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Fitness Talk: Bulking up and losing stomach fat?

Old 04-04-10, 08:52 PM
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Old 04-04-10, 08:58 PM
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Re: Fitness Talk: Bulking up and losing stomach fat?

This. And while we labeled it "Biggest Loser" it is a general fitness thread. We discuss a lot of weight loss, but also gaining, muscle, food, supplements, etc.
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Old 04-05-10, 02:52 PM
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Looks like a beer belly to me. Are you lying down in this pic?
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I'll add to all the different advice you're getting! I imagine there are different ways to go about the changes you want, but I would ignore the people who are telling you to avoid carbs. I'm currently in the process of cutting the fat that I gained from bulking up a bit. I started just over a year ago, and all the while my diet has been 60% carbs, 20% protein and 20% fat. I've been eating anywhere from 2,100 calories/day to 3,800 calories/day at various points. You do need to be eating every few hours, but it's not just eating whatever you can find if you want to gain muscle while minimizing fat gain. When you're gaining muscle, you will also gain fat because you need to eat a lot in order to fuel your body. The closer you can stick to some kind of regular diet, the less extra fat you'll put on.

You need to find out how many calories you burn on a regular basis and go from there. Like has been mentioned, once you put on some extra muscle, burning the fat back off will be a little easier.

I'm 5'11" and I started at about 165 lbs. with 17% body fat. The first few months I focused on losing the extra fat and I got down to 155 lbs. with 9.5% body fat. Then I switched to adding muscle. It took many months, but I got up to 187 lbs. with about 14.5% body fat. I'm currently at around 175 with 13%, trying to get down to 10%. No one would mistake me for a body builder by any means so unless you are really hardcore, you're not going to need to worry about that!
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Old 04-05-10, 08:57 PM
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Originally Posted by taffer View Post
Why is everyone saying to avoid carbs? You guys do know there is a difference between complex and simple carbs, right? Complex carbs you do want to eat. In fact, complex carbs are supposed to be your biggest food group. Whole wheat, oatmeal, rice (brown is better than white), etc are complex carbs you want to be eating, not avoiding.
You don't need carbs. At least not those from brown rice and whole wheat.

But they're certainly better than white rice and mashed potatoes.


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I'm kinda sorta in the same boat as mhg83, but I don't really have any fat on me - I'm about 5'10", 155, and have a very athletic and pretty toned physique, I just want to add 10-15 pounds, bulk up a bit...should I be eating fewer carbs? I eat a ton of them...big bowl of oatmeal with raisins in the morning, and usually 3-4 slices of 100% whole wheat, no HFCS bread during the day. And then often pasta (just the regular Creamette brand or whatever) or rice (brown).

I'm also drinking plenty of milk, eating a lot of PB and eggs, and probably 8 ounces or so of chicken or leaner beef a day.

What amounts should I be eating? Also try to drink a ton of water, and all the veggies and fruits possible.
How do you have room for all those fruits and veggies when you're eating all these carbs?
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You don't need carbs. At least not those from brown rice and whole wheat.

But they're certainly better than white rice and mashed potatoes.

So you are contradicting the USDA and its food pyramid, which says that you do need carbs. Whole grains are the largest section of the food pyramid. Veggies and fruits are second. Meat and dairy third.
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We dont trust the government with anything else, why would we trust their food pyramid? I think its important to seperate carbs and grains. Not saying not to eat carbs (or grains for that matter). My point is that you dont need to get your carbs from grains. You can get them (and fiber as well) from fruits and veggies.
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So you are contradicting the USDA and its food pyramid, which says that you do need carbs. Whole grains are the largest section of the food pyramid. Veggies and fruits are second. Meat and dairy third.
I do. I'd say you need more vegetables and less grains. I don't know why it changed 10 years ago or so. It shouldn't have.
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I assume that has something to do with it. I'd argue that most of the things on that list aren't needed by humans. It's mostly feed grains. I think the food pyramid would be 2/3 beef and 1/3 corn if they could find a few doctors to sign off on it.
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Going way off topic (but really, this thread should be merged into biggest loser - there's no need for it. Maybe this question will get it closed )...

Why does the US still subsidize tobacco?
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Old 04-06-10, 12:11 PM
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I assume that has something to do with it. I'd argue that most of the things on that list aren't needed by humans. It's mostly feed grains. I think the food pyramid would be 2/3 beef and 1/3 corn if they could find a few doctors to sign off on it.
Because there are so many subsidies specifically for beef farmers, right?
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I didn't intend to start an argument in this thread, and I'm admittedly not an expert on farming, but yes, it seems that beef farmers benefit from a fair amount of subsidies.

The Bureau of Land Management currently charges $1.35/animal/month for grazing on public lands:

http://www.blm.gov/wo/st/en/prog/grazing.html

And aside from the previously noted feed grain subsidies, they also receive significant savings on water.

I was just trying to agree that the government isn't exactly to be trusted when it comes to the food pyramid, though. I would argue that grains, while not particularly unhealthy, don't add much of value from a nutritional standpoint.
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I was just trying to agree that the government isn't exactly to be trusted when it comes to the food pyramid, though.
I'll definitely agree there.
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Re: Fitness Talk: Bulking up and losing stomach fat?

I'm just curious as to how tall you are(op). 145 and a gut that big?

anyway I'm about 200 and 5'11" and would like to lose about 15-20 pounds.
Starting back at the gym tomorrow.
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A corn subsidy is a beef subsidy. And all the corn comes from fertilizer, which is oil.
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A corn subsidy is a beef subsidy. And all the corn comes from fertilizer, which is oil.
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I'm currently reading "The Omnivore's Dilemma" and that about sums up what I've read so far.
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I'm currently reading "The Omnivore's Dilemma" and that about sums up what I've read so far.
Here, I'll save you a few hours:

- All the food we eat is corn
- Farmers were smarter a hundred years ago when they understood the land and weren't crippled by loans and chasing volume
- Mushrooms can make you a living





(I kid, the book is decent)
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Yeah I like Pollan, and think his books are pretty good, but I think sometimes he's a little too out there for me... And his recommendations for meat are way too low.
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Old 04-07-10, 09:33 PM
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I'm just curious as to how tall you are(op). 145 and a gut that big?

anyway I'm about 200 and 5'11" and would like to lose about 15-20 pounds.
Starting back at the gym tomorrow.
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I'm short. About five feet five inches
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