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Old 10-23-04, 02:25 AM
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Originally posted by Ranger
State IDs are hard to get??? WTF! All you need to do is go to your DMV, pay something like $20 (yeah, like OMG, crazy), fill out a form, show your birth certificate and SS card (what? that's wrong too?) and smile for the camera.

The identification triangle: State ID/DL, SS card, and birth certificate.
Give the man a prize. He hit it on the head.

No citizen should ever have to pay to vote. Make IDs free, and we'll move to the next debate.
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Old 10-23-04, 02:32 AM
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This has got to win some award for stereotypical almost racist (not you didn't have to name a race--it's clearly inferred) post of the year.
I refuse to allow political correctness to prevent me from speaking the simple truth. If that makes me a 'racist'...so be it.
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Old 10-23-04, 05:26 AM
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Originally posted by chess
Ladies and gentlemen!

I give you......[drumroll]....the republican party.
Ah... don't make me judge you by a few of your fringe lefties.
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Old 10-23-04, 06:31 AM
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the sad state of politics in America

apparently if you think you should show up at the right place and have an ID that says you are who you say you are then you are branded an evil racist bastard

People in Afghanistan walked days and days to stand in line hours while threatened by Taliban remnants that they'd be targeted for voting...think about that
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Old 10-23-04, 08:07 AM
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Ah... don't make me judge you by a few of your fringe lefties.
And yet there's no problem with Schwarzenegger saying "the Indians are ripping us off"????
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Old 10-23-04, 08:38 AM
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And so it begins:

October 23, 2004

Big G.O.P. Bid to Challenge Voters at Polls in Key State

By MICHAEL MOSS

Republican Party officials in Ohio took formal steps yesterday to place thousands of recruits inside polling places on Election Day to challenge the qualifications of voters they suspect are not eligible to cast ballots.

Party officials say their effort is necessary to guard against fraud arising from aggressive moves by the Democrats to register tens of thousands of new voters in Ohio, seen as one of the most pivotal battlegrounds in the Nov. 2 elections.

Election officials in other swing states, from Arizona to Wisconsin and Florida, say they are bracing for similar efforts by Republicans to challenge new voters at polling places, reflecting months of disputes over voting procedures and the anticipation of an election as close as the one in 2000.

Ohio election officials said they had never seen so large a drive to prepare for Election Day challenges. They said they were scrambling yesterday to be ready for disruptions in the voting process as well as alarm and complaints among voters. Some officials said they worried that the challenges could discourage or even frighten others waiting to vote.

Ohio Democrats were struggling to match the Republicans' move, which had been rumored for weeks. Both parties had until 4 p.m. to register people they had recruited to monitor the election. Republicans said they had enlisted 3,600 by the deadline, many in heavily Democratic urban neighborhoods of Cleveland, Dayton and other cities. Each recruit was to be paid $100.

The Democrats, who tend to benefit more than Republicans from large turnouts, said they had registered more than 2,000 recruits to try to protect legitimate voters rather than weed out ineligible ones.

Republican officials said they had no intention of disrupting voting but were concerned about the possibility of fraud involving thousands of newly registered Democrats.

"The organized left's efforts to, quote unquote, register voters - I call them ringers - have created these problems," said James P. Trakas, a Republican co-chairman in Cuyahoga County.

Both parties have waged huge campaigns in the battleground states to register millions of new voters, and the developments in Ohio provided an early glimpse of how those efforts may play out on Election Day.

Ohio election officials said that by state law, the parties' challengers would have to show "reasonable" justification for doubting the qualifications of a voter before asking a poll worker to question that person. And, the officials said, challenges could be made on four main grounds: whether the voter is a citizen, is at least 18, is a resident of the county and has lived in Ohio for the previous 30 days.

Elections officials in Ohio said they hoped the criteria would minimize the potential for disruption. But Democrats worry that the challenges will inevitably delay the process and frustrate the voters.

"Our concern is Republicans will be challenging in large numbers for the purpose of slowing down voting, because challenging takes a long time,'' said David Sullivan, the voter protection coordinator for the national Democratic Party in Ohio. "And creating long lines causes our people to leave without voting.''

The Republican challenges in Ohio have already begun. Yesterday, party officials submitted a list of about 35,000 registered voters whose mailing addresses, the Republicans said, were questionable. After registering, they said, each of the voters was mailed a notice, and in each case the notice was returned to election officials as undeliverable.

In Cuyahoga County alone, which includes the heavily Democratic neighborhoods of Cleveland, the Republican Party submitted more than 14,000 names of voters for county election officials to scrutinize for possible irregularities. The party said it had registered more than 1,400 people to challenge voters in that county.

Among the main swing states, only Ohio, Florida and Missouri require the parties to register poll watchers before Election Day; elsewhere, party observers can register on the day itself. In several states officials have alerted poll workers to expect a heightened interest by the parties in challenging voters. In some cases, poll workers, many of them elderly, have been given training to deal with any abusive challenging.

Mr. Trakas, the Republican co-chairman in Cuyahoga County, said the recruits would be equipped with lists of voters who the party suspects are not county residents or otherwise qualified to vote.

The recruits will be trained next week, said Mr. Trakas, who added that he had not decided whether to open the training sessions to the public or reporters. Among other things, he said, the recruits will be taught how to challenge mentally disabled voters who are assisted by anyone other than their legal guardians. In previous elections, he said, bus drivers who had taken group-home residents to polling places often helped them vote.

Reno Oradini, the Cuyahoga County election board attorney, said a challenge would in effect create impromptu courts at polling places as workers huddled to resolve a dispute and cause delays in voting. He said he was working with local election officials to find ways of preventing disruptions that could drive away impatient voters and reduce turnout.

State law varies widely on voter challenges. In Colorado, challenged voters can sign an oath that they are indeed qualified to vote; voters found to have lied could be prosecuted, but their votes would still be counted. In Wisconsin, it is the challenger who must sign an oath stating the grounds for a challenge.

"You need personal knowledge," said Kevin J. Kennedy, executive director of the Wisconsin State Elections Board. "You can't say they don't look American or don't speak English."

National election officials said yesterday that Election Day challenging had been done only sporadically by the parties over the years, mainly in highly contested races. In the bitterly contested 2000 presidential election, they said, challenges occurred mainly after Election Day.

The preparations for widespread challenging this year have alarmed some election officials.

"This creates chaos and confusion in the polling site," said R. Doug Lewis, executive director of the Election Center, an international association of election officials. But, he said, "most courts say it's permissible by state law and therefore can't be denied."

In Ohio, Republicans sought to play down any concern that their challenging would be disruptive.

"I suspect there will be challenges," said Robert T. Bennett, chairman of the Ohio Republican Party. "But by and large, people will move through quickly. We want to make sure every eligible voter votes." He added, "99.9 percent will fly right by."

Challengers on both sides said they were uncertain about what to expect. Georgiana Nye, 56, a Dayton real estate broker who was registered by the Republicans as a challenger, said she wanted to help prevent fraud and would accept the $100 for the 13 hours of work and training.

For the Democrats in Dayton, Ronald Magoteaux, 57, a mechanical engineer, said he agreed to be a poll watcher out of concern for new voters. "I think it's sick that these Republicans are up to dirty tricks at the polls," Mr. Magoteaux said. "I believe thousands of votes were lost in 2000, and I want to make sure that doesn't happen in Ohio."

Democrats said they were racing to match the Republicans, precinct by precinct. In some cities, like Dayton, they registered more challengers than the Republicans, election officials said. But in Cuyahoga County, where the Republicans said they had registered 1,436 people to challenge voters, or one in every precinct, Democrats said they had signed up only about 300.

The parties are also preparing to battle over voter qualifications in Florida, where they had until last Tuesday to register challengers. In Fort Myers, Republicans named 100 watchers for the county's 171 precincts, up from 60 in 2000. But Democrats registered 300 watchers in the county, a sixfold increase.
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Old 10-23-04, 08:39 AM
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It's sad that "political correctness" is more important than "honest elections" in this country.
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Old 10-23-04, 11:38 AM
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Originally posted by OldDude
It's sad that "political correctness" is more important than "honest elections" in this country.
I suppose you also think that the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was about political correctness?
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Old 10-23-04, 11:44 AM
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chess what the ***** is wrong with having the proper ID and being in the correct place to vote? there ARE STANDARDS in life...I kow many of you democrats are supposed to be intellectual elites right? don't you want standards? or is it to much to ask?

pathetic state the modern democratic party is in today...pathetic.
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Old 10-23-04, 11:58 AM
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Originally posted by chess
Give the man a prize. He hit it on the head.

No citizen should ever have to pay to vote. Make IDs free, and we'll move to the next debate.
I think even without a state ID, a birth certificate or SS card is an acceptable form of identification along with a voter card. It probably varies by state.
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Old 10-23-04, 12:02 PM
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Originally posted by chess
I suppose you also think that the Voting Rights Act of 1965 was about political correctness?
Nope, no problem with eliminating poll taxes. I'm not sure about literacy tests -- they are actually a good idea, but they need to be fair and equal for all races. The South was abusing that.

The nonsense about not asking for id is just a pile of horsedhit and I disagree adamantly and totally with it. However, it should not be based on a "challenge" system which I ackowledge could be intimidating. It should be 100% compulsary for all voters -- photo id, voter registration. The voter registration should require photo id, proof of residency and citizenship. Registration should require you to state whether you are registered elsewhere, and should automatically cancel the previous registration. Those who don't like the rules shouldn't vote.

That is a much better system than an illegal dictatorship won by the party that can commit the most voter fraud.
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Old 10-23-04, 12:10 PM
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I can't believe someone is actually defending the idea that one should be able to vote without ID. How can you complain and bitch and moan about all the problems that were in Florida (and elsewhere) and then take a position that makes the situation worse.

And no citizen does have to pay to vote. They already need to have ID to register to vote, so this isn't an undue hardship of $5 extra on them. But please, now defend how no one should need ID to register, Mayor Daley...uh, I mean....anyone?
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Old 10-23-04, 12:22 PM
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Originally posted by chess
Give the man a prize. He hit it on the head.

No citizen should ever have to pay to vote. Make IDs free, and we'll move to the next debate.
SS cards are free.
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Old 10-23-04, 12:40 PM
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$5 on an ID card is too much.
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Old 10-23-04, 12:45 PM
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In NYC, probably the most democratic city there is it is a requirement to show an ID before you vote and to do it at your proper polling place.

the rules are only different in places where the votes matter
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Old 10-23-04, 12:52 PM
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In NYC, probably the most democratic city there is it is a requirement to show an ID before you vote and to do it at your proper polling place.
Those racist bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 10-23-04, 12:54 PM
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maybe if we had a national id card this wouldnt be a problem
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Old 10-23-04, 12:58 PM
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I do agree with chess that there is a slight problem if the state's require an id card that costs the people money. if they require something like SS card which is free its not a big problem, although its not a photo id.

Maybe the states can offer a photo id card for free
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maybe if we had a national id card this wouldnt be a problem
heh! It'll be a problem for the Democrats. See, most illegal immigrants and largely Hispanic population, vote Democrat.
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Old 10-23-04, 01:11 PM
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You have to show ID to vote in VA. I see absolutely no problem with this rqmt.
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Old 10-23-04, 01:13 PM
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Free ID cards? Is the state making a profit on ID cards? I don't think so. What they charge is a reasonable amount to produce the IDs, pay the employees, and maintain a database. It costs what? $20 for an ID that lasts 5+ years? Yeah, that's a real poll tax.
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Old 10-23-04, 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by Red Dog
You have to show ID to vote in VA. I see absolutely no problem with this rqmt.
It's racist.

If you can't vote without showing any sort of ID, you are discriminating against black people and those entitled to more than one vote becuase they <i>really really</i> hate a particular candidate.
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Old 10-23-04, 01:27 PM
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Free ID cards? Is the state making a profit on ID cards? I don't think so. What they charge is a reasonable amount to produce the IDs, pay the employees, and maintain a database. It costs what? $20 for an ID that lasts 5+ years? Yeah, that's a real poll tax.
$10 in GA, cheaper if you're a organ donor. I believe they last 4 years
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Old 10-23-04, 01:28 PM
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It's racist.

If you can't vote without showing any sort of ID, you are discriminating against black people and those entitled to more than one vote becuase they <i>really really</i> hate a particular candidate.
what about us brown people? is it racist towards us too?
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Old 10-23-04, 01:36 PM
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Wisconsin $9
New York $9-$10 for 4-5 years $13-$14 for 8-9 years
Alaska $15, free over 60
Ohio $8.50
Florida $3
Pennsylvania $10
Illinois $5 before 1/1/05, $20 after. Free over 65
California $20

I'm not going to keep doing this, I just wanted to check a few states.

$3 in Florida. $3.

The fucking nerve of them to cover the costs

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