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Old 11-06-13, 07:30 AM
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Re: Biggest Loser 2013 - Health and Nutrition edition

That is interesting. I know a woman who runs 10-13 miles per day. She is not "fit" or "thin". I always wondered why someone who runs so much is not fit.
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Re: Biggest Loser 2013 - Health and Nutrition edition

You can be fit, and be a little bit overweight. If you run that much you are probably fit.

And yeah, running, specially training for a full marathon won't help you lose weight, you will get fit though, if you train well.

And if you want to lose weight and run, as it has been mentioned here several times, you have to count your calories, eat better. Friends that know that I run, always ask me about it, because they want to lose weight. My answer is always the same: it won't help you if you don't eat better.

Oh and yeah, there are different kind of training exercises when running, so you don't reach a plateau. Speed works, tempo runs, fartleks, etc. If you only want to lose weight don't run more than 1 hour.

In a personal note, I lost 10 pounds and last month was finally able to beat my PR in a half marathon. First half marathon under 2 hours. I've been running, more or less, for 10 years, and was always between 2 and 2:10.
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And if you want to lose weight and run, as it has been mentioned here several times, you have to count your calories, eat better. Friends that know that I run, always ask me about it, because they want to lose weight. My answer is always the same: it won't help you if you don't eat better.
10 years, and was always between 2 and 2:10.
I agree with you completely on this. Like you said, it's been mentioned several times over the course of this thread.

Congrats on your run time! Do you run full marathons?
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Yeah, that's very true about running. But I don't run to lose weight (though it does help to maintain weight, and not increase it), I run to help maintain better health, specifically, better cardiovascular and respiratory health. The more regularly I run, the better boners I have, Cialis be damned!
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I don't really think there's anything magical about running. You'll see the same thing with cyclists - or at least people who almost exclusively bike. Many have very little muscle and are sometimes either skinny fat or just plain fat. Once I noticed that I always made sure to do more strength training than cardio. I've definitely had better all-around results with a combination than with pure cardio.

I guess I shouldn't say they have very little muscle, just very little muscle that's not directly related to their sport of choice - so no upper body muscle.
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I don't really think there's anything magical about running. You'll see the same thing with cyclists - or at least people who almost exclusively bike. Many have very little muscle and are sometimes either skinny fat or just plain fat. Once I noticed that I always made sure to do more strength training than cardio. I've definitely had better all-around results with a combination than with pure cardio.

I guess I shouldn't say they have very little muscle, just very little muscle that's not directly related to their sport of choice - so no upper body muscle.
I mentioned a bit back, there is a "recent" trend for even hard core runners to add weight training. If you watched the Boston or NYC marathon women's front runners, they did not get those abs and arms by running alone.

While I haven't been as focused on weights as I have been in the past. I'm getting back to and always some at least 2 days a week.

The oppsite is also true. I've seen dedicated lifters take up running.

I agree there is nothing magical about running. However, I will say, having high impact is not a bad thing (assuming you don't have medical issues). Also, running is probably the the calorie burning kink. But other cardio can get close.

But, ill repeat what I always say "the best exercise is the one you do, and the one you do consistently"
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Originally Posted by Raul3 View Post
And if you want to lose weight and run, as it has been mentioned here several times, you have to count your calories, eat better. Friends that know that I run, always ask me about it, because they want to lose weight. My answer is always the same: it won't help you if you don't eat better.
I echo this as well. After almost a year of doing 2-3 miles a day, 3 or so days per week, I finally decided switch things up and start the Insanity program in June. The running took a backseat for awhile and I started to follow a modified diet plan. The first six weeks I was brutally tired from the workouts and didn't lose a pound, but kept the good eating habits. The second month was where all the effort paid off. I ended the summer about 10 pounds lighter than when I started, much more toned, and now I found the running came much easier. Now, with my kids back in school, I am doing Insanity 2-3 days a week and running 1-2 days, depending on what's going on. The most important thing I'm not slacking off with is the diet.
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The best "cardio" is swimming, then bike, and finally running.

But not all people know how to swim or use a bike. Or don't have easy access to a pool or a bike. And can be more expensive.

Almost anyone can try running, and it can be cheaper, but it's a good idea to spend some money in a good pair of shoes and some clothes. But basically that's why running is "popular".

But yeah, set up a goal before starting anything. And keep changing/moving that goal so you keep motivated.
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That is interesting. I know a woman who runs 10-13 miles per day. She is not "fit" or "thin". I always wondered why someone who runs so much is not fit.
Size is not an indication of fitness level. I'm 5'10 and about 183 right now. Adrian Petterson is 5'10" and goes about 220. Guess who is more fit?

I've mentioned many times that I can make a good arguement that the couch potato who is 10-20 lbs over weight would do more for his health by taking up regular exercise than by losing the 10-20 lbs. Course no reason couldn't do both.
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Well, let me clarify that I understand that about being "fit". Sometimes a 200 lb plus person who's very active can do a lot more athletically than a 160lb person. So I in no way am down playing what being fit means.
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Any recommendations for an inexpensive (less than $100) GPS watch?

I'm about to ditch my fuel band and want something else to play with.

Most important to me is quick GPS pick up and GPS accuracy. Don't need for biking or swimming. Or any fancy features. Just an easy to read screen that shows distance, current pace and average pace. At this point I'm not even sure I need any sort of uploading since I still plan on using my Nike+ GPS on my phone.
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Very sore today,

Tuesday I did a 4.25 easy run
Wednesday did a 2.25 pace run + weights that included Roman Dead lift
This morning I did 6 mile easy run

Legs sore. And been a while since this sore. I won't run tomorrow, but will do elliptical instead. That and some weights, but more focus on upper body.
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I use the app MapMyRun to GPS all my runs. I love it. It does give you the pace and maps the distance.
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Re: Biggest Loser 2013 - Health and Nutrition edition

Originally Posted by GoVegan View Post
I don't really think there's anything magical about running. You'll see the same thing with cyclists - or at least people who almost exclusively bike. Many have very little muscle and are sometimes either skinny fat or just plain fat. Once I noticed that I always made sure to do more strength training than cardio. I've definitely had better all-around results with a combination than with pure cardio.

I guess I shouldn't say they have very little muscle, just very little muscle that's not directly related to their sport of choice - so no upper body muscle.
The bicycling thing is really interesting. I would say that my increasing my cycling probably contributed a little to my weight loss, but more than that, my weight loss contributed significantly to my ability to bike farther and faster, and, in particular, to climb hills.

But what's really striking to me is how many much more 'capable' cyclists - in the sense they can ride much longer distances with ease - are, in the most basic sense of the term, overweight. I'm talking 60-year-old guys who are 5'9" and weigh 200 lbs. Yet, a 90 mile bike ride? No problem!
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Originally Posted by Sdallnct View Post
Very sore today,

Tuesday I did a 4.25 easy run
Wednesday did a 2.25 pace run + weights that included Roman Dead lift
This morning I did 6 mile easy run

Legs sore. And been a while since this sore. I won't run tomorrow, but will do elliptical instead. That and some weights, but more focus on upper body.
What's 4.25 or a 2.25 pace actually mean? Is this some sort of machine setting?
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What's 4.25 or a 2.25 pace actually mean? Is this some sort of machine setting?
I've changed things up after being in a rut for a bit and it seems to have helped. I use to run every run at the same pace (speed) And distance. But after reading a couple articles I've changed things up,

About 70-75% of my runs including the 4.25 mile run I mention above are slower or "easy" runs. Less effort. For me, I go about 90 seconds per mile slower than my 5k race pace. But I go slightly longer (4 miles instead of three).

I also do one long run per week at this pace. Longest so far is 8.25 miles.

I also do one shorter run (the 2.25 mile above) close to my 5k race pace.

So a typical week for me might look like,

Monday, 4-4.5 easy
Tuesday 1 easy + 30-35 min weights
Wednesday 2-2.5 race pace + 10-15 min weights
Thursday 4-4.5 easy
Friday no running (elliptical) 1 mile + 30-35 min weights
Saturday long easy run 7 miles+
Sunday bike or elliptical + stretching, and maybe some core

Note, I usually take a day off somewhere in there so working out 6 days a week, running about 18-22 miles per week.

Should be working in some intervals or hills, but working on it. Here is one guide that sort of subscribes to this,

http://www.goodrunguide.co.uk/TrainingGuide.asp

I don't go exactly by this as it says my easy runs should be even slower. But I use the general idea. Except I'm trying to lengthen my long runs over time. By pushing and building a base at longer distances on my long run. And occasionally adding a bit longer run during the week. Sort of like this,

http://www.marathonrookie.com/half-m...-training.html

I really don't want to spend more than an hour at the gym. The only day I do is on my long run days.

I'm really getting interested in doing a 1/2 Marathon in Feb/March for my bday. Half marathon for turning half century....lol
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Haven't posted in this topic for ages. And, it's too long to read anything above.

Long story short, I ran my first marathon in April and injured my knees. I went from around 150lbs to a current 171lbs. My knees have been perfectly fine for about 2 months now and I've lengths up to 15 miles. The problem is that I haven't been able to drop any of my injury weight. For those who may remember a few years ago I went from 204lbs to around 150 in the space of 6 months, so I thought I knew something about dropping weight.

I've been running and eating pretty much the same as I had previously. So, about a month ago I decided that a diet change may be necessary. So, I dropped ALL sugar from my diet. This is day 27 of ingesting absolutely no sugar (I wasn't digesting a ton of sugar beforehand, just the normal stuff with sugar in it). My weight has stayed exactly the same. Today is now the first day I am eliminating all carbs from my diet.

I'll try to keep you guys updated as I progress.
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About 70-75% of my runs including the 4.25 mile run I mention above
Nah, you mentioned a 2.25 pace when you really meant distance. That's what threw me. I'm with you now.

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I've been running and eating pretty much the same as I had previously. So, about a month ago I decided that a diet change may be necessary. So, I dropped ALL sugar from my diet. This is day 27 of ingesting absolutely no sugar (I wasn't digesting a ton of sugar beforehand, just the normal stuff with sugar in it). My weight has stayed exactly the same. Today is now the first day I am eliminating all carbs from my diet.

I'll try to keep you guys updated as I progress.
Wow. The body needs carbs as it needs fast-burning fuel.

Who advised you to eliminate carbs?
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Wow. The body needs carbs as it needs fast-burning fuel.

Who advised you to eliminate carbs?
My brain.

However, my brain also leads me to believe that Michael Bay is the greatest person to have ever been born.
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Haven't posted in this topic for ages. And, it's too long to read anything above.

Long story short, I ran my first marathon in April and injured my knees. I went from around 150lbs to a current 171lbs. My knees have been perfectly fine for about 2 months now and I've lengths up to 15 miles. The problem is that I haven't been able to drop any of my injury weight. For those who may remember a few years ago I went from 204lbs to around 150 in the space of 6 months, so I thought I knew something about dropping weight.

I've been running and eating pretty much the same as I had previously. So, about a month ago I decided that a diet change may be necessary. So, I dropped ALL sugar from my diet. This is day 27 of ingesting absolutely no sugar (I wasn't digesting a ton of sugar beforehand, just the normal stuff with sugar in it). My weight has stayed exactly the same. Today is now the first day I am eliminating all carbs from my diet.

I'll try to keep you guys updated as I progress.
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Wow. The body needs carbs as it needs fast-burning fuel.

Who advised you to eliminate carbs?
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My brain.

However, my brain also leads me to believe that Michael Bay is the greatest person to have ever been born.
Well, I never recommend elliminating anything. While I certainly would limit sugar and other "bad" things, I'm not sure the benefit of trying to elliminate these. In fact could argue that it might hurt you. If you for example say "I'm never having sugar" that means, basically no sweets or deserts (I know fruit can be a desert). But this might put you in a negative mind set and be difficult to maintain. It's almost human nature to want what we can't have.

I always get blasted when I say this, but will anyway by far the number one factor in losing (or gaining) weight is calories. If you want to lose weight you MUST burn more calories then you consume. It really is that simple. It by and large wont make a difference what those calories are. Yes, you should eat healthy, and perhaps more protein will add a tinny bit to your metabolism. But your not going to be able to reverse the fact you have to have a calorie deficit to lose weight. Period.

So if you not doing it, track your calories and see where you are at compared to what your body burns just living (plenty of charts and calculators around). Add in the calories you burn in exercise and you are set to go. Many free smart phone apps do all the work for you.

Again, I'm just talking weight loss, not overall health. I agree that I can lose weight eating nothing but ice cream and Oreos. But that is not healthy (and likely not maintainable). So YES, for health the calories matter. As well for having energy for running and workouts. So limit sugar. Eat clean. Get in as much protein as you can (whey powder is literally the only supplement I use-not saying you should, but I find it difficult to get the protein I want on a calorie deficit diet).

Also from a workout standpoint, mix in weight training with your running. Not only will it aid in weight loss, but will make you a better, stronger runner.
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I always get blasted when I say this, but will anyway by far the number one factor in losing (or gaining) weight is calories. If you want to lose weight you MUST burn more calories then you consume.
I'm not sure why you get blasted for that ... because you're completely right.
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If you're going to do a significant amount of cardiovascular exercise, having a decent amount of carbs 2 to 3 days previous isn't a bad idea, aka "carbo loading".
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I ran 9.30 miles today. My new distance PB. My legs were pretty sore immediately when I stopped, but otherwise I was/am good. My breathing was perhaps the best I've ever had on any run. Relaxed, regular. I never felt like I had to stop for cario reasons. At a little over 8 I could feel my legs getting sore. 9.25 was my goal (up one mile from previous best). I went 9.30 so I could feel like I ran 3 5k races, which I did! Ha.

I thought about pushing for 10. I probably could have, but didn't want to be totally dead on feet, and I feel like I'm still building a base for these distances over 5 miles. So, saw no reason to push.

As for carbo loading, I had three really good, big strong beers last night. I'm sure that is why my run was good . I tease. I agree, your body needs the carbs (but I did have the beer last night....)
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So day 3 of no carbs went terribly.

I run to work (3.5 miles) and there's a pretty significant hill at about the 2 1/4 mile marker that never gives me any trouble. Today was not the case. I had no energy to get up the hill. Not only that, but when I got to work I felt incredibly bland, could barely concentrate or focus on much of anything. I immediately went for the Cheez-Its and had a fatty Chipotle burrito for lunch. I'm going to take a couple of days off from the no carb diet. But, I'm thinking once I recover from my experiment I might do no carbs every other day or something.

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