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Old 11-08-04, 09:59 AM
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Bay Area Residents Not So Tolerant of Other States

Talk about ridicoulness! Boycott Idaho! Boycott Indiana! Move to France.

What bunch of crybabiies!

San Francisco in No Mood for Tolerance After Bush Win


SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - The summer of love has given way to the autumn of fear in San Francisco, a liberal stronghold where residents bitterly disappointed by the Bush victory are in no mood to reach out and mend divisions.

Rather, they are waving "United States of Canada" maps, redrawn to show Canada extending down to include California, New England and the other so-called "blue states" that voted decisively for Massachusetts Democratic Sen. John Kerry (news - web sites) in the U.S. presidential race.

Some are canceling plans to travel to neighboring "red states," where Bush drew most of his support. They are asking serious questions about the future of American democracy. And the usual post-election bravado about moving out of the country when a favored candidate loses is sounding different this year. It sounds a lot more serious.

"I'm going in on Monday and getting a new passport," said an electronics technician and volunteer at the Green Festival environmental conference who requested anonymity.

"I'm not leaving yet, but I'm getting prepared," he said. "I can imagine that this country is going to get a lot worse before it gets better."

Rep. Dennis Kucinich (news - web sites), a Democrat who competed with

Kerry for his party's presidential nomination before backing the senator, urged the crowd at the festival to remain hopeful and connect with the other concerned citizens.

But the questions Kucinich fielded were anything but hopeful.

"Why should we believe we will ever have another fair election in this country?" asked one woman.

After the well-publicized electoral chaos in Florida in 2000, the United States invited international observers to monitor the Nov. 2 election. Despite widespread allegations of electoral fraud before last week's vote, they were unable to substantiate the claims.

The woman's frustration was echoed throughout San Francisco, arguably the most liberal city in one of the most Democratic states in the country. On Tuesday, 83.3 percent of voters in San Francisco County cast their ballots for Kerry, compared with 62.8 percent in Los Angeles County and 54.7 percent statewide.

STAYING OUT OF RED STATES

Peace and tolerance have long been the words to live by in San Francisco, known for its large gay community, broad ethnic mix and frequent anti-war protests. But days after the election, many residents said they were so worried about an erosion of civil rights, environmental standards and the escalating violence in the Middle East, that they did not know how they could tolerate the Bush administration, or Americans who voted to re-elect him.

"I have family in Idaho, but I told my wife we're not going to visit them now. It's all Republicans there," said Ron Schmidt, a public relations executive. "We have family in Indiana and I don't want to go there either."

It was not the reaction George W. Bush must have been hoping for when he made his acceptance speech on Wednesday and told Kerry supporters: "I will need your support and I will work to earn it."

Schmidt said: "The ideologies of the two parties are too different. I don't see how healing can take place. I feel like the disenfranchised minority now, and that's a funny thing for a tall, good-looking white guy like me to say."

Schmidt's friend, magazine editor Joseph Connelly, said one of his columnists who had moved temporarily to Paris six months ago decided Wednesday she would settle there permanently.

"She was hoping she would want to come back," Connelly said, "but after she saw the election results she just didn't."
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Oh my god......... people like this live in the US...... can someone ship these people to colombia or thailand...... they will like it there......


Gosh........... hey josh...... here are some other people you can leave with
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Old 11-08-04, 10:17 AM
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Hey, I live in the Bay Area!

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Old 11-08-04, 10:55 AM
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Why don't they just wall themselves off and call it a day?
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Outside of the big cities and a few coastal counties, most of California voted for Bush.
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So the town with one of the highest crime rates, the highest unemployment rate, and the highest tax rate is doing this? As if they are an example for anyone to follow...
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Originally posted by DivxGuy
Outside of the big cities and a few coastal counties, most of California voted for Bush.
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Originally posted by DivxGuy
Outside of the big cities and a few coastal counties, most of California voted for Bush.
So basically where all the people are?
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Pretty idiotic. But hey, if this keeps the Hollywood types out of Park City every year for Sundance, I'm all for it!
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"I have family in Idaho, but I told my wife we're not going to visit them now. It's all Republicans there," said Ron Schmidt, a public relations executive. "We have family in Indiana and I don't want to go there either."
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Originally posted by Nazgul
And they wonder why they lost the election.
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I live in San Franfrisko and believe me, I'm ashamed to be here.
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Originally posted by Groucho
Pretty idiotic. But hey, if this keeps the Hollywood types out of Park City every year for Sundance, I'm all for it!
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Originally posted by Myster X
I live in San Franfrisko and believe me, I'm ashamed to be here.
Well, you're obviously a part of this whole thing, just like those people's families in Red states.

Effective immediately, I'm halting all cracker exports to Myster X.

Unless you start a Web site called "Sorry Everybody 2 .com" apologizing for the idiots in SFO. (not a bad idea... wink wink)


Okay, maybe not. I'm a softy.
[gives Myster X a cracker]
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That map is interesting, and points out a Good Thing(tm) about the current EC system. If the EC were based on # of representatives and the district had an EC vote, things would have been a lot more lopsided for Bush.

Giving all of the votes to a state gave an advantage to hte Dems, whos base are the urban population centers. Splitting the EC vote amoung population would be fairer to both parties, while splitting on a congressional district basis would skew for the Reps.

The wisdom of our EC system is so amazing.
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That map is broken out by county, not by congressional districts.
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Why the hell is Cook County Illinois gray? What does that mean?
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Originally posted by nevermind
Why the hell is Cook County Illinois gray? What does that mean?
Most of the voters were dead.

This is pretty normal stuff so I'm not surprised or bothered by it. When you have no expectations for the attitudes of some people they never disappoint you.

There were only a few brave souls here who sported a Bush sticker on thier car. I heard one person in Fairfax got their car keyed and otherwise defaced and other similar idiots got regularly flipped-off and yelled at. I saw at most a total of 5 pro-Bush bumper stickers during the entire campaign.
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Originally posted by nevermind
Why the hell is Cook County Illinois gray? What does that mean?
The previous map I saw had a lot more grey. I'm assuming it just means data isn't available for that area just yet.
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Most of the voters were dead.

ZING!

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Why the hell is Cook County Illinois gray? What does that mean?
i think the pollution from Gary must've blown over it...
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Originally posted by brizz

So where's the loss here??
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