what appears to be a $1 million pledge.The Annenberg Foundation also gave $1 million.

The Saudi royal family and the governments of Dubai, Kuwait, and Qatar donated at this "Trustee" level, as did the governments of Brunei and Taiwan. Also listed as trustees are three Saudi businessmen - Abdullah Al-Dabbagh, Nasser Al-Rashid, and Walid Juffali.

Other notables at the "Trustee" level include the deputy prime minister of Lebanon, Issam Fares; Hollywood director Steven Spielberg and his wife, actress Kate Capshaw, and an heir to the Wal-Mart fortune, Alice Walton.

The next tier down is labeled "Philanthropists." A major New York labor organization, Local 1199 of the Service Employees International Union, donated at this level, which appears to correspond to gifts of $500,000 to $1 million. Also donating in this range was the editor of the Las Vegas Sun, Brian Greenspun, who was one of Mr. Clinton's roommates at Yale.

On the level below that are the "Humanitarians." Based on benchmarks available from other sources, the "Humanitarians" seem to have given between $100,000 and $500,000. In their ranks are the King of Morocco, Mohammed VI, as well as a Pakistani-American businessman from California, Farooq Bajwa. Several perennial Clinton donors are on this list, such as the Big Apple Supermarkets chief, John Catsimatidis, and a San Diego class action lawyer, William Lerach. The U.S.-Islamic World Conference gave at the Humanitarian level, as did several Jewish groups, the Jewish Communal Fund, the Jewish Community Foundation, and the University of Judaism, according to the information available on the computer screen in the Clinton Library here.

The most controversial known donation to Mr. Clinton's library is also recorded at this level: a gift from a Manhattan socialite and singer, Denise Rich. Ms. Rich gave the foundation $450,000 while her fugitive ex-husband, Marc Rich, was seeking a pardon on tax-evasion and racketeering charges. Mr. Clinton granted the pardon hours before he left office, triggering a federal criminal investigation, as well as congressional inquiries.

As a result of that flap, a House committee voted in 2001 to require public disclosure of all large donations to presidential libraries. But the legislation stalled.

Another confounding aspect of the donor list available at the Clinton library is that, in nearly every case, it lacks any information beyond the name of the individual or company who gave. There are no hometowns or addresses for the donors and only in rare instances is there mention of an employer. Campaign finance records generally include this data.

Many of the numerous $100 gifts were for the inscribed bricks, or "pavers," that surround fountains just in front of the building.The same computer that lists the major donors also shows the minor ones where to find their paver. As a result, lines at the sole terminal are sometimes long.

President George H.W. Bush's library, which opened in 1997 in College Station,Texas, also received significant financial support from overseas. The governments of Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and Japan each gave $1 million or more, while the People's Republic of China donated between $50,000 and $100,000.

The Chinese communist government may also have chipped in for Mr. Clinton's library. The Chinese Overseas Real Estate Development company gave at the $100,000 or higher level. So did the National Opera of Paris.

Fund-raising for the Clinton Library began in 1999, while Mr. Clinton was still in office. However, the fund-raising team reportedly refrained from soliciting gifts from foreigners or foreign governments until Mr. Clinton left the White House in January 2001. Aides to the former president said the donations support not only the library complex, but also the foundation's other work, such as distributing AIDS drugs abroad and shoring up small businesses in Harlem.

Mr. Unger, who wrote "House of Bush, House of Saud," said he thinks the gifts to Mr. Clinton's library pale in comparison to business deals that Mr. Bush's family has done with the Saudis. The author said the gifts to ex-presidents are designed to encourage a pro-Saudi attitude on the part of present or future occupants of the White House. "It would be surprising if they didn't give," Mr. Unger said."The Saudis have given to every presidential library for the last 30 years, Republican and Democrat."

A Washington Post editorial on Thursday decried the lack of disclosure of the Clinton Library's funders, calling it "outrageous." Said the editorial,"the presidential libraries, though built and endowed with private funds, are public property, run by the National Archives. The public has a right to know who's underwriting them."

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