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Old 03-03-08, 04:48 PM
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YAST: 2 dead (including gunman) + 5 injured at Wendy's shooting

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080303/...ting&printer=1

Fireman, gunman dead in Wendy's shooting

By BRIAN SKOLOFF, Associated Press Writer 10 minutes ago

A gunman wearing a jacket and tie wordlessly and randomly opened fire inside a Wendy's during the lunchtime rush Monday, killing a firefighter who'd gone back to fetch a missing meal toy for his child and wounding five others. He then turned the gun on himself.

"This was not a robbery. He didn't demand anything," said Paul Miller, a Palm Beach County sheriff's spokesman. "Looks like this was just another random shooting like we've seen around the United States."

The 42-year-old victim, a Palm Beach County Fire-Rescue lieutenant who was not in uniform, had met his wife and child at the restaurant, Deputy Fire-Rescue Chief Steve Delai said. The family had gotten their food and walked out, but the man returned because the free toy was missing from the kids' meal, he said.

The lieutenant, who had been promoted in January and was on his break from new officers' training at a building down the street, was shot in the back as he stood at the counter, Delai said.

"Our officer probably didn't even see him," Delai said, adding that the man's wife and child were still in the parking when the shooting broke out.

Three of the survivors were critically wounded, but all had improved and were hospitalized in stable condition Monday evening, Miller said. They included a 43-year-old man, a 16-year-old girl, a 65-year-old man and his 62-year-old wife. One person was injured while running away.

Motorists at the drive-thru window also fled, some leaving their vehicles running. Several people were carried from the restaurant on stretchers. Authorities did not identify the shooter or the other victims.

"I just saw a lady with a little boy in her arms come running out screaming, 'Somebody's shooting!'" said Sandra Jackson, who had been getting gas across the street. The woman said her husband was still inside, said Jackson, 43, of Palm Springs.

The mayhem unfolded just after noon during the lunch hour rush at the eatery on a major suburban road lined with strip malls, car dealerships and fast food restaurants, about five miles from downtown West Palm Beach. A billboard advertising an upcoming gun show stands just behind the Wendy's.

The shooter entered the restaurant and went to a restroom before coming out brandishing what appeared to be a 9 mm handgun, Miller said. About 10 to 15 people were believed to be in the restaurant at the time, he said.

Ashley Milton, 28, said she had just opened the door to get lunch when she heard the "pop pop" of gunfire and saw people running.

"I really didn't think that's what it was. I thought this can't be happening," she said. "You see your life flash before your eyes."

Josh Maynard, 30, said he and his 20-year-old brother Jerry hit the floor when the well-dressed gunman opened fire. Jerry Maynard said the shooter held his gun sideways and said nothing.

The gunman went to the counter, Miller said, shooting a customer before slowly turning to his left and firing on others before shooting himself.

One customer kicked the pistol away from the gunman after he'd shot himself, then started first aid on the wounded, Miller said.

When the shooting stopped, the Maynard brothers ran out of the restaurant. Josh Maynard's blue jeans were torn and his brown leather boots were sliced, damage he said was caused by a bullet that grazed him as he lay on the floor.

"It felt like somebody kicked me in the foot," he said.

Bob Bertini, a Wendy's Inc. spokesman based in Dublin, Ohio, called the shooting "a senseless tragedy."
Pretty sad about the fireman.

Maybe we should have a sticky shooting thread as a catch-all....
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Old 03-03-08, 05:15 PM
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Pretty sad about the fireman.

Maybe we should have a sticky shooting thread as a catch-all....
Even worse that if they hadn't stiffed him on the toy, he'd probably still be alive...
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Wow. I just don't get it. Why take others out with you? WTF?
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Originally Posted by Kittydreamer
Wow. I just don't get it. Why take others out with you? WTF?
If you have no regard for life, why not? At least they'll get their 15 minutes that way. I imagine that's the way most of them think.
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If you have no regard for life, why not? At least they'll get their 15 minutes that way. I imagine that's the way most of them think.
With suicides outnumbering homicides in this country, I'm actually surprised this sort of thing doesn't happen more often (i.e. "taking someone with you"), and when it does happen, I'm surprised that the death toll isn't higher (as in this case-- one person dead other than the gunman).

And that sucks about him being a dad and going back in to get the toy (I've done that. Every parent has at one point).
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Originally Posted by Numanoid
If you have no regard for life, why not? At least they'll get their 15 minutes that way. I imagine that's the way most of them think.
Agreed. Now the media will run with his entire life story, why he was so upset, and how society failed him..

Well at least that's what they do sometimes.
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Why can't they take out some crooked politicians or ex-Enron execs or something?
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I wish there was a way to figure out who these pieces of shit were ahead of time so that we could do a periodic cleansing and prevent this stuff.
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Old 03-03-08, 06:54 PM
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Very sad news. For once the media shouldn't glorify the shooter with a life story piece and what may have drove him to do this horrible thing.
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If only Wendy's were gun free zones this could have all been prevented
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If only Wendy's were gun free zones this could have all been prevented
This is a senseless tragedy. Do you think the outcome would have been different if the whole restaurant was packing? Because I pretty much guarantee that firefighter would still be dead.

That's a terrible story. I cannot imagine what his family is going through, knowing that if he hadn't gone back he'd be alive. So innocuous.
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Originally Posted by John Galt
If only Wendy's were gun free zones this could have all been prevented


Originally Posted by Draven
Do you think the outcome would have been different if the whole restaurant was packing?
All it takes is ONE person in the restaurant with a CWP to prevent or stop something like this.

Let's blame the guns and not the nutjob pulling the trigger
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^Having a CCP doesn't give one the ability to read minds. Unless someone was right behind him, he could easily get 6 shots off before someone could interact.
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All it takes is ONE person in the restaurant with a CWP to prevent or stop something like this.

Let's blame the guns and not the nutjob pulling the trigger
Where did I blame guns?

A guy walks in, pulls a gun and shoots someone in the back. You think that would have gone any differently if people were armed?
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A guy walks in, pulls a gun and shoots someone in the back. You think that would have gone any differently if people were armed?
It appears that one of the first shots (perhaps the very first shot) fired by the gunman was the fatal shot. I don't think there's any realistic way that the victim's death could've been prevented, whether any patrons were carrying or not.
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Maybe the thread title would read...YAST: 2 dead (including guman) NO ONE INJURED

And who the hell knows, maybe, just maybe, the fireman or ANYBODY might have had time to respond the minute they saw the fuck pull his firearm. You never know.
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And maybe, just maybe........a third person mistakens the armed samaritan for a psycho and shoots him by mistake.
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And maybe, just maybe........a third person mistakens the armed samaritan for a psycho and shoots him by mistake.
And maybe, just maybe...... everyone in the restaurant starts acting the same way. They could all be packing and before you know it, it becomes a domino's game. Hilarity ensues! Everyone shoots the person in front who just shot a person. Last one standing wins!
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Maybe the thread title would read...YAST: 2 dead (including guman) NO ONE INJURED

And who the hell knows, maybe, just maybe, the fireman or ANYBODY might have had time to respond the minute they saw the fuck pull his firearm. You never know.
It takes less than 2 seconds to fire off 6 rounds (I'm not counting the bullet that the douchebag used on himself). Do you really think that someone could process what was happening, pull their weapon, get in position, and fire a take down shot on the guy in that amount of time?
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Or the gunman could be wounded, and the son of a bitch would have to live and stand trial. *shrug*

This shit it getting out of hand though.
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It takes less than 2 seconds to fire off 6 rounds (I'm not counting the bullet that the douchebag used on himself). Do you really think that someone could process what was happening, pull their weapon, get in position, and fire a take down shot on the guy in that amount of time?
The shooter entered the restaurant and went to a restroom before coming out brandishing what appeared to be a 9 mm handgun, Miller said. About 10 to 15 people were believed to be in the restaurant at the time, he said.
Nobody saw this guy emerge from the can carrying a gun? Somebody had too, it "appeared" to be a handgun, and NOBODY reacted? This is being presented as if it were wham, bam, thank ya ma'am.

How long before we have armed security everywhere?
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Well if someone had seen him and they were carrying, then they might have done something. It's not like Wendy's forbids people from carrying in their restaurants. Even if someone in this situation did have a gun on them, most people are more concerned with self preservation of themselves and their families and might not have intervened until the gun was pointed at them. I'm all for CCP's, but to say that situations like this can be completely avoided if someone in the restaurant were packing is just ridiculous.
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Not only that, but even if someone's carrying, they're sitting down in Wendy's eating lunch, maybe chatting with friends or family. I don't know about anyone else, but when I'm eating, I'm more concerned with the act of eating and paying attention to my family or the people I'm with than observing middle-aged men emerging from the restroom. It's really not the first place I'm going to be looking. In fact, I'd probably purposefully be looking anywhere else.

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